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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#401 » by sco » Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:10 pm

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Kukoc-Lauri wrote:Thad Young, Luke Kornet and two second round picks for Lonzo Ball. Would Pelicans decline such lucrattive offer for a guy, whom they dont want to pay this offseason.

But we want to keep Thad, and trade Lauri...don't we?
i personally don't want that. Imo Lauri is much better player than Young today and with lot of more upside in the league comparing to 32 yo Young. Young salary for 22 is 14,5 mil, i would rather pay couple of milions more for Lauri and PWill needs playing time on both forwards spots. Ideally i would trade for Lonzo, put White to be scorer or combo from the bench and play Lauri,Williams and draft pick 21 Green/Kumminga/Barnes/J.Johnson/Z.Williams/K.Johnson/Moody on 2/3 or 3/4 positions.

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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#402 » by DuckIII » Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:14 pm

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13.9 ppg on 42% shooting. 4.7 assists. 14.6 PER. Is that a good year? You would hate him if he was doing that on the Bulls.


When you add in the trend lines and his .374 3pt shooting on high volume, .549 TS%, massively improved FT% to 75%, and his defense, yes I definitely would say that. Not to mention the import of his value relative to our current players.

Honest question - are teams still playing ultra far off of him or are they playing him tighter. Because my perception has been that the biggest problem with his shooting hasn't been the raw numbers but because of how he kills spacing because no one respects his shot.


I don’t know. But he’s been shooting 37% at high volume for 2 seasons so if they do sag off it’s a mistake.
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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#403 » by Kukoc-Lauri » Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:30 pm

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sco wrote:But we want to keep Thad, and trade Lauri...don't we?
i personally don't want that. Imo Lauri is much better player than Young today and with lot of more upside in the league comparing to 32 yo Young. Young salary for 22 is 14,5 mil, i would rather pay couple of milions more for Lauri and PWill needs playing time on both forwards spots. Ideally i would trade for Lonzo, put White to be scorer or combo from the bench and play Lauri,Williams and draft pick 21 Green/Kumminga/Barnes/J.Johnson/Z.Williams/K.Johnson/Moody on 2/3 or 3/4 positions.

just yankin' your chain! :wink:
chill man, Lauri living rent free in your head. But dont worry too much i dont think Bulls would match offers he will recieve 20+ mil. Be patient, soon he would leave elswhere and be successfull.
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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#404 » by Gert42 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:00 pm

Evil_Headband wrote:Could someone summarize why the Pelicans want to trade him? I just don't get it.


I think part of the thoughts of the Pelicans trading him is with how much Brandon Ingram handles the ball you lose a lot of what Lonzo's value is on a starting lineup in NO.

I think this is bad fit trade for both teams in this current space in time. I don't think the Pelicans would want to get rid of him for anything short of a future asset better than a 2nd round pick or a young player the Bulls would not want to give up. I also agree with the poster that having an RFA rights aren't as important as they used to be or we make them out to be.
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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#405 » by sco » Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:11 pm

Kukoc-Lauri wrote:
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Kukoc-Lauri wrote: i personally don't want that. Imo Lauri is much better player than Young today and with lot of more upside in the league comparing to 32 yo Young. Young salary for 22 is 14,5 mil, i would rather pay couple of milions more for Lauri and PWill needs playing time on both forwards spots. Ideally i would trade for Lonzo, put White to be scorer or combo from the bench and play Lauri,Williams and draft pick 21 Green/Kumminga/Barnes/J.Johnson/Z.Williams/K.Johnson/Moody on 2/3 or 3/4 positions.

just yankin' your chain! :wink:
chill man, Lauri living rent free in your head. But dont worry too much i dont think Bulls would match offers he will recieve 20+ mil. Be patient, soon he would leave elswhere and be successfull.

Worse than rent-free he's costing me...sleep.
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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#406 » by Kukoc-Lauri » Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:27 pm

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Evil_Headband wrote:Could someone summarize why the Pelicans want to trade him? I just don't get it.


I think part of the thoughts of the Pelicans trading him is with how much Brandon Ingram handles the ball you lose a lot of what Lonzo's value is on a starting lineup in NO.

I think this is bad fit trade for both teams in this current space in time. I don't think the Pelicans would want to get rid of him for anything short of a future asset better than a 2nd round pick or a young player the Bulls would not want to give up. I also agree with the poster that having an RFA rights aren't as important as they used to be or we make them out to be.
They drafted loterry pick Kira Lewis Jr for pg of the future. Previous year they traded for loterry pick Shai's cousin Nickel Alexander Walker combo guard. They need more playing time for them. They payed Ingram max, traded for Adams 27,5 mil per year, traded for another vet pg Eric Bledsoe 20 mil salary. They would resigned Zion at max in two years. They need cap space and playing times for guards. Ball failed to reach exstension with them , his gm is Rich Paul aka Lebron. They are asking around 20 mil per year longterm contract. 100% they dont want to resign Ball for that money, they are seeking expiring contracts, shooting and forwards depth. Otto for Ball and Redick is deal to make. Bulls could send Hutch to Nola as sweetener and send Redick to Phila or Boston for couple of second round picks. Zion can play small ball five with Otto spacing the floor on pf spot, Bulls could made life easier for scorers with Ball passing ability and he is good defender and rebounder for position. White coming back in his comfort zone as bench scorer and gunner. Ball/Lavine Sato/White would be great guard rotations with Denzel, very versitale guard lineup. PWill/Lauri/Thad on sf/pf and WCJ/Gaff and one of Felicio/Kornet in spurts for center spot.
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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#407 » by Indomitable » Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:42 pm

Kukoc-Lauri wrote:
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Kukoc-Lauri wrote: i personally don't want that. Imo Lauri is much better player than Young today and with lot of more upside in the league comparing to 32 yo Young. Young salary for 22 is 14,5 mil, i would rather pay couple of milions more for Lauri and PWill needs playing time on both forwards spots. Ideally i would trade for Lonzo, put White to be scorer or combo from the bench and play Lauri,Williams and draft pick 21 Green/Kumminga/Barnes/J.Johnson/Z.Williams/K.Johnson/Moody on 2/3 or 3/4 positions.

just yankin' your chain! :wink:
chill man, Lauri living rent free in your head. But dont worry too much i dont think Bulls would match offers he will recieve 20+ mil. Be patient, soon he would leave elswhere and be successfull.


Where?

He is a pf with no post game or a center with crappy defense.
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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#408 » by Jeffster81 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:44 pm

Evil_Headband wrote:Could someone summarize why the Pelicans want to trade him? I just don't get it.


There's a lot of reasons, some of which have already been mentioned, but for me ultimately Lonzo is not going to sign long-term in NO.
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Post#409 » by Kukoc-Lauri » Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:48 pm

Indomitable wrote:
Kukoc-Lauri wrote:
sco wrote:just yankin' your chain! :wink:
chill man, Lauri living rent free in your head. But dont worry too much i dont think Bulls would match offers he will recieve 20+ mil. Be patient, soon he would leave elswhere and be successfull.


Where?

He is a pf with no post game or a center with crappy defense.
He is 23 yo, 7 footer with 18/7 season and 19/7 season with 60% for two and 40% for three and 88% from free throws. He can space the floor, finish plays and is fairly athlethic for position. Bad free agent class with lot of teams with money to spend. Imo he will recieve offers in that 18-22 mil area from Spurs,Mavericks,Knicks. Teams to watch Hornets,Okc Thunder,Miami Heat. Only one team is needed to offer money, that will happened 100%.
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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#410 » by sco » Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:53 pm

Kukoc-Lauri wrote:
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Kukoc-Lauri wrote: chill man, Lauri living rent free in your head. But dont worry too much i dont think Bulls would match offers he will recieve 20+ mil. Be patient, soon he would leave elswhere and be successfull.


Where?

He is a pf with no post game or a center with crappy defense.
He is 23 yo, 7 footer with 18/7 season and 19/7 season with 60% for two and 40% for three and 88% from free throws. He can space the floor, finish plays and is fairly athlethic for position. Bad free agent class with lot of teams with money to spend. Imo he will recieve offers in that 18-22 mil area from Spurs,Mavericks,Knicks. Teams to watch Hornets,Okc Thunder,Miami Heat. Only one team is needed to offer money, that will happened 100%.

I'm with you...barring a successful return from injury, that was the trajectory he was on.

The thing that, IMO, is the biggest mistake when they think about Lauri is the whole 7 foot thing.
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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#411 » by ImSlower » Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:58 pm

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I recall a lot of dissention when their name was chosen. I don't see the problem, to be honest. There are plenty of non-aggressive animals as mascots out there. It's the state bird of Louisiana. One of my only memories of a childhood visit to NO was seeing a pelican on the lake. I wish they could have stolen the Jazz back from Utah, sure! But it makes more sense as a team name than the Raptors, who only got that because kids my age thought Jurassic park was super cool. Or any number of incidental team names out there, really. The Penguins got their name because an old arena sort of looked like an igloo. Now that's just dumb.


Ha - well I kind of appeal to the side of avoiding the obvious.

I think Utah Jazz is more interesting than NO Jazz. LA Lakers vs Minny. It’s fun(ny) having a story behind the name of which the root has nothing to do with its present.

I feel the Raptors name is a home-run. For one thing, Jurassic Park was indeed the craze of the early 90s, the purple Barney colors made no sense, and it’s still a cool name for a team. :lol:

Pelicans are interesting predator birds, but... these are sports, not nature documentaries. You need some toughness in the name, and I know Pelicans are no push-over, but it just sounds soft, not to mention 3 syllables is too much for a team unless it has a catchy short (Tampa Bucs, Knickerbockers, etc.). Seeing as we’re 32 teams in, it’s the more license to go kooky imo: from names proposed, I liked the NO Skulls or NO Gulf. New Orleans has all kinds of culture and history plus mythology - seems they went the easiest route ever (the state bird).


I can't dispute your logic in something so entirely subjective as team names! That said, the team I support more than the Bulls are also an illogical three-syllable bird. I can literally see a cardinal in the tree outside my window as we speak. But blue jays also are around, as are wrens, chickadees, and finches. None of which make for a very fearsome team name. At least the Raptors have that. Same as the Grizzlies, which were an awesome name for a Vancouver team (albeit, if you don't like obvious names, I guess it's better they're in Memphis now, hah).

The New Orleans Gulf? Egad. The original Lakers moniker worked great - the Chicago Lake or St Louis River, not so much. You're outta yer damn mind!

On an aside, my Irish best mate is of the opinion that attaching a moniker to a team in any regard is dumb. He's a diehard Man U supporter, and hates when people call them the Red Devils. What a tosser!
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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#412 » by Indomitable » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:25 pm

Kukoc-Lauri wrote:
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Kukoc-Lauri wrote: chill man, Lauri living rent free in your head. But dont worry too much i dont think Bulls would match offers he will recieve 20+ mil. Be patient, soon he would leave elswhere and be successfull.


Where?

He is a pf with no post game or a center with crappy defense.
He is 23 yo, 7 footer with 18/7 season and 19/7 season with 60% for two and 40% for three and 88% from free throws. He can space the floor, finish plays and is fairly athlethic for position. Bad free agent class with lot of teams with money to spend. Imo he will recieve offers in that 18-22 mil area from Spurs,Mavericks,Knicks. Teams to watch Hornets,Okc Thunder,Miami Heat. Only one team is needed to offer money, that will happened 100%.

Miami unlikely
Thunder unlikely
Spurs no
Hornets no money
Knicks have Randle and need to resign Mitch.

The Bulls most likely will trade him. He is nice player. He is not a franchise corner stone.

He has never shot 40% for an entire season. He does not take advantage of his size. He is a nice player. Nothing more.
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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#413 » by Kukoc-Lauri » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:36 pm

Indomitable wrote:
Kukoc-Lauri wrote:
Indomitable wrote:
Where?

He is a pf with no post game or a center with crappy defense.
He is 23 yo, 7 footer with 18/7 season and 19/7 season with 60% for two and 40% for three and 88% from free throws. He can space the floor, finish plays and is fairly athlethic for position. Bad free agent class with lot of teams with money to spend. Imo he will recieve offers in that 18-22 mil area from Spurs,Mavericks,Knicks. Teams to watch Hornets,Okc Thunder,Miami Heat. Only one team is needed to offer money, that will happened 100%.

Miami unlikely
Thunder unlikely
Spurs no
Hornets no money
Knicks have Randle and need to resign Mitch.

The Bulls most likely will trade him. He is nice player. He is not a franchise corner stone.

He has never shot 40% for an entire season. He does not take advantage of his size. He is a nice player. Nothing more.
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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#414 » by Jcool0 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:52 pm

Indomitable wrote:
Kukoc-Lauri wrote:
Indomitable wrote:
Where?

He is a pf with no post game or a center with crappy defense.
He is 23 yo, 7 footer with 18/7 season and 19/7 season with 60% for two and 40% for three and 88% from free throws. He can space the floor, finish plays and is fairly athlethic for position. Bad free agent class with lot of teams with money to spend. Imo he will recieve offers in that 18-22 mil area from Spurs,Mavericks,Knicks. Teams to watch Hornets,Okc Thunder,Miami Heat. Only one team is needed to offer money, that will happened 100%.

Miami unlikely
Thunder unlikely
Spurs no
Hornets no money
Knicks have Randle and need to resign Mitch.

The Bulls most likely will trade him. He is nice player. He is not a franchise corner stone.

He has never shot 40% for an entire season. He does not take advantage of his size. He is a nice player. Nothing more.


Hornets will have money. Probably around 20 million.
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Post#415 » by Wingy » Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:40 am

I can't objectively think of the Ball bros., nor want them on the Bulls. The stench of the dad lingers too strong for me. I know that's pretty silly since he's actually done a solid job of going quiet once Lonzo got to the pros, but I admit I just can't shake it.
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Post#416 » by Rose2Boozer » Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:48 am

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Post#417 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:58 am

Kukoc-Lauri wrote:
Indomitable wrote:
Kukoc-Lauri wrote: chill man, Lauri living rent free in your head. But dont worry too much i dont think Bulls would match offers he will recieve 20+ mil. Be patient, soon he would leave elswhere and be successfull.


Where?

He is a pf with no post game or a center with crappy defense.
He is 23 yo, 7 footer with 18/7 season and 19/7 season with 60% for two and 40% for three and 88% from free throws. He can space the floor, finish plays and is fairly athlethic for position. Bad free agent class with lot of teams with money to spend. Imo he will recieve offers in that 18-22 mil area from Spurs,Mavericks,Knicks. Teams to watch Hornets,Okc Thunder,Miami Heat. Only one team is needed to offer money, that will happened 100%.


He will definitely get big contract from someone. I’m kinda ready to move just because he can’t stay healthy. Having bad seasons because Lauri, Carter and Porter stay hurt has gotten old.
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Post#418 » by NecessaryEvil » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:28 am

Evil_Headband wrote:Could someone summarize why the Pelicans want to trade him? I just don't get it.


On top of the list of things everyone else has already stated, SVG has been putting the ball in Zion's hands more as a playmaker also. Kid played PG in HS. Duke let him run the offense at times also.

If u wanna bring the best out of Zion, let him make plays.
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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#419 » by fleet » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:38 am

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His performance. He’s having the best season of his career statistically and has shown improvement in every single area of concern.

How is he not having a good year?


13.9 ppg on 42% shooting. 4.7 assists. 14.6 PER. Is that a good year? You would hate him if he was doing that on the Bulls.


When you add in the trend lines and his .374 3pt shooting on high volume, .549 TS%, massively improved FT% to 75%, and his defense, yes I definitely would say that. Not to mention the import of his value relative to our current players.

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Re: Bulls interested in trading for Lonzo? 

Post#420 » by DroseReturnChi » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:49 am

Indomitable wrote:
Kukoc-Lauri wrote:
sco wrote:just yankin' your chain! :wink:
chill man, Lauri living rent free in your head. But dont worry too much i dont think Bulls would match offers he will recieve 20+ mil. Be patient, soon he would leave elswhere and be successfull.


Where?

He is a pf with no post game or a center with crappy defense.


wanna do sig bet? And who the fk cares abt post game when analytics favor the 3 they dont want doing those stuffs?
You seem to live on the past 10 yrs ago.
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