Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VII: Magic Expected To Retain Core

[Skybox]

I want Gary Trent in any potential Bamba/ Gordon trade

yeah, but why does Portland do that?

This could have some legs...As good as Trent has been:
1. He's going to get paid this offseason, he declined an extension, POR already has way too much $$$ in their backcourt.
2. Simons is coming along, which could ease the pain of losing Trent
3. CJ is out but will be back. Many feel that, due to his relationship with Dame and FO, he's off the table
4. Roco hasn't been all they hoped defensively or as a shooter, AG could get a look. We could take his $$ back to balance trade.
5. It's Dame time, but won't be for many more years...they've got to do something.

If ORL REALLY believes Trent has star qualities, not just role player...maybe they should pony up and understand they'll be paying him at least Evan money next summer. I'm good with that with Evan likely out anyway. I don't know if Trent has a complete game but the few times I've watched, he looked solid on both ends...Plus, Pepe hates everybody in the NBA except him so...let's go
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7396987

[pepe1991]

https://fb.watch/3DC9VHN02r/

i don't know will link work, but it's pure gold

[pepe1991]

I want Gary Trent in any potential Bamba/ Gordon trade

yeah, but why does Portland do that?

This could have some legs...As good as Trent has been:
1. He's going to get paid this offseason, he declined an extension, POR already has way too much $$$ in their backcourt.
2. Simons is coming along, which could ease the pain of losing Trent
3. CJ is out but will be back. Many feel that, due to his relationship with Dame and FO, he's off the table
4. Roco hasn't been all they hoped defensively or as a shooter, AG could get a look. We could take his $$ back to balance trade.
5. It's Dame time, but won't be for many more years...they've got to do something.

If ORL REALLY believes Trent has star qualities, not just role player...maybe they should pony up and understand they'll be paying him at least Evan money next summer. I'm good with that with Evan likely out anyway. I don't know if Trent has a complete game but the few times I've watched, he looked solid on both ends...Plus, Pepe hates everybody in the NBA except him so...let's go
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7396987

Yep, Blazers commited way too much money on Lillard and McCullum to keep Trent and pay super high luxury tax for player that on healthy roster won't log more than 15-18 mpg at most

[Skybox]

I have heard very few (rational) people disagree with trading AG and Evan. The real dividing line among us is Vuc. That's probably a better poll question but, to be useful, it would have to specify for what...some would call two frp's from a contender to be good value. I don't.

[jonbob17]

I want Gary Trent in any potential Bamba/ Gordon trade

yeah, but why does Portland do that?

This could have some legs...As good as Trent has been:
1. He's going to get paid this offseason, he declined an extension, POR already has way too much $$$ in their backcourt.
2. Simons is coming along, which could ease the pain of losing Trent
3. CJ is out but will be back. Many feel that, due to his relationship with Dame and FO, he's off the table
4. Roco hasn't been all they hoped defensively or as a shooter, AG could get a look. We could take his $$ back to balance trade.
5. It's Dame time, but won't be for many more years...they've got to do something.

If ORL REALLY believes Trent has star qualities, not just role player...maybe they should pony up and understand they'll be paying him at least Evan money next summer. I'm good with that with Evan likely out anyway. I don't know if Trent has a complete game but the few times I've watched, he looked solid on both ends...Plus, Pepe hates everybody in the NBA except him so...let's go
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7396987

I think Portland keeps Trent. I think he will be cheaper than Beasley was last year.
I don't see how anybody could say Simons is coming along. Frankly he is a good example of how bad an undersized SG is in this league. Has to be in the running for worst rotation player in the league, Orlando surely has a few finalists as well.

Portland should be a good warning to any teams thinking they can build around 2 undersized guards, speaking specifically to those who want to play Cole next to Fultz (who does have ok size). Lillard is an all-timer and they still start at a disadvantage because of him and CJ playing together.

Portland just has to ride this team out. They are a fun team, but they won't be a contender anytime soon. Too entertaining to blow up though.

[tiderulz]

yeah, but why does Portland do that?

This could have some legs...As good as Trent has been:
1. He's going to get paid this offseason, he declined an extension, POR already has way too much $$$ in their backcourt.
2. Simons is coming along, which could ease the pain of losing Trent
3. CJ is out but will be back. Many feel that, due to his relationship with Dame and FO, he's off the table
4. Roco hasn't been all they hoped defensively or as a shooter, AG could get a look. We could take his $$ back to balance trade.
5. It's Dame time, but won't be for many more years...they've got to do something.

If ORL REALLY believes Trent has star qualities, not just role player...maybe they should pony up and understand they'll be paying him at least Evan money next summer. I'm good with that with Evan likely out anyway. I don't know if Trent has a complete game but the few times I've watched, he looked solid on both ends...Plus, Pepe hates everybody in the NBA except him so...let's go
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7396987

I think Portland keeps Trent. I think he will be cheaper than Beasley was last year.
I don't see how anybody could say Simons is coming along. Frankly he is a good example of how bad an undersized SG is in this league. Has to be in the running for worst rotation player in the league, Orlando surely has a few finalists as well.

Portland should be a good warning to any teams thinking they can build around 2 undersized guards, speaking specifically to those who want to play Cole next to Fultz (who does have ok size). Lillard is an all-timer and they still start at a disadvantage because of him and CJ playing together.

Portland just has to ride this team out. They are a fun team, but they won't be a contender anytime soon. Too entertaining to blow up though.

i think he goes more for like a Brogdon contract. he'll get more than Beasley

[basketballRob]

This could have some legs...As good as Trent has been:
1. He's going to get paid this offseason, he declined an extension, POR already has way too much $$$ in their backcourt.
2. Simons is coming along, which could ease the pain of losing Trent
3. CJ is out but will be back. Many feel that, due to his relationship with Dame and FO, he's off the table
4. Roco hasn't been all they hoped defensively or as a shooter, AG could get a look. We could take his $$ back to balance trade.
5. It's Dame time, but won't be for many more years...they've got to do something.

If ORL REALLY believes Trent has star qualities, not just role player...maybe they should pony up and understand they'll be paying him at least Evan money next summer. I'm good with that with Evan likely out anyway. I don't know if Trent has a complete game but the few times I've watched, he looked solid on both ends...Plus, Pepe hates everybody in the NBA except him so...let's go
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7396987

I think Portland keeps Trent. I think he will be cheaper than Beasley was last year.
I don't see how anybody could say Simons is coming along. Frankly he is a good example of how bad an undersized SG is in this league. Has to be in the running for worst rotation player in the league, Orlando surely has a few finalists as well.

Portland should be a good warning to any teams thinking they can build around 2 undersized guards, speaking specifically to those who want to play Cole next to Fultz (who does have ok size). Lillard is an all-timer and they still start at a disadvantage because of him and CJ playing together.

Portland just has to ride this team out. They are a fun team, but they won't be a contender anytime soon. Too entertaining to blow up though.

i think he goes more for like a Brogdon contract. he'll get more than Beasley

No way Portland keeps Trent, they're right up against the luxury tax threshold. We can't really afford to make a deal for him either.

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[RookieStar]

Agree.. unless they make some moves to free up space, they can't afford Trent. Unfortnately it applies to us. We can't afford him either unless we get rid of .. Aminu? with Evan.

[basketballRob]

Agree.. unless they make some moves to free up space, they can't afford Trent. Unfortnately it applies to us. We can't afford him either unless we get rid of .. Aminu? with Evan.

Not sure who would take Aminu for an expiring.

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[RookieStar]

yeah, but why does Portland do that?

This could have some legs...As good as Trent has been:
1. He's going to get paid this offseason, he declined an extension, POR already has way too much $$$ in their backcourt.
2. Simons is coming along, which could ease the pain of losing Trent
3. CJ is out but will be back. Many feel that, due to his relationship with Dame and FO, he's off the table
4. Roco hasn't been all they hoped defensively or as a shooter, AG could get a look. We could take his $$ back to balance trade.
5. It's Dame time, but won't be for many more years...they've got to do something.

If ORL REALLY believes Trent has star qualities, not just role player...maybe they should pony up and understand they'll be paying him at least Evan money next summer. I'm good with that with Evan likely out anyway. I don't know if Trent has a complete game but the few times I've watched, he looked solid on both ends...Plus, Pepe hates everybody in the NBA except him so...let's go
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7396987

I think Portland keeps Trent. I think he will be cheaper than Beasley was last year.
I don't see how anybody could say Simons is coming along. Frankly he is a good example of how bad an undersized SG is in this league. Has to be in the running for worst rotation player in the league, Orlando surely has a few finalists as well.

Portland should be a good warning to any teams thinking they can build around 2 undersized guards, speaking specifically to those who want to play Cole next to Fultz (who does have ok size). Lillard is an all-timer and they still start at a disadvantage because of him and CJ playing together.

Portland just has to ride this team out. They are a fun team, but they won't be a contender anytime soon. Too entertaining to blow up though.

I actually thought that its because their 2 undersized guards don't want to play defense and not because they are undersized that cost them wins. Fultz actually has a SG-body ( he is 6'4 and one of the best SG in Dwade is only 6'4 in Jameer's shoes ) while Cole, when he fills out could be considered an above average PG in his 6'2-6'3 frame.

[MasterGMer]

I think we will play 3 guard lineup or double PG lineup more when Fultz comes back next season. Cole and Fultz can be interchangeable on the court

[jonbob17]

This could have some legs...As good as Trent has been:
1. He's going to get paid this offseason, he declined an extension, POR already has way too much $$$ in their backcourt.
2. Simons is coming along, which could ease the pain of losing Trent
3. CJ is out but will be back. Many feel that, due to his relationship with Dame and FO, he's off the table
4. Roco hasn't been all they hoped defensively or as a shooter, AG could get a look. We could take his $$ back to balance trade.
5. It's Dame time, but won't be for many more years...they've got to do something.

If ORL REALLY believes Trent has star qualities, not just role player...maybe they should pony up and understand they'll be paying him at least Evan money next summer. I'm good with that with Evan likely out anyway. I don't know if Trent has a complete game but the few times I've watched, he looked solid on both ends...Plus, Pepe hates everybody in the NBA except him so...let's go
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7396987

I think Portland keeps Trent. I think he will be cheaper than Beasley was last year.
I don't see how anybody could say Simons is coming along. Frankly he is a good example of how bad an undersized SG is in this league. Has to be in the running for worst rotation player in the league, Orlando surely has a few finalists as well.

Portland should be a good warning to any teams thinking they can build around 2 undersized guards, speaking specifically to those who want to play Cole next to Fultz (who does have ok size). Lillard is an all-timer and they still start at a disadvantage because of him and CJ playing together.

Portland just has to ride this team out. They are a fun team, but they won't be a contender anytime soon. Too entertaining to blow up though.

I actually thought that its because their 2 undersized guards don't want to play defense and not because they are undersized that cost them wins. Fultz actually has a SG-body ( he is 6'4 and one of the best SG in Dwade is only 6'4 in Jameer's shoes ) while Cole, when he fills out could be considered an above average PG in his 6'2-6'3 frame.

I agree Fultz has the size to guard multiple positions, he has just been really underwhelming on that end so far. My understanding of official measurements is Fultz is 6'3", but big for that size pg, and Cole is 6'1.5" and clearly tries hard. So basically they are exactly the same size as Dame and CJ, Fultz is thicker.

I think Portland's guards try, at least sometimes. Lillard has a pretty big load on offense. They just are not good at defending, and the rest of the team has to make up for them.

For as bad as every one says Fournier is on defense, and he has looked awful at times this year. He still has the size and agility to guard multiple positions when he gets switched off.

[RookieStar]

I think Portland keeps Trent. I think he will be cheaper than Beasley was last year.
I don't see how anybody could say Simons is coming along. Frankly he is a good example of how bad an undersized SG is in this league. Has to be in the running for worst rotation player in the league, Orlando surely has a few finalists as well.

Portland should be a good warning to any teams thinking they can build around 2 undersized guards, speaking specifically to those who want to play Cole next to Fultz (who does have ok size). Lillard is an all-timer and they still start at a disadvantage because of him and CJ playing together.

Portland just has to ride this team out. They are a fun team, but they won't be a contender anytime soon. Too entertaining to blow up though.

I actually thought that its because their 2 undersized guards don't want to play defense and not because they are undersized that cost them wins. Fultz actually has a SG-body ( he is 6'4 and one of the best SG in Dwade is only 6'4 in Jameer's shoes ) while Cole, when he fills out could be considered an above average PG in his 6'2-6'3 frame.

I agree Fultz has the size to guard multiple positions, he has just been really underwhelming on that end so far. My understanding of official measurements is Fultz is 6'3", but big for that size pg, and Cole is 6'1.5" and clearly tries hard. So basically they are exactly the same size as Dame and CJ, Fultz is thicker.

I think Portland's guards try, at least sometimes. Lillard has a pretty big load on offense. They just are not good at defending, and the rest of the team has to make up for them.

For as bad as every one says Fournier is on defense, and he has looked awful at times this year. He still has the size and agility to guard multiple positions when he gets switched off.

Fultz is supposedly 6'3 barefoot, Cole 6'1\1/2-6'2 barefoot. Thus in NBA you call Fultz 6'4 and Cole 6'3. Anyway yeah, I agree its about effort. I see the effort on Cole plus Fultz tries to play D. I mean unlike some or most of the guard I see in the league, Fultz bumps and grind his man on D.

[jonbob17]

i think he goes more for like a Brogdon contract. he'll get more than Beasley

This is probably an over simplification:
Per 36:
Beasley pre all star break/ trade 16.7/4.1/2.4 with 1.4 steals
Trent Jr. 18.1/2.1/2.2 with 1.1 steals

I guess I figured they were pretty similar

Brogdon per 36 the year he got traded for reference 19.7/5.7/4.0 with 0.9 steals. The difference with Brogdon was that he showed he could be the lead ball handler.

[Blue_and_Whte]

And probably because he’s an All Star.. IDK...

Just ignore him. Every post is some anti-Vuc or Fournier post. I've given up debating with him on those two players awhile ago.

The fact that he compared Vuc to Alex Len should be enough evidence to show how hard it is to debate with someone like that about those two players.

Do you have one legit source that's predicting he'll be an allstar? I hope he makes it.

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His statistics... Also All Star team voting is bull and every single person in here knows it. He’s putting up All Star numbers and is currently a top 5 center in the league.

[SOUL]

It's not an issue of Vuc playing like an all star or not (he is), teams with trash records don't often get in so it is a valid question to ask

[basketballRob]

Just ignore him. Every post is some anti-Vuc or Fournier post. I've given up debating with him on those two players awhile ago.

The fact that he compared Vuc to Alex Len should be enough evidence to show how hard it is to debate with someone like that about those two players.

Do you have one legit source that's predicting he'll be an allstar? I hope he makes it.

Read on Twitter

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His statistics... Also All Star team voting is bull and every single person in here knows it. He’s putting up All Star numbers and is currently a top 5 center in the league.

I could see a lot of the players not going this year, because of covid19 and compressed season schedule.


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[pepe1991]

i don't think Adebayo should be allstar over Vuc. They had their fair share of injuries, but nowhere near as bad as Magic, he puts up worst individual stats and Heat has 1 win more than Magic, who are missing 4 of 5 starters.

In general Heat trip to finals looks like complete fluke, especially when Dragic is out, their offense is trash.

Vuc is hands down top 5 center, not really arguable.

That being said, i don't see purpose of allstar game this year. Allstar game, imo, was always just show for fans and way more enteraining to watch live, than watch on TV. What's the point of AS weekend if fans can't attend? I don't get it.

[Skybox]

They should absolutely do the All-Star voting and recognize the players...the event is unnecessary this year and, IMO, just adds more risk (not just their individual health but support staff, missed games and revenue, this is BIG business keeping league play alive-ASG is a party)

[basketballRob]

In the east I think Vuc, Lavine, Randle, and Beal are all on the bubble.

The good thing about having an allstar game this year is maybe 4 or 5 players won't go. This will allow more players to be recognized as allstars.

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