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Re: KNICKS - Houston PG 

Post#121 » by F N 11 » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:26 am

RJ need to get back to his mid range game. Forcing it too much! Need to let it fly.
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Re: KNICKS - Houston PG 

Post#122 » by Chanel Bomber » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:26 am

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Chanel Bomber wrote:Let me say this, I hope this organization doesn't put Quickley in a box as a bench player long-term.

You can definitely make the argument Quickley deserved to start earlier this year. Since the Rose trade, he now has not one but two nominal PGs playing ahead of him as Rose entered the game for Payton before him.

i don't want to put those expectations on IQ but he reminds me a little of Billups and CJ. The jumpshot, the ability to draw fouls and the quick first step are a deadly combination. Now it's on the Knicks to develop his playmaking skills.

I really like Quick off the bench right now. Randle’s usage is so damn high and RJ also needs touches. IQ would be relegated to escape valve. Right now, he can just focus on one thing—score. Great way to narrow his role while he’s young. Plenty of years ahead to become a starter.

I'm fine with IQ coming off the bench.

I would just rather see him play more and on the ball a little bit more.

Basically I want to see a three-guard rotation of Rose-IQ-Burks (with RJ and Bullock on the wings) where one of Rose or IQ is on the floor at all times, and they stagger their minutes so that Rose and IQ share the court for 8 minutes per half.

It's perfectly feasible imo.
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Re: KNICKS - Houston PG 

Post#123 » by cgmw » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:39 am

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Chanel Bomber wrote:Let me say this, I hope this organization doesn't put Quickley in a box as a bench player long-term.

You can definitely make the argument Quickley deserved to start earlier this year. Since the Rose trade, he now has not one but two nominal PGs playing ahead of him as Rose entered the game for Payton before him.

i don't want to put those expectations on IQ but he reminds me a little of Billups and CJ. The jumpshot, the ability to draw fouls and the quick first step are a deadly combination. Now it's on the Knicks to develop his playmaking skills.

I really like Quick off the bench right now. Randle’s usage is so damn high and RJ also needs touches. IQ would be relegated to escape valve. Right now, he can just focus on one thing—score. Great way to narrow his role while he’s young. Plenty of years ahead to become a starter.

I'm fine with IQ coming off the bench.

I would just rather see him play more and on the ball a little bit more.

Basically I want to see a three-guard rotation of Rose-IQ-Burks (with RJ and Bullock on the wings) where one of Rose or IQ is on the floor at all times, and they stagger their minutes so that Rose and IQ share the court for 8 minutes per half.

It's perfectly feasible imo.

I tried to wrap my brain around that but then realized that Tom Thibs is a pretty good coach. Whatever he’s doing for IQ seems to be working. All of a sudden it makes sense having a terrible PG start.
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Re: KNICKS - Houston PG 

Post#124 » by Fat Kat » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:42 am

Spree2Houston wrote:RJ really should be coming off the bench with the 2nd unit. Part of his struggle is due to poor spacing with the starting 5. I would let Burks start and let Rose, Quickley, Barrett Toppin and Gibson come in as the 2nd unit.


Or we could bench Payton and improve the spacing of the starting unit. We shouldn’t shuffle lineups to hide Payton’s deficiencies.
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Re: KNICKS - Houston PG 

Post#125 » by oldshoolballer » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:47 am

The Knicks are a tale of 2 teams The slow boring but good defensively starting team and the exciting dynamic fast paced bench unit.
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Re: KNICKS - Houston PG 

Post#126 » by knicksNOTslick » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:49 am

There's nothing wrong with Quickly playing off ball at times. I like having 2 PGs (or another playmaker) in the lineup especially if both are outside threats.
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Re: KNICKS - Houston PG 

Post#127 » by Black and Blue » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:51 am

DowNY wrote:This was RJ’s 83rd game btw
Inconsistency is still going to happen. When he’s on, he’s on. We winning and Thibs is doing the right thing with him. The long game.

As for throwing RJ in any deal for Beal or LaVine, I still prefer LaVine & we’d have to keep a pick or 2. And I’d only do it if we’re promised Kawhi between LaVine & Randle.


It’s tough because you can see in RJ’s body language he gets really down on himself when he slumps like this. Then he tries so hard to overcome it that he makes it worse. This sort of thing is ok so long as he has good coaches in his ear, as he should be able to eventually channel that intensity and grow.

On the opposite end of the spectrum is Kevin Knox, whose body language conveys someone sleeping with their eyes open.
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Re: KNICKS - Houston PG 

Post#128 » by Garbagelo » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:01 am

RJ is gonna be traded for Beal along with 3 FRP
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Re: KNICKS - Houston PG 

Post#129 » by god shammgod » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:01 am

missed it, have to watch this one tomorrow. another game thread for me. great. grand. fantastic. i hate you all.
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Re: KNICKS - Houston PG 

Post#130 » by Polk377 » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:25 am

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Chanel Bomber wrote:Let me say this, I hope this organization doesn't put Quickley in a box as a bench player long-term.

You can definitely make the argument Quickley deserved to start earlier this year. Since the Rose trade, he now has not one but two nominal PGs playing ahead of him as Rose entered the game for Payton before him.

i don't want to put those expectations on IQ but he reminds me a little of Billups and CJ. The jumpshot, the ability to draw fouls and the quick first step are a deadly combination. Now it's on the Knicks to develop his playmaking skills.


What is it with people insisting that IQ has to be a traditional PG or a starter? He is a complimentary guard who can be the playmaker and off ball scorer. He is thriving as a bench player right now so why mess with a good thing? A great 6th man sometimes is better than a good starter. Ask the Clippers.

Since you mentioned the Clippers, I think he can be better than Lou Will.

But now is the time to develop him for him to potentially become more than that.

Why mess with a good thing? That's the conservative approach imo. Yes, I can obviously see how Quickley could succeed in a complementary guard role. What if his ceiling is actually higher than that? Oughtn't we to try and see if it is?

I don't actually care that Quickley starts or comes off the bench for his own development's sake but Quickley simply outplayed Payton for a significant stretch and fits better with the starters due to his ability to shoot (not necessarily for him but for the starters).


You play the players based off of what is working. Right now it doesn't matter that Rose and IQ are coming off the bench because the 2nd unit is winning us games. That's all starters and bench is, 1st team and 2nd team. If your 1st team can be a +3 and 2nd team is a +10 then guess what? you just won!

People want to harp on Payton but he is playing tough defense and getting timely baskets attacking the basket when the team needs them. That is all his job is as a starter. He isn't the playmaker on the 1st unit. Everything goes through Randle on purpose.

Can Quickley potentially be better than Lou Will? Sure but no one is stopping him or limiting his progress. On the 2ne unit he has free reign to play his game without being religated as a spot up shooter. That is not how he will get better. His game is already earning him more and more minutes and he is thriving playing next to Rose.
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Re: KNICKS - Houston PG 

Post#131 » by Riot Randolph » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:35 am

Wall Cousins and Tucker..are they the worst tempered team ever
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Re: KNICKS - Houston PG 

Post#132 » by DaGawd » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:35 am

Garbagelo wrote:RJ is gonna be traded for Beal along with 3 FRP

I’m widdit
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Re: KNICKS - Houston PG 

Post#133 » by Polk377 » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:38 am

oldshoolballer wrote:The Knicks are a tale of 2 teams The slow boring but good defensively starting team and the exciting dynamic fast paced bench unit.

That is what this team will need to win. Grind them down with the starters and knock them out with the bench.
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Re: KNICKS - Houston PG 

Post#134 » by aggo » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:40 am

hate to pat my own back but heres a post i made after the first game rose played with iq

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2050854&p=88731882#p88731882


aggo wrote:pretty interesting strategy of using Rose + IQ together on the floor at once.


I guess the idea is that they want more IQ spot up threes, which makes sense because the team outside of Burks doesnt really have a good spot up 3pt shooter. So this is more of a factor where they are tweaking the roster so that IQ can fill a currently bigger need which is someone that can knock down spot up threes off dribble penetration.

Rose makes sense because he's still got burst off the pnr.

I suspect the dream/ultimate level would be for Rose - IQ - Randle to be on the floor at the same time as it would place 2 good passers next to a 40% 3pt shooter who can also create and dish.


IMO this move was driven by analytics and under the surface its actually interesting and should work. IQ is gonna take a bit of a backseat in terms of ball handling, but ironically he could see his PPG, efficiency, go way up. If IQ continues to prove he can shoot his MPG should actually go up.

Payton and Bullock seem to be the biggest losers here imo. It also probably implies they almost certainly view RJ as a SF.


rose
iq
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noel/mitch

is probably their endgame in terms of where they want the roster to look like finishing games in a few weeks.







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Re: KNICKS - Houston PG 

Post#135 » by Polk377 » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:41 am

F N 11 wrote:RJ need to get back to his mid range game. Forcing it too much! Need to let it fly.

The quick mid range pull up will take him from where he is now to a great player. Forget about the 3 for right now. Knocking that shot down consistently will open up his driving.
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Re: KNICKS - Houston PG 

Post#136 » by oldshoolballer » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:45 am

Polk377 wrote:
oldshoolballer wrote:The Knicks are a tale of 2 teams The slow boring but good defensively starting team and the exciting dynamic fast paced bench unit.

That is what this team will need to win. Grind them down with the starters and knock them out with the bench.

I don't know where Thibs is going with this but it's clearly working. Reminds me of the strategy Doc Rivers used with Harrell and Lou Williams where the second team overwhelmed opponents bench units.
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Re: KNICKS - Houston PG 

Post#137 » by Polk377 » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:52 am

oldshoolballer wrote:
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oldshoolballer wrote:The Knicks are a tale of 2 teams The slow boring but good defensively starting team and the exciting dynamic fast paced bench unit.

That is what this team will need to win. Grind them down with the starters and knock them out with the bench.

I don't know where Thibs is going with this but it's clearly working. Reminds me of the strategy Doc Rivers used with Harrell and Lou Williams where the second team overwhelmed opponents bench units.

Thibs did spend a lot of time observing and learning from Rivers.
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Re: KNICKS - Houston PG 

Post#138 » by DOT » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:08 am

Alright guys, so as some of you know, some of us have been working on trying to get a webcast/podcast type thing going for a while now, and myself, 2010, and jvsimonetti0514 recorded our first test episode tonight for postgame commentary

It's a bit long, we were aiming for a half hour, but it kind of got away from us, you know how it is. Anyways, here it is if you want a listen, any feedback is appreciated.

https://soundcloud.com/kyle-toce-914542706/pod-in-development

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Bench: Malcolm Brogdon/Hansen Yang/Rocco Zikarsky/RJ Luis Jr.
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Re: KNICKS - Houston PG 

Post#139 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:14 am

Quickley being good really changes everything about our team
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Re: KNICKS - Houston PG 

Post#140 » by 8516knicks » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:17 am

DaGawd wrote:
Garbagelo wrote:RJ is gonna be traded for Beal along with 3 FRP

I’m widdit


Yeah, if we can get 3 frp plus Beal for RJ we gotta think hard about that one! :lol:

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