Trade Discussion 22/23

[Bob8]

Max slot for who?

That was a shot Cuban took and missed. In business you have to take risks. His risk tolerance was higher than most.

But either way it tells you the direction the team is going. He's willing to wipe the team clean (except for Luka or KP) for a chance to sign A-grade talent.

Problem with that logic is, that Seth with his contract was one of the easiest moving players, if opportunity for max player opens next year.

No, they truly believed Richardson is better. No problem with that, anyone can be wrong, but I hope they pull a trigger on Richardson as soon it will be obvious he's hopeless. We're not there yet, but if Brunson is outplaying you, with half minutes less, you're in deep problems.

[leolozon]

Celtics fan here. Is Josh Richardson someone the Mavs might make available, and if so, is there an idea of what it would cost for the C's to acquire him? We need wing depth since the loss of Hayward but ideally, someone with a smaller usage rate. He'd easily fit into out TPE and is someone who would always give us problems when he was with Miami/Philly.

The problem is that the Mavs would want a player who can be helpful now and what can the Celtics trade? Thompson or Ojelewe? I rather just stick with Richardson.

I guess the Celtics have some young guys with potential if the Mavs want to push back the time line, but Edwards is so small and we already have Brunson. Robert Williams seems good, but he doesn't shoot 3s, so I don't think the Mavs would want him next to Luka.

I'm intrigued by Grant Williams as a role player, but that's not enough.

I must say I don't watch the Celtics that much, so maybe I'm wrong about my take.

[TheOGJabroni]

Celtics fan here. Is Josh Richardson someone the Mavs might make available, and if so, is there an idea of what it would cost for the C's to acquire him? We need wing depth since the loss of Hayward but ideally, someone with a smaller usage rate. He'd easily fit into out TPE and is someone who would always give us problems when he was with Miami/Philly.

The problem is that the Mavs would want a player who can be helpful now and what can the Celtics trade? Thompson or Ojelewe? I rather just stick with Richardson.

I guess the Celtics have some young guys with potential if the Mavs want to push back the time line, but Edwards is so small and we already have Brunson. Robert Williams seems good, but he doesn't shoot 3s, so I don't think the Mavs would want him next to Luka.

I'm intrigued by Grant Williams as a role player, but that's not enough.

I must say I don't watch the Celtics that much, so maybe I'm wrong about my take.

No you're pretty spot on, IMO. Langford is another guy a lot of Celtics fans are high on but he has injury concerns. I wouldn't say Thompson is entirely off the table but it would leave the Celtics thin at center with the way they basically do a platoon at that position. He obviously doesn't shoot 3s either, but I feel like I've seen rebounding is a concern, which he'd obviously help with that.

Grant Williams will be a great role player though. Maybe that and a protected first would get a deal done?

[leolozon]

Celtics fan here. Is Josh Richardson someone the Mavs might make available, and if so, is there an idea of what it would cost for the C's to acquire him? We need wing depth since the loss of Hayward but ideally, someone with a smaller usage rate. He'd easily fit into out TPE and is someone who would always give us problems when he was with Miami/Philly.

The problem is that the Mavs would want a player who can be helpful now and what can the Celtics trade? Thompson or Ojelewe? I rather just stick with Richardson.

I guess the Celtics have some young guys with potential if the Mavs want to push back the time line, but Edwards is so small and we already have Brunson. Robert Williams seems good, but he doesn't shoot 3s, so I don't think the Mavs would want him next to Luka.

I'm intrigued by Grant Williams as a role player, but that's not enough.

I must say I don't watch the Celtics that much, so maybe I'm wrong about my take.

No you're pretty spot on, IMO. Langford is another guy a lot of Celtics fans are high on but he has injury concerns. I wouldn't say Thompson is entirely off the table but it would leave the Celtics thin at center with the way they basically do a platoon at that position. He obviously doesn't shoot 3s either, but I feel like I've seen rebounding is a concern, which he'd obviously help with that.

Grant Williams will be a great role player though. Maybe that and a protected first would get a deal done?

I would personally be open to push back the contending aspiration if we get a young player who can develop and help in 2-3 years, but I don't think Cuban and RC are. Heck, the Mavs' 1st round pick isn't even playing right now. It was an 18th pick and they don't even seem to care about developing him. I doubt they really value first round picks, certainly not outside the lottery.

I also think they rightfully want to give this group more time considering they've been hit by covid and they feel like this is close to the start of the season for them. So they won't put Richardson on the market now. They'll wait to see if the group can get it together. If Richardson is traded, it's going to be once they decidethat they don't want to resign him and that this team can't get to the 2nd round. I don't think it happens before half of the season is done.

[JD45]

No you're pretty spot on, IMO. Langford is another guy a lot of Celtics fans are high on but he has injury concerns. I wouldn't say Thompson is entirely off the table but it would leave the Celtics thin at center with the way they basically do a platoon at that position. He obviously doesn't shoot 3s either, but I feel like I've seen rebounding is a concern, which he'd obviously help with that.

Grant Williams will be a great role player though. Maybe that and a protected first would get a deal done?

Its difficult to figure out a deal. I am sure the Mavs would trade JRich, but the Celtics don't seem like natural trading partners. The Mavs were rumored to be interested in Nesmith, but I don't know if they would be willing to add another rookie, as they seem determined to get in the playoffs. I can't see them trading him for role players as It wouldnt seem to make the team better.

My best guess on how to do it would be a 3 team deal with Chicago or Houston that brought Porter or Oladipo to the Mavs.

[Apz]

Except porter and oladipo is expiring, and by the looks will get offers that will put both in the top 10 of worst cobtracts in the league

[jpengland]

Collins apparently available.

Likely won't be enough but go hard after him whilst trying to save the expiring guys.

Brunson, Green and picks? Not sure how far that gets us.

Send Johnson for a multi year rotation guy.

Then resign THJ, Richardson and Collins in the summer.

Full MLE is available to add another rotation guy.

That's quite a lineup, potentially. If expensive.

[JJP]

In my opinion, Collins should be the prime target. I'm just not sure the Mavs have the tools to make a trade. The Hawks will want a lot and we don't have the assets that other teams do.

If the Hawks hold onto him as a restricted free agent, the Mavs would need to outbid the Hawks with a max contract. I'd be OK with that, but I'm guessing the Hawks will try to get something for him at the trade deadline. The saving grace might be if the Hawks think have a good shot in the playoffs. They will need him for that. It's why they might not trade him.

If they don't trade him, then I think the Mavs throw everything they have at him as a RFA. They have fewer competitors then.

[JD45]

In my opinion, Collins should be the prime target. I'm just not sure the Mavs have the tools to make a trade. The Hawks will want a lot and we don't have the assets that other teams do.

If the Hawks hold onto him as a restricted free agent, the Mavs would need to outbid the Hawks with a max contract. I'd be OK with that, but I'm guessing the Hawks will try to get something for him at the trade deadline. The saving grace might be if the Hawks think have a good shot in the playoffs. They will need him for that. It's why they might not trade him.

If they don't trade him, then I think the Mavs throw everything they have at him as a RFA. They have fewer competitors then.

While I agree that Collins would be a great addition, the Mavs are unlikely to try to RFA route. To do that, they would have to renounce bird rights on THJ, convince JRich to either not exercise his player option or renounce him, decline WCS player option and potentially stretch/waive Powell (depending on what JRich) does. Thats just to make the offer to Collins. Then they have to wait to see if he signs it. During that time THJ and any other good free agents are likely signing elsewhere. And since I don't think the Hawks keep Collins past the trade deadline unless they are willing to match a max RFA offer, the Mavs likely end up with nothing. Its a lot of risk for very little chance of success.

[Mr B]

People forget that the trade for Richardson was to clear Curry's contract off the books while getting a wing player in the process. Richardson can opt out and that essentially is an expiring contract. Along with THJ and James Johnson walking, that's instantly a max slot.

So I dont get the overanalysis with Richardson when even management is open to not having him and James Johnson back next year if they walk.

Max slot for who? Curry and THJ are the only shooters Mavs had. Curry had very friendly contract too. Where would you get great shooter for under 8 mio per year? You need to get rid of Curry's contract, while you gave 33/3 to Powell 1 year before? THJ is the only reason Mavs are still alive this season. Where went a theory to surround Luka with shooters? Empty Max slots are not playing basketball. Mavs management should get rid of their contracts first, we should have empty max management slot.

They won’t be able to add a top tier player but they could add a couple of really good players. If they want they can add John Collins. Now could they also add a guy like Evan Fournier? That would be two really good additions. Even if it’s neither Collins or Fournier there will be other 2nd tier guys they can add.


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[Bob8]

People forget that the trade for Richardson was to clear Curry's contract off the books while getting a wing player in the process. Richardson can opt out and that essentially is an expiring contract. Along with THJ and James Johnson walking, that's instantly a max slot.

So I dont get the overanalysis with Richardson when even management is open to not having him and James Johnson back next year if they walk.

Max slot for who? Curry and THJ are the only shooters Mavs had. Curry had very friendly contract too. Where would you get great shooter for under 8 mio per year? You need to get rid of Curry's contract, while you gave 33/3 to Powell 1 year before? THJ is the only reason Mavs are still alive this season. Where went a theory to surround Luka with shooters? Empty Max slots are not playing basketball. Mavs management should get rid of their contracts first, we should have empty max management slot.

They won’t be able to add a top tier player but they could add a couple of really good players. If they want they can add John Collins. Now could they also add a guy like Evan Fournier? That would be two really good additions. Even if it’s neither Collins or Fournier there will be other 2nd tier guys they can add.


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I'm not sure how far you can get with KP and Collins with max. Don't forget Luka will get max soon.

[Mr B]

Collins apparently available.

Likely won't be enough but go hard after him whilst trying to save the expiring guys.

Brunson, Green and picks? Not sure how far that gets us.

Send Johnson for a multi year rotation guy.

Then resign THJ, Richardson and Collins in the summer.

Full MLE is available to add another rotation guy.

That's quite a lineup, potentially. If expensive.

If they can get him in a trade for a couple of the expiring contracts wouldn’t that be better? They would still have to sign him but would have the upper hand at being able to resign him.


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[Mr B]

Max slot for who? Curry and THJ are the only shooters Mavs had. Curry had very friendly contract too. Where would you get great shooter for under 8 mio per year? You need to get rid of Curry's contract, while you gave 33/3 to Powell 1 year before? THJ is the only reason Mavs are still alive this season. Where went a theory to surround Luka with shooters? Empty Max slots are not playing basketball. Mavs management should get rid of their contracts first, we should have empty max management slot.

They won’t be able to add a top tier player but they could add a couple of really good players. If they want they can add John Collins. Now could they also add a guy like Evan Fournier? That would be two really good additions. Even if it’s neither Collins or Fournier there will be other 2nd tier guys they can add.


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I'm not sure how far you can get with KP and Collins with max. Don't forget Luka will get max soon.

KP will be coming off soon too. He has 2 years left after this season. He should become an asset in second season because he’ll be an expiring contract. He has really 1 year left to show he’s got something. If not he’s gone.


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[jpengland]

Collins apparently available.

Likely won't be enough but go hard after him whilst trying to save the expiring guys.

Brunson, Green and picks? Not sure how far that gets us.

Send Johnson for a multi year rotation guy.

Then resign THJ, Richardson and Collins in the summer.

Full MLE is available to add another rotation guy.

That's quite a lineup, potentially. If expensive.

If they can get him in a trade for a couple of the expiring contracts wouldn’t that be better? They would still have to sign him but would have the upper hand at being able to resign him.


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He makes next to nothing as a rookie and so would have to take more salary back.

This way we get Collins and can keep Richardson and THJ and our full MLE, operating as an over the cap team with the cap holds.

Johnson remains an expiring asset to find another rotation level player with.

[jpengland]

In my opinion, Collins should be the prime target. I'm just not sure the Mavs have the tools to make a trade. The Hawks will want a lot and we don't have the assets that other teams do.

If the Hawks hold onto him as a restricted free agent, the Mavs would need to outbid the Hawks with a max contract. I'd be OK with that, but I'm guessing the Hawks will try to get something for him at the trade deadline. The saving grace might be if the Hawks think have a good shot in the playoffs. They will need him for that. It's why they might not trade him.

If they don't trade him, then I think the Mavs throw everything they have at him as a RFA. They have fewer competitors then.

While I agree that Collins would be a great addition, the Mavs are unlikely to try to RFA route. To do that, they would have to renounce bird rights on THJ, convince JRich to either not exercise his player option or renounce him, decline WCS player option and potentially stretch/waive Powell (depending on what JRich) does. Thats just to make the offer to Collins. Then they have to wait to see if he signs it. During that time THJ and any other good free agents are likely signing elsewhere. And since I don't think the Hawks keep Collins past the trade deadline unless they are willing to match a max RFA offer, the Mavs likely end up with nothing. Its a lot of risk for very little chance of success.

This.

Hunting any serious Free Agent involves losing THJ and Richardson and having only the room MLE. Made sense when Giannis was an option but not now

We should be moving Johnson for a longer term deal and operating as an 9ver the cap team to keep THJ, Richardson and a full MLE.

[JJP]

In my opinion, Collins should be the prime target. I'm just not sure the Mavs have the tools to make a trade. The Hawks will want a lot and we don't have the assets that other teams do.

If the Hawks hold onto him as a restricted free agent, the Mavs would need to outbid the Hawks with a max contract. I'd be OK with that, but I'm guessing the Hawks will try to get something for him at the trade deadline. The saving grace might be if the Hawks think have a good shot in the playoffs. They will need him for that. It's why they might not trade him.

If they don't trade him, then I think the Mavs throw everything they have at him as a RFA. They have fewer competitors then.

While I agree that Collins would be a great addition, the Mavs are unlikely to try to RFA route. To do that, they would have to renounce bird rights on THJ, convince JRich to either not exercise his player option or renounce him, decline WCS player option and potentially stretch/waive Powell (depending on what JRich) does. Thats just to make the offer to Collins. Then they have to wait to see if he signs it. During that time THJ and any other good free agents are likely signing elsewhere. And since I don't think the Hawks keep Collins past the trade deadline unless they are willing to match a max RFA offer, the Mavs likely end up with nothing. Its a lot of risk for very little chance of success.

Actually, I think they would have to make a trade (or trades) at the deadline to help facilitate going after Collins in free agency. I think most of the things you mention are solvable, but it's a two-part strategy.

The Mavs have always intended to have cap space this off-season. I can't believe that going after Collins is a problem they can't handle.

[ejs78]

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[arkuo]

If Milwaukee doesn't make it far, and chances are they won't. Jrue Holiday has a player option he can opt out from for this summer.

Is he max worthy? near max?

[Fotis St]

If Milwaukee doesn't make it far, and chances are they won't. Jrue Holiday has a player option he can opt out from for this summer.

Is he max worthy? near max?

Bucks fan here on friendly mode.

Would you be interested to swap Khris Middleton with Porzingis ?

KP and Giannis were friends and maybe those 2 all stars (Khris&KP) improve with a change of scenery.

I was thinking about this deal :

Khris Middleton, Brook Lopez and Donte Divincenzo for Kristaps Porzingis and Tim Hardaway Jr

What are your thoughts in terms of value and players fit ? Thank you.

[dirkforpres]

If Milwaukee doesn't make it far, and chances are they won't. Jrue Holiday has a player option he can opt out from for this summer.

Is he max worthy? near max?

Bucks fan here on friendly mode.

Would you be interested to swap Khris Middleton with Porzingis ?

KP and Giannis were friends and maybe those 2 all stars (Khris&KP) improve with a change of scenery.

I was thinking about this deal :

Khris Middleton, Brook Lopez and Donte Divincenzo for Kristaps Porzingis and Tim Hardaway Jr

What are your thoughts in terms of value and players fit ? Thank you.

Seems like an overpay for Milwaukee, but I think it would be great for Dallas. Leaves them extremely thin at C, but it gives Luka 2 players he can truly count on to hit an open shot