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[giannis and 1]

Gianis in his late 30's will still be a top 10-15 player. Neither Middleton or Jrue is that today

Giannis will not be a top 10-15 player in his late 30s. You can take that to the bank.

You might end up being right, but i'm not going to put Giannis in a box. His doubters, and haters are starting to say he's already peaked. I disagree with that. Just because his numbers might be a little down, or he's struggling in a certain area doesn't mean he's done ascending.
I'm sure you can take any player in the NBA, or any sport's history, and take a snapshot of a down year(s) and find that they still ascended again after that decline. It's only natural with all the changes this year (pandemic) no fans etc..., and the crazy ascent he's been on since he 's gotten in the league that he's going to have some kind of decline at some point, but it doesn't preclude him from regrouping and ascending again.
Giannis will be a better shooter than he is now in every way as he matures (and you can take that to the bank!) Most of his problems are mental and he'll figure it out. He just turned 26. Lebron didn't have everything figured out. mj didn't have one championship.

Yup. He has a massive amount of learning to do, and based on how ridiculously committed and hardworking he is, he will untap a lot of his "potential".

Like... Lebron is arguably at his peak at the age of 36, when he is much less athletic than he was from 19-28.

[jute2003]

Giannis is the only guy between himself, Middleton and Jrue that I would worry about paying into his 30s.

Gianis in his late 30's will still be a top 10-15 player. Neither Middleton or Jrue is that today

Giannis will not be a top 10-15 player in his late 30s. You can take that to the bank.

I think it is more likely that he is retired by 36. He is 100% physical freak and effort. That is what makes him good. In 10 years, chances are at least half of that will be gone.

[giannis and 1]

Gianis in his late 30's will still be a top 10-15 player. Neither Middleton or Jrue is that today

Giannis will not be a top 10-15 player in his late 30s. You can take that to the bank.

I think it is more likely that he is retired by 36. He is 100% physical freak and effort. That is what makes him good. In 10 years, chances are at least half of that will be gone.

If he lost half his athleticism, he would still be more athletic than like 70% of the league. And he would still be a 7 footer built like a demon.

[jute2003]

Giannis will not be a top 10-15 player in his late 30s. You can take that to the bank.

I think it is more likely that he is retired by 36. He is 100% physical freak and effort. That is what makes him good. In 10 years, chances are at least half of that will be gone.

If he lost half his athleticism, he would still be more athletic than like 70% of the league. And he would still be a 7 footer built like a demon.

So then he is current dwight Howard with more passing ability.

I dont actually think he'll be retired but I really really doubt he'll still be a top 10 player.

[giannis and 1]

I think it is more likely that he is retired by 36. He is 100% physical freak and effort. That is what makes him good. In 10 years, chances are at least half of that will be gone.

If he lost half his athleticism, he would still be more athletic than like 70% of the league. And he would still be a 7 footer built like a demon.

So then he is current dwight Howard with more passing ability.

I dont actually think he'll be retired but I really really doubt he'll still be a top 10 player.

You are ignoring the fact that he will likely increase his bbiq and shooting ability.

[jute2003]

If he lost half his athleticism, he would still be more athletic than like 70% of the league. And he would still be a 7 footer built like a demon.

So then he is current dwight Howard with more passing ability.

I dont actually think he'll be retired but I really really doubt he'll still be a top 10 player.

You are ignoring the fact that he will likely increase his bbiq and shooting ability.

Is it likely?

[giannis and 1]

So then he is current dwight Howard with more passing ability.

I dont actually think he'll be retired but I really really doubt he'll still be a top 10 player.

You are ignoring the fact that he will likely increase his bbiq and shooting ability.

Is it likely?

That he improves in those areas? Yes, very likely.

How much he improves is the question.

[skones]

Gianis in his late 30's will still be a top 10-15 player. Neither Middleton or Jrue is that today

Giannis will not be a top 10-15 player in his late 30s. You can take that to the bank.

Giannis will be a better shooter than he is now in every way as he matures (and you can take that to the bank!) Most of his problems are mental and he'll figure it out. He just turned 26. Lebron didn't have everything figured out. mj didn't have one championship.

I don't know why people say things like that when the precedent has been set. We're in year 8. The shooting, the mental stuff, it hasn't been figured out. We haven't seen noticeable gains in either area over the years, but it's maintained that he'll "figure it out." 25.7, 27.2, 30.7, 25.6, 30.4, 28.7. Are these percentages indicative of an improving shooter? His free throw percentages? Was watching him try to force his will against Miami when it clearly wasn't working indicative of him figuring out things or an improving BBIQ?

Giannis is a great player, he does certain things at a historic level, but he's not Lebron and he's not MJ. Both had far superior IQs and overall skillsets at the same stage. Giannis uses his effort level and physicality to impose his will on the game. Russell Westbrook was the same type of player and he looks absolutely done in a really sudden way at 32. Now, you may say, Russell Westbrook is shorter, it's more difficult for a shorter guy as athleticism leaves. I won't disagree. What I also want to point out is that Giannis, at 26 years old, has had a history of problems with knee tendonitis, and I think the potential there is high for it to ultimately limit his longevity in this league. When Giannis isn't getting downhill and bouldering into the lane, what the hell skillset does he have to fall back on? He doesn't have any refined skills at this juncture that help him there. In fact, I'm not sure he even has a skill set that's up to snuff FOR refinement as that athleticism begins to deteriorate. He still needs to reach that, and at 26? Ehhhhhhh. I'm not entirely optimistic.

[skones]

You are ignoring the fact that he will likely increase his bbiq and shooting ability.

Tell me about his shooting ability progress during seasons 1 through 8. It's pretty difficult to tell someone they are "ignoring the fact" when you're actively ignoring the lack of progress made, as if progress naturally begins after season 8.

[giannis and 1]

You are ignoring the fact that he will likely increase his bbiq and shooting ability.

Tell me about his shooting ability progress during seasons 1 through 8. It's pretty difficult to tell someone they are "ignoring the fact" when you're actively ignoring the lack of progress made.

Well he had a different/worse form and didn't shoot much at all before 2018-2019 season so those seasons don't hold much weight.

[giannis and 1]

Giannis will not be a top 10-15 player in his late 30s. You can take that to the bank.

Giannis will be a better shooter than he is now in every way as he matures (and you can take that to the bank!) Most of his problems are mental and he'll figure it out. He just turned 26. Lebron didn't have everything figured out. mj didn't have one championship.

I don't know why people say things like that when the precedent has been set. We're in year 8. The shooting, the mental stuff, it hasn't been figured out. We haven't seen noticeable gains in either area over the years, but it's maintained that he'll "figure it out." 25.7, 27.2, 30.7, 25.6, 30.4, 28.7. Are these percentages indicative of an improving shooter? His free throw percentages? Was watching him try to force his will against Miami when it clearly wasn't working indicative of him figuring out things or an improving BBIQ?

Giannis isn't Lebron and he isn't MJ. Giannis is a great player, he does certain things at a historic level, but he's not Lebron and he's not MJ. Both had far superior IQs and overall skillsets at the same stage. Giannis uses his effort level and physicality to impose his will on the game. Russell Westbrook was the same type of player and he looks absolutely done in a really sudden way at 32. Now, you may say, Russell Westbrook is shorter, it's more difficult for a shorter guy as athleticism leaves. I won't disagree. What I also want to point out is that Giannis, at 26 years old, has had a history of problems with knee tendonitis, and I think the potential there is high for it to ultimately limit his longevity in this league. When Giannis isn't getting downhill and bouldering into the lane, what the hell skillset does he have to fall back on? He doesn't have any refined skills at this juncture that help him there. In fact, I'm not sure he even has a skill set that's up to snuff FOR refinement as that athleticism begins to deteriorate. He still needs to reach that, and at 26? Ehhhhhhh. I'm not entirely optimistic.

I just see him diversifying his game more and more every time he fails in the playoffs. His height, strength, athleticism can be used in more ways than just driving to the rim with the ball, and he is way too committed to not maximize himself.

[skones]

You are ignoring the fact that he will likely increase his bbiq and shooting ability.

Tell me about his shooting ability progress during seasons 1 through 8. It's pretty difficult to tell someone they are "ignoring the fact" when you're actively ignoring the lack of progress made.

Well he had a different/worse form and didn't shoot much at all before 2018-2019 season so those seasons don't hold much weight.

Idk wtf you're talking about. His form is a literal disaster here in 2021. He's been taking 2+ threes from distance since the 16-17 campaign. You don't just get to delete those seasons and say they "don't hold much weight" because they don't fit your bogus narrative. They happened. He was bad then, he's bad now.

[skones]

I just see him diversifying his game more and more every time he fails in the playoffs. His height, strength, athleticism can be used in more ways than just driving to the rim with the ball, and he is way too committed to not maximize himself.

How did he diversify his game after the Toronto series? Take the rose colored glasses off, these things haven't happened.

[Chad34]

You are ignoring the fact that he will likely increase his bbiq and shooting ability.

Tell me about his shooting ability progress during seasons 1 through 8. It's pretty difficult to tell someone they are "ignoring the fact" when you're actively ignoring the lack of progress made, as if progress naturally begins after season 8.

It's inconclusive to me. Since he hasn't really had a steady approach. He's been messed with (his shot) so many times, and ways. I believe as he is maturing Giannis is starting to know himself better. He will be able to stand up for himself, know what works for him, and stick with it. With that consistency, and self assuredness improvement will come.

[Chad34]

Tell me about his shooting ability progress during seasons 1 through 8. It's pretty difficult to tell someone they are "ignoring the fact" when you're actively ignoring the lack of progress made.

Well he had a different/worse form and didn't shoot much at all before 2018-2019 season so those seasons don't hold much weight.

Idk wtf you're talking about. His form is a literal disaster here in 2021. He's been taking 2+ threes from distance since the 16-17 campaign. You don't just get to delete those seasons and say they "don't hold much weight" because they don't fit your bogus narrative. They happened. He was bad then, he's bad now.

I just want to ask. When did you personally know, and believe that Giannis would be who he is today? I knew it from day one, and know that he's still going to be even better.

[skones]

You are ignoring the fact that he will likely increase his bbiq and shooting ability.

Tell me about his shooting ability progress during seasons 1 through 8. It's pretty difficult to tell someone they are "ignoring the fact" when you're actively ignoring the lack of progress made, as if progress naturally begins after season 8.

It's inconclusive to me. Since he hasn't really had a steady approach. He's been messed with (his shot) so many times, and ways. I believe as he is maturing Giannis is starting to know himself better. He will be able to stand up for himself, know what works for him, and stick with it. With that consistency, and self assuredness improvement will come.

He's literally the one responsible for his lack of a steady approach. The ball, his body, his overall mechanics aren't anywhere near consistent from shot to shot. You can say "he's been messed with so many times," but he's not doing himself ANY favors on an attempt to attempt basis. That's not on anyone but him.

All I know is that when I watch Giannis shoot free throws, I know for sure that "self assuredness" is what's juuuust lurking over the horizon. Like I said, these things are wishful thinking at this point.

[giannis and 1]

I just see him diversifying his game more and more every time he fails in the playoffs. His height, strength, athleticism can be used in more ways than just driving to the rim with the ball, and he is way too committed to not maximize himself.

How did he diversify his game after the Toronto series? Take the rose colored glasses off, these things haven't happened.

Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't in the future. It's taking him a while to realize that the league knows how to defend him much better now.

[skones]

I just see him diversifying his game more and more every time he fails in the playoffs. His height, strength, athleticism can be used in more ways than just driving to the rim with the ball, and he is way too committed to not maximize himself.

How did he diversify his game after the Toronto series? Take the rose colored glasses off, these things haven't happened.

Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't in the future. It's taking him a while to realize that the league knows how to defend him much better now.

Right, exactly my point. Rose colored glasses and wishful thinking. This is what you "hope" happens. Not what has happened or is likely to happen. I rest my case.

[Chad34]

How did he diversify his game after the Toronto series? Take the rose colored glasses off, these things haven't happened.

Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't in the future. It's taking him a while to realize that the league knows how to defend him much better now.

Right, exactly my point. Rose colored glasses and wishful thinking. This is what you "hope" happens. Not what has happened or is likely to happen. I rest my case.

again i want to know. When did you personally know, and believe that Giannis would be who he is today? I knew it from day one, and know that he's still going to be even better.

[skones]

again i want to know. When did you personally know, and believe that Giannis would be who he is today? I knew it from day one, and know that he's still going to be even better.

Cool, well, you tell me you "knew from day 1" after he was taken 15th overall that he was going to win back to back MVPs, and I'll show you someone who is lying.

Good to know that you've now boiled your position down to, "I just know it!"