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[Ball4life32]

Collins
+2.45 DRPM (#5 in nba & #1 among PF’s)
+3.50 DRaptor (#24 in the nba)
+6.8 Defensive ON/OFF

Then what does the Hawks FO see that make them so unwilling to give him a MAX contract if he that good ??

Poor cap management. They have Bogdan, Capela, and Gallo under contract for 3 years at $60m. They expect Trae, Hunter, and Collins to all ask for large contracts. Plus they still need to resign both Huerterand Reddish. They are a sub-500 team so they aren’t going into luxury tax. Someone has to get dropped. Speculation is Atlanta signs Trae and Hunter. They use RFA status to match Collins unless he goes for near max where they allow him to walk.

Hunter doesn’t need to be paid until 2023 & Gallo isn’t even fully guaranteed all 3 years. Also their owner has said he’d go into the luxury to pay their best players if it came down to it.

[The Rebel]

Collins great defensive power forward, loool

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Collins
+2.45 DRPM (#5 in nba & #1 among PF’s)
+3.50 DRaptor (#24 in the nba)
+6.8 Defensive ON/OFF

Then what does the Hawks FO see that make them so unwilling to give him a MAX contract if he that good ??

Looking at the other guys that the Hawks have drafted and who they went after in free agency, they value the ability to create their own shots more than most. He is basically a garbage man on offense, he gets his points on mostly pick and roll, offensive rebounds, and spot up shots while not creating anything for himself. Great teams need guys like him, but the Hawks are not a great team yet and seem to find his skill set less valuable than most teams will.

He has also dramatically improved his defense for the last 2 years, heading into the season maybe they did not trust that last year was how he would play defense, this year he is better than he was last year. He is also not a shot blocker and cannot guard true centers, limiting his ability to switch and defend the paint. For a team with terrible guard defense, they need the shot blocking.

Our biggest issues are not having guys comfortable playing off the ball and perimeter defense at the forward slots, those are both things he does very well.

I have openly advocated for Collins all season, I think he is a great fit, but do not think he is worth the max he is seeking. That being said if we could get him while keeping Murray, Jokic, and MPJ than I don't care what contract he signs with us next season.

[The Rebel]

Then what does the Hawks FO see that make them so unwilling to give him a MAX contract if he that good ??

Poor cap management. They have Bogdan, Capela, and Gallo under contract for 3 years at $60m. They expect Trae, Hunter, and Collins to all ask for large contracts. Plus they still need to resign both Huerterand Reddish. They are a sub-500 team so they aren’t going into luxury tax. Someone has to get dropped. Speculation is Atlanta signs Trae and Hunter. They use RFA status to match Collins unless he goes for near max where they allow him to walk.

Hunter doesn’t need to be paid until 2023 & Gallo isn’t even fully guaranteed all 3 years. Also their owner has said he’d go into the luxury to pay their best players if it came down to it.

I don't remember a single time I have heard of a team owner say that they would not go into the tax, even while they are trading talent and assets to get under the tax. It is just not something they will openly admit.

That being said I don't think it is the money issues with the Hawks, I think it is more about what they view as a max player and want out of their stars compared to what Collins actually brings.

[Ball4life32]

Poor cap management. They have Bogdan, Capela, and Gallo under contract for 3 years at $60m. They expect Trae, Hunter, and Collins to all ask for large contracts. Plus they still need to resign both Huerterand Reddish. They are a sub-500 team so they aren’t going into luxury tax. Someone has to get dropped. Speculation is Atlanta signs Trae and Hunter. They use RFA status to match Collins unless he goes for near max where they allow him to walk.

Hunter doesn’t need to be paid until 2023 & Gallo isn’t even fully guaranteed all 3 years. Also their owner has said he’d go into the luxury to pay their best players if it came down to it.

I don't remember a single time I have heard of a team owner say that they would not go into the tax, even while they are trading talent and assets to get under the tax. It is just not something they will openly admit.

That being said I don't think it is the money issues with the Hawks, I think it is more about what they view as a max player and want out of their stars compared to what Collins actually brings.

I agree with most of what you said above but I think Collins can create offense from the post....he doesn’t get the opportunity as much considering hawks offense is mostly running P&R & he only takes shots within the flow of the offense but Id feel confident giving him the ball 10-15 feet in and asking him to score.I also think he’s a good weakside shot blocker on defense....other than that spot on.

[skywalker33]

Hunter doesn’t need to be paid until 2023 & Gallo isn’t even fully guaranteed all 3 years. Also their owner has said he’d go into the luxury to pay their best players if it came down to it.

I don't remember a single time I have heard of a team owner say that they would not go into the tax, even while they are trading talent and assets to get under the tax. It is just not something they will openly admit.

That being said I don't think it is the money issues with the Hawks, I think it is more about what they view as a max player and want out of their stars compared to what Collins actually brings.

I agree with most of what you said above but I think Collins can create offense from the post....he doesn’t get the opportunity as much considering hawks offense is mostly running P&R & he only takes shots within the flow of the offense but Id feel confident giving him the ball 10-15 feet in and asking him to score.I also think he’s a good weakside shot blocker on defense....other than that spot on.

Perhaps his complaint about the offense is justified then, Trae might be the problem.

[Ball4life32]

I don't remember a single time I have heard of a team owner say that they would not go into the tax, even while they are trading talent and assets to get under the tax. It is just not something they will openly admit.

That being said I don't think it is the money issues with the Hawks, I think it is more about what they view as a max player and want out of their stars compared to what Collins actually brings.

I agree with most of what you said above but I think Collins can create offense from the post....he doesn’t get the opportunity as much considering hawks offense is mostly running P&R & he only takes shots within the flow of the offense but Id feel confident giving him the ball 10-15 feet in and asking him to score.I also think he’s a good weakside shot blocker on defense....other than that spot on.

Perhaps his complaint about the offense is justified then, Trae might be the problem.

Definitely not Trae, still skeptical on the coach. Hawks offense falls off a cliff when Trae (and lesser extent Collins because of his usage) goes to the bench. Hawks ORTG goes from 117.9 to 102.7 when Trae is off the floor.

[skywalker33]

I agree with most of what you said above but I think Collins can create offense from the post....he doesn’t get the opportunity as much considering hawks offense is mostly running P&R & he only takes shots within the flow of the offense but Id feel confident giving him the ball 10-15 feet in and asking him to score.I also think he’s a good weakside shot blocker on defense....other than that spot on.

Perhaps his complaint about the offense is justified then, Trae might be the problem.

Definitely not Trae, still skeptical on the coach. Hawks offense falls off a cliff when Trae (and lesser extent Collins because of his usage) goes to the bench. Hawks ORTG goes from 117.9 to 102.7 when Trae is off the floor.

Same was noted when Harden was in HOU, yet many speculated that Harden's usage was detracting from the entire HOU offense. A one-man game isn't always productive. That said, I can agree it may just be the coaching, not all fans love their coach.

[mirmil]

Collins would be great improvement on F position,but in my opinion we would need more defensive player at 3. Too many shooters without elite defenders can't bring a title

[stoo]

mpj for grant?

[NuggetsWY]

mpj for grant?

[THE J0KER]

3 teams deal during the 2021 summer offseason with reasonable price which will fix some mistakes our FO made lately:

MINNESOTA: G.Harris, Z.Nnaji, V.Cancar, DEN2025
DETROIT: W.Barton, B.Bol, DEN2021
DENVER: J.Grant, M.Beasley, J.Vanderbilt

It will be also more than welcome if we find a coach that will use the Murray-Beasley-Grant-Porter-Jokic lineup together more than 2 minutes per season

[skywalker33]

3 teams deal during the 2021 summer offseason with reasonable price which will fix some mistakes our FO made lately:

MINNESOTA: G.Harris, Z.Nnaji, V.Cancar, DEN2025
DETROIT: W.Barton, B.Bol, DEN2021
DENVER: J.Grant, M.Beasley, J.Vanderbilt

It will be also more than welcome if we find a coach that will use the Murray-Beasley-Grant-Porter-Jokic lineup together more than 2 minutes per season

So we send FIVE players and TWO 1sts for three player who never won us anything

All three of the incoming players are putting up numbers ON LOSING TEAMS !

[Richard Miller]

3 teams deal during the 2021 summer offseason with reasonable price which will fix some mistakes our FO made lately:

MINNESOTA: G.Harris, Z.Nnaji, V.Cancar, DEN2025
DETROIT: W.Barton, B.Bol, DEN2021
DENVER: J.Grant, M.Beasley, J.Vanderbilt

It will be also more than welcome if we find a coach that will use the Murray-Beasley-Grant-Porter-Jokic lineup together more than 2 minutes per season

Good joke

[THE J0KER]

3 teams deal during the 2021 summer offseason with reasonable price which will fix some mistakes our FO made lately:

MINNESOTA: G.Harris, Z.Nnaji, V.Cancar, DEN2025
DETROIT: W.Barton, B.Bol, DEN2021
DENVER: J.Grant, M.Beasley, J.Vanderbilt

It will be also more than welcome if we find a coach that will use the Murray-Beasley-Grant-Porter-Jokic lineup together more than 2 minutes per season

So we send FIVE players and TWO 1sts for three player who never won us anything

All three of the incoming players are putting up numbers ON LOSING TEAMS !

Relax man, Detroit and Minnesota would never accept this offer anyway

[skywalker33]

3 teams deal during the 2021 summer offseason with reasonable price which will fix some mistakes our FO made lately:

MINNESOTA: G.Harris, Z.Nnaji, V.Cancar, DEN2025
DETROIT: W.Barton, B.Bol, DEN2021
DENVER: J.Grant, M.Beasley, J.Vanderbilt

It will be also more than welcome if we find a coach that will use the Murray-Beasley-Grant-Porter-Jokic lineup together more than 2 minutes per season

So we send FIVE players and TWO 1sts for three player who never won us anything

All three of the incoming players are putting up numbers ON LOSING TEAMS !

Relax man, Detroit and Minnesota would never accept this offer anyway

More realistically, DEN would never OFFER that

[THE J0KER]

So we send FIVE players and TWO 1sts for three player who never won us anything

All three of the incoming players are putting up numbers ON LOSING TEAMS !

Relax man, Detroit and Minnesota would never accept this offer anyway

More realistically, DEN would never OFFER that

Of course, they will not offer it and expose some own terrible decisions. They even overpay Plumlee with 40/3 despite knowing he will play just around 15mpg (even less in playoffs), only to Nurkic+FRP for expiring Plumlee deal look less unbalanced.

[skywalker33]

Relax man, Detroit and Minnesota would never accept this offer anyway

More realistically, DEN would never OFFER that

Of course, they will not offer it and expose some own terrible decisions. They even overpay Plumlee with 40/3 despite knowing he will play just around 15mpg (even less in playoffs), only to Nurkic+FRP for expiring Plumlee deal look less unbalanced.

So, you use your power of 20/20 hindsight, combine it with that ever-exuberant need to feel superior by pointing out what you deem are Nugget FO mistakes, all while wasting our time creating posts that you admit are pointless...how very benevolent of you

[skywalker33]

Anyone think Tristan Thompson has any D left in the tank, could we get him from BOS, perhaps a deal around Barton ?

[The Rebel]

3 teams deal during the 2021 summer offseason with reasonable price which will fix some mistakes our FO made lately:

MINNESOTA: G.Harris, Z.Nnaji, V.Cancar, DEN2025
DETROIT: W.Barton, B.Bol, DEN2021
DENVER: J.Grant, M.Beasley, J.Vanderbilt

It will be also more than welcome if we find a coach that will use the Murray-Beasley-Grant-Porter-Jokic lineup together more than 2 minutes per season

So we send FIVE players and TWO 1sts for three player who never won us anything

All three of the incoming players are putting up numbers ON LOSING TEAMS !

Relax man, Detroit and Minnesota would never accept this offer anyway

IN a year you would be bitching that they traded Nnaji, Bol, and Cancar along with all the picks and posting trades to get those guys back.

[The Rebel]

Anyone think Tristan Thompson has any D left in the tank, could we get him from BOS, perhaps a deal around Barton ?

I think Boston needs Thompson to bad to trade him right now. He is starting for them right now believe it or not.