Bears 2019/20; George McCaskey is on the clock

[dice]

What? We already have a better quarterback that was directly opposite of him in Patrick Mahomes.

mahomes is certainly a lot more talented. a lot of guys are. but brady has been maximizing his talents for over 20 years now, with no end in sight. if mahomes can do the same over the long haul, then he may well be considered BETTER than brady when all is said and done

It all depends on how you structure the discussion. Brady is the most accomplished and successful quarterback in NFL history and it’s highly likely that he always will be. His team accomplishments are mind boggling. When you compare that success to others, it’s like looking at Babe Ruth stats.

If you are talking who the most talented and “best” quarterbacks are, it’s not Brady. It’s already Mahomes and it’s not close. No quarterback in the history of the NFL has ever played the position at the level Mahomes has already played it. If you are talking about peak play, he’s already the greatest of all time.

But will he play until he’s in his mid-40s and have all the things fall into place properly to be able to challenge Brady’s career team-oriented accomplishments? I’d bet that has almost no chance of happening. But he’s already the “best” to ever play. Which is bonkers.

i would say that you start a franchise with "best" as opposed to most talented, which is probably mahomes. is decision making and ability to adjust to new teammates a talent? because that's what makes brady special and arguably the best ever at his position

i think that if you ask nfl experts who they would rather start a franchise with at age 22 or whatever, there would be quite a divide in the responses. i'd probably go with mahomes, particularly given that brady himself has said that circumstances played a big part in his success. then again, mahomes has been surrounded by loads of talent thus far, which is quite helpful in the development of a young QB

[patryk7754]

Cut Leno, Massie, Graham, Skrine, and Wims. This would lead to 22.992.446 in cap
Restructure Mack, Quinn, and Trevathan to add more cap space. I think 10mil is reasonable
Extend Fuller and Hicks and save money this season by doing so. Also saves around 10 mil. Now we have 42.992.446 in cap

Three Team Trade
Wentz, Two bears 1sts and 1 bears 2nd to the Texans
Anthony Miller, Nick Foles, and a bears 3rd to the Eagles
Watson to the Bears

This trade cost us 7.996.618 in cap for the 2021 season leaving us with 34.995.828

Resign Robinson to 17mi in 2021
Sign two Tackles and fill out the defense as much as possible with the remaining space

Draft a pass rusher in the second

[patryk7754]

Orlando Brown wants to be traded. I've been saying he's probably going to be traded this offseason. I think if a quality player and a 2nd would get the job done. The best thing might be that he's still on his rookie contract

[dice]

todd mcshay's mock draft has bears trading up to #12 to take mac jones

[fleet]

todd mcshay's mock draft has bears trading up to #12 to take mac jones

out of all the QB scenarios, this makes the most practical sense

[dice]

todd mcshay's mock draft has bears trading up to #12 to take mac jones

out of all the QB scenarios, this makes the most practical sense

the problem is that it would look like pace was pulling a trubisky 2.0, just smaller stakes. jones was even a 1 yr college starter like trubisky. and it's not the kind of move that would be likely to save pace's job unless jones turned in a justin herbert-like rookie year

[CjayC]

I like Jones a lot. He throws a real accurate deep ball, better than Lawrence even from what I'm seeing in the footage. I just don't know if you trade up for him. I'd almost rather suck it out, and pick at the top end of the '22 draft vs giving up assets to move up. I get the feeling that the McCaskey's like them and their job isn't in as much danger as the external pressure that's being put on them, so they may not feel the need to make any drastic moves yet. I don't envy Pace or Nagy right now, they've got some tough decisions to make.

[Indomitable]

I like Jones a lot. He throws a real accurate deep ball, better than Lawrence even from what I'm seeing in the footage. I just don't know if you trade up for him. I'd almost rather suck it out, and pick at the top end of the '22 draft vs giving up assets to move up. I get the feeling that the McCaskey's like them and their job isn't in as much danger as the external pressure that's being put on them, so they may not feel the need to make any drastic moves yet. I don't envy Pace or Nagy right now, they've got some tough decisions to make.

Screw Pace.

He waited 3 years to draft the perfect quarterback. He managed to draft the only failure out of 3 players. He chose the oldest, with the worst resume, and show least amount of leadership. Plus he gave up assets to get him.

Pace has been a drafted one real pro bowler. The players who stepped up were signed, traded for, or were drafted prior to his arrival.

He also stupidly has miss manage the cap. Pace deserves to be fired.

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todd mcshay's mock draft has bears trading up to #12 to take mac jones

out of all the QB scenarios, this makes the most practical sense

the problem is that it would look like pace was pulling a trubisky 2.0, just smaller stakes. jones was even a 1 yr college starter like trubisky. and it's not the kind of move that would be likely to save pace's job unless jones turned in a justin herbert-like rookie year

Yup. Seems like George McCaskey screwed the team out of an option, probably the best option.

[Chi town]

Problem w Jones is he’s not mobile. He has to be as smart and accurate as Brady and Brees to be a winner.

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We’re down the rabbit hole

[dice]

Problem w Jones is he’s not mobile. He has to be as smart and accurate as Brady and Brees to be a winner.

and the bears O-line is questionable. which would be fine if jones was going to be a backup for a year or two and that issue could be straightened out. but if the bears draft a QB in the first round he's getting thrown directly into the fire

[Dresden]

Problem w Jones is he’s not mobile. He has to be as smart and accurate as Brady and Brees to be a winner.

Or as strong as Rothlisberger.

[nomorezorro]

todd mcshay's mock draft has bears trading up to #12 to take mac jones

trading up to #12 to draft the fifth-ranked qb prospect in the draft — and doing so just because he's the last one available with a first-round grade — would absolutely drive me crazy

at this point i think if you can't get a needle-moving QB without giving up a first round pick, i'd rather just focus on other offensive areas of need and roll with a short-term free agent QB like fitzpatrick

[Chicago-Bull-E]

I’m not a Mac Jones guy. Had the best offensive line in football, best receiver in football, best running back, and feasted against a down year for the SEC. A one year starter, and never was really a blip on the radar for playing time when Tua was there, a guy that is off to a bit of a rocky start in the NFL.

If he falls to 20 and all of the best offensive line prospects are gone, I won’t be crushed I guess. But trading up? Seems silly.

[Almost Retired]

todd mcshay's mock draft has bears trading up to #12 to take mac jones

trading up to #12 to draft the fifth-ranked qb prospect in the draft — and doing so just because he's the last one available with a first-round grade — would absolutely drive me crazy

at this point i think if you can't get a needle-moving QB without giving up a first round pick, i'd rather just focus on other offensive areas of need and roll with a short-term free agent QB like fitzpatrick

You could put Mahomes on the Bears and we'd still be an 8-8 Team. Without an effective O-Line in the Super Bowl Mahomes was running for his life on half the snaps. Do what Jim Finks would do. Build an awesome O-Line with depth. Then get a quarterback to benefit from it. No current QB or Prospect, no matter how good they may be, is going to succeed long term without strong line play. We need to protect the passer better and absolutely cut down on drive killing penalties with the false starts and holding calls. And this doesn't solve all our offensive woes. Even with a stronger O Line who exactly is our QB going to throw to?

[Susan]

I like Jones a lot. He throws a real accurate deep ball, better than Lawrence even from what I'm seeing in the footage. I just don't know if you trade up for him. I'd almost rather suck it out, and pick at the top end of the '22 draft vs giving up assets to move up. I get the feeling that the McCaskey's like them and their job isn't in as much danger as the external pressure that's being put on them, so they may not feel the need to make any drastic moves yet. I don't envy Pace or Nagy right now, they've got some tough decisions to make.

Screw Pace.

He waited 3 years to draft the perfect quarterback. He managed to draft the only failure out of 3 players. He chose the oldest, with the worst resume, and show least amount of leadership. Plus he gave up assets to get him.

Pace has been a drafted one real pro bowler. The players who stepped up were signed, traded for, or were drafted prior to his arrival.

He also stupidly has miss manage the cap. Pace deserves to be fired.

You know the internet works, right?

Eddie Jackson - drafted by Pace, pro-bowler
Akiem Hicks - signed by Pace, pro-bowler
Khalil Mack - traded for by Pace, pro-bowler
Tarik Cohen - drafted by Pace, pro-bowler
Cordalle Patterson - signed by Pace, pro-bowler

The only person remaining from the Emery era is Kyle Fuller.

[Dresden]

todd mcshay's mock draft has bears trading up to #12 to take mac jones

trading up to #12 to draft the fifth-ranked qb prospect in the draft — and doing so just because he's the last one available with a first-round grade — would absolutely drive me crazy

at this point i think if you can't get a needle-moving QB without giving up a first round pick, i'd rather just focus on other offensive areas of need and roll with a short-term free agent QB like fitzpatrick

You could put Mahomes on the Bears and we'd still be an 8-8 Team. Without an effective O-Line in the Super Bowl Mahomes was running for his life on half the snaps. Do what Jim Finks would do. Build an awesome O-Line with depth. Then get a quarterback to benefit from it. No current QB or Prospect, no matter how good they may be, is going to succeed long term without strong line play. We need to protect the passer better and absolutely cut down on drive killing penalties with the false starts and holding calls. And this doesn't solve all our offensive woes. Even with a stronger O Line who exactly is our QB going to throw to?

There is a lot of truth to that. It seems like the new philosophy in the NFL is: get an elite QB who can move around so protection is not THAT critical, get a few elite receivers/TE's, skimp on RB, patch together a line out of spare parts and mid round picks and hope they click somehow.

Teams/fans just don't have the patience to spend 2-3 drafts picking up lineman at the top of the draft. We blew it by not investing more high picks on the O line over the last 5 years, and now we're in a real hole in that department. Better to just bite the bullet though, and start doing it now. Make an O line pick in the top 2-3 rounds every year for the next 4 drafts, and just wait for them to mature. That's why I am on board with a guy like Wentz for our QB, if he can be had cheap enough. No use mortgaging the future for a guy when we don't have a line that can protect him.

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