Game 19: MEM vs TOR

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[jman3134]

Just got league pass. Let's go! Obvious charge call here.

[Whole Truth]

Raptors shot 54% on 37 3's. Do I need to say anything else ?.

Memphis continue to lose games on the 3pt line.

Way to many careless TO's especially against a team shooting as well as the Raptors were.

[jman3134]

Raptors shot 54% on 37 3's. Do I need to say anything else ?.

Memphis continue to lose games on the 3pt line.

Way to many careless TO's especially against a team shooting as well as the Raptors were.

Transition D is absolutely horrendous, particularly off their own TOs.

[E S V L]

Raptors shot 54% on 37 3's. Do I need to say anything else ?.

Memphis continue to lose games on the 3pt line.

Way to many careless TO's especially against a team shooting as well as the Raptors were.

Guess why our perimeter defense got horrible...

[E S V L]

Something wrong with the chemistry. I feel it in the air. Ja looked too passive.

[Whole Truth]

Raptors shot 54% on 37 3's. Do I need to say anything else ?.

Memphis continue to lose games on the 3pt line.

Way to many careless TO's especially against a team shooting as well as the Raptors were.

Guess why our perimeter defense got horrible...

The defensive strategy with Jonas does make Memphis more vulnerable from 3. but then I'd ask you to explain the Pacers & Houston's games without him ?.. got horrible... Pacers & Houston exploited the perimeter defense, without Jonas.. so what was the excuse then ? ..

Raptors did hit 14 of their 20 3's with Jonas on court, tell me they were all a result of him & the strategy with him. I won't argue though I know those looks weren't all a result of him but then tell you Jonas left the game 3rd Q with Memphis up 10 (85-95) with less than 3mins left. (So with that extremely hot shooting from 3, 14 makes, some poor TO's/shot selection, Raptors only had 85pts with 3mins left in the 3rd Q). If Raptors weren't that hot from 3, they would have been down 20 at that point with maybe 75pts or so ..

When Jonas checked back in at the 9min mark of the 4th, Memphis were down 7, (106-99).

Combinations of DIeng, TIllman, Anderson, Konchar, Allen, Brooks, Tyus, Ja from the 3min mark of the 3rd to the 9min mark of the 4th were outscored 21-4. Read that again, these defensive players gave up 21 pts in less than 6 mins while only being able to score 4 ..

[E S V L]

If I hadn`t poked you brother, I wouldn`t have had so much genuine fun reading your response.

[Whole Truth]

If I hadn`t poked you brother, I wouldn`t have had so much genuine fun reading your response.

Not the first or last time .. it's all good.

[E S V L]

If I hadn`t poked you brother, I wouldn`t have had so much genuine fun reading your response.

Not the first or last time .. it's all good.

Good.

Your ex-team folks have finally offered 1st for JV based on his performance vs Toronto.

[Whole Truth]

If I hadn`t poked you brother, I wouldn`t have had so much genuine fun reading your response.

Not the first or last time .. it's all good.

Good.

Your ex-team folks have finally offered 1st for JV based on his performance vs Toronto.

Not my ex team, I still follow the Raptors.

Raptor fans have seen JV play for 8 seasons, they know why they want him back & why it would be a mistake for Memphis to return the favor.

[VCfor3]

Raptors shot 54% on 37 3's. Do I need to say anything else ?.

Memphis continue to lose games on the 3pt line.

Way to many careless TO's especially against a team shooting as well as the Raptors were.

I know we lost, but JV still had a very large impact for us. He is the reason Ja was able to get going for stretches there. Ja is struggling with the new opposing defensive scheme against him, but JV cleaning up Ja's misses as well as being an outlet for him is one of the few things helping Ja out right now. Otherwise Ja gets frustrated and things spiral out of control.

[Whole Truth]

Raptors shot 54% on 37 3's. Do I need to say anything else ?.

Memphis continue to lose games on the 3pt line.

Way to many careless TO's especially against a team shooting as well as the Raptors were.

I know we lost, but JV still had a very large impact for us. He is the reason Ja was able to get going for stretches there. Ja is struggling with the new opposing defensive scheme against him, but JV cleaning up Ja's misses as well as being an outlet for him is one of the few things helping Ja out right now. Otherwise Ja gets frustrated and things spiral out of control.

Jonas flaws are crystal clear. However, he impacts the game in so many other aspects that go unnoticed, unappreciated. The intangibles in his physical game, no stat can really quantify. So to stat heads, his flaws weighs heavy.

[E S V L]

Not my ex team, I still follow the Raptors.

Can you assess then the following trade from both perspectives:

Sjakam

for

Anderson
Valancuinas
Melton

[Whole Truth]

Can you assess then the following trade from both perspectives:

Sjakam

for

Anderson
Valancuinas
Melton

Pascal is shooting 46% from the field & under 30% from 3 after his hot shooting night vs Memphis. He's a better player than his current production but his game has peaked & his production has dipped considerably while being paid like a max player for the next 4yrs. I like Pascal but even with a bounce back in production, which I think is likely, his salary makes him a negative asset. He's not a max player but is payed like one, which in essence is the issue & why Raptors would be entertaining this deal from their end.

I'd ask simply. Does Pascal upgrade Clarke who's a similar player, skillset on rookie scale & control "enough" to consolidate those solid depth options & kill the very healthy cap sheet Memphis currently enjoy ?.

Without getting into Anderson's break out season & tangible growth, Jonas being a physical/efficient dynamic to the front court or Melton's youth potential as a 3 & D wing...

When 3J returns to roster the depth piece/skillset/mins he replaces best, is DIeng who's a 30+yr old expiring.

Been saying it for a while. I've been aiming for Memphis to recreate Raptors dominant PF/C rotation of Ibaka & Jonas with 3J in Ibaka's PF/C role. Tillman & Clarke are cheap quality depth options/future replacements to Jonas. However, neither have played more than a full season, where Clarke was coming off the bench prior to this. Which coupled with 3J's injury history, IMO necessary depth/versatility I think Memphis would regret trading away.

PF/C - Ibaka < 3J + Clarke
C - Jonas < Jonas + Tillman

With Ja & Tyus at point, what Memphis need is their Kawhi 2 way wing creator & time. Nothing more, nothing less

Personally I think Memphis front court is set now & for the future. Those 4 players are less salary than Pascal alone, even with 3J's extension. All things considered that Pascal 33m/4yrs could simply be better utilized, even in taking back a shorter bad contract for pick compensation.

Dieng's 17m expiring along with maybe Winslow's 15m is roughly 30m with little to no impact with what Memphis currently have going on considering 3J's return upgrades what skillset Dieng brings to the table & Winslow has yet to play/stay healthy. If Raptors truly want to get out from under Pascal's contract, Maybe Memphis could potentially flip him to GS for a bad contract, Minnesota's pick in combination with theirs, where Memphis get a couple picks for dead salary, GS net Pascal, Raptors more manageable depth pieces..

[E S V L]

Raptors fans have literally ripped me out in response to this offer. It turns out that they view Pascal as a mega-superstar.

[psman2]

Raptors fans have literally ripped me out in response to this offer. It turns out that they view Pascal as a mega-superstar.

I think Siakam is a 2B type of star. He is a great 3rd scoring option while playing plus D. I don't see a team making much noise in the playoffs with him as your best player or even 2nd best player. I think he is tops out as like a top 35ish player.

However he is young enough for Toronto to keep building around/with him that a offer like this doesn't have the upside needed for them to pull the trigger. Plus most of the TNT board does not have Val or Anderson valued correctly. I think it would take two more 1sts to bring Toronto to the table. Anderson would have to go to a 3rd team for value and Melton really isn't needed there either unless they let both Powell and Davis walk.

[Whole Truth]

Raptors fans have literally ripped me out in response to this offer. It turns out that they view Pascal as a mega-superstar.

I think Siakam is a 2B type of star. He is a great 3rd scoring option while playing plus D. I don't see a team making much noise in the playoffs with him as your best player or even 2nd best player. I think he is tops out as like a top 35ish player.

However he is young enough for Toronto to keep building around/with him that a offer like this doesn't have the upside needed for them to pull the trigger. Plus most of the TNT board does not have Val or Anderson valued correctly. I think it would take two more 1sts to bring Toronto to the table. Anderson would have to go to a 3rd team for value and Melton really isn't needed there either unless they let both Powell and Davis walk.

Pascal is shooting 45% from the field, 29% from 3 & is set to make 35m in 23, 37m in 24. His subpar play has been part reason Raptors are under 500.

I like Pascal but wouldn't do the trade as is having Clarke, more less adding pick/s to it. Doesn't matter if Raptors fans like it or not.

As a matter of fact with that production at 37m over a 4yr span is a negative $ contract where I'd be looking for pick compensation from the Raptors..

[E S V L]

Raptors fans have literally ripped me out in response to this offer. It turns out that they view Pascal as a mega-superstar.

I think Siakam is a 2B type of star. He is a great 3rd scoring option while playing plus D. I don't see a team making much noise in the playoffs with him as your best player or even 2nd best player. I think he is tops out as like a top 35ish player.

However he is young enough for Toronto to keep building around/with him that a offer like this doesn't have the upside needed for them to pull the trigger. Plus most of the TNT board does not have Val or Anderson valued correctly. I think it would take two more 1sts to bring Toronto to the table. Anderson would have to go to a 3rd team for value and Melton really isn't needed there either unless they let both Powell and Davis walk.

Sjakam has no strength to play in the paint. He is closer to Bargniani than to Dirk. Jalen Brown killed him in 1-on-1 post. This guy is not created for PO games. I wish Toronto all the best with all my sarcasm.

[psman2]

Raptors fans have literally ripped me out in response to this offer. It turns out that they view Pascal as a mega-superstar.

I think Siakam is a 2B type of star. He is a great 3rd scoring option while playing plus D. I don't see a team making much noise in the playoffs with him as your best player or even 2nd best player. I think he is tops out as like a top 35ish player.

However he is young enough for Toronto to keep building around/with him that a offer like this doesn't have the upside needed for them to pull the trigger. Plus most of the TNT board does not have Val or Anderson valued correctly. I think it would take two more 1sts to bring Toronto to the table. Anderson would have to go to a 3rd team for value and Melton really isn't needed there either unless they let both Powell and Davis walk.

Pascal is shooting 45% from the field, 29% from 3 & is set to make 35m in 23, 37m in 24. His subpar play has been part reason Raptors are under 500.

I like Pascal but wouldn't do the trade as is having Clarke, more less adding pick/s to it. Doesn't matter if Raptors fans like it or not.

As a matter of fact with that production at 37m over a 4yr span is a negative $ contract where I'd be looking for pick compensation from the Raptors..

I disagree with your value assessment here. Yes Siakam is making a lot of money and is not a viable number one option. That doesn't equate to him having negative value, just that if you want to maximize his play he needs to be in a more defined role playing with players as good or better than him. If Ja and JJJ become those better players then he be a great fit as a 3rd option playing good D just like he was in 2019 championship year. I think he has positive value around the NBA, not as much as raptors fans want but still clearly positive.