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[fan230]

If ddv is such a good sg, we should continue with him as the starter. Else we should try km as sg; he has played well there in the past and Nwora at sf.

[ShootingtheJ]

Our weakest position last season was sg with Wes. It continues to be our weakest position this season as ddv is just not a good enough starter for a team with hopes of being a champion. Any trade imo needs to get us a much better sg.

Absolutely that is our biggest need DDV IS not a starter on any team with ship aspirations

Go look at the stat lines of the Lakers last year and tell us how they won a championship with KCP, Green, Bradley, Rondo, and Kuzma either starting or getting big minutes off the bench. Which one of those championship winning players would you swap out for Donte that would make the Bucks a championship team?

If you do not like that comparison, go look at Toronto the year before, Danny Green starting SG.

You are way off base here, Donte is not the issue.

JR Smith was a championship SG too. Championship teams don't have 5 volume scorers. Donte is a perfect complimentary player.

[jschligs]

If ddv is such a good sg, we should continue with him as the starter. Else we should try km as sg; he has played well there in the past and Nwora at sf.

You’re seriously proposing that we swap DDV for Nwora on our starting lineup? You live in a fantasy world. Absolutely no reason to suggest Nwora is a better option than DDV.

[Bucksfan28]

Absolutely that is our biggest need DDV IS not a starter on any team with ship aspirations

Go look at the stat lines of the Lakers last year and tell us how they won a championship with KCP, Green, Bradley, Rondo, and Kuzma either starting or getting big minutes off the bench. Which one of those championship winning players would you swap out for Donte that would make the Bucks a championship team?

If you do not like that comparison, go look at Toronto the year before, Danny Green starting SG.

You are way off base here, Donte is not the issue.

JR Smith was a championship SG too. Championship teams don't have 5 volume scorers. Donte is a perfect complimentary player.

If Donte gives us what JR gave Cleveland in those first couple FInals runs, we'll be in good shape.

[RiotPunch]

ETA: Expanded, could be two separate deals.

MKE: Noel, Bullock, Ennis, Quickley
NYK: Lopez, DiVincenzo, Nwora
ORL: Augustin, IND '25 2nd, MKE '23 2nd
CHA: Birch, MKE '22 2nd

Bucks dodge the tax while getting younger/more balanced. I love Donte. I have loved him since before we drafted him. Quickley is just a far better fit for us, and in my opinion, has a higher ceiling. A Portis/Noel tandem should be fine at the 5, and Bullock/Ennis provide reliable veteran wing depth.

Thibs notoriously struggles to trust rookies, and Robinson just fractured his hand the other night. This deal gives them a comparable young piece to Quickley in Donte, who is a bit more seasoned and plays a brand of ball that will make Thibs erect. Lopez steps in for the injured Robinson, while also mentoring the young big and providing spacing for Randle. Nwora pushes it over the finish line.

Magic bring in a familiar face to provide PG stability after a wild start to their season at the position. A couple of 2nds should hopefully be enough, but that might be a pipedream.

Hornets could use big depth, Birch fits nicely into their available cap space, and should be a solid backup for Zeller as they push for the playoffs. They also net a 2nd for helping facilitate.

Holiday / Forbes / Merrill
Quickley / Bullock / Connaughton
Middleton / Ennis / B.O.
Giannis / Craig / Thanasis
Portis / Noel / B.O.

We change out half our roster without addressing our needs? We get worse at center and still don't have a reserve guard that can defend, but now don't have one that can handle the ball either. While doing this we lose 2nd rounders and Nwora.

Seems like the only goal here is to avoid the tax, which is breaking a promise to Giannis. Dangerous and pointless maneuver.

I wanted Quickley in the draft, but this is way too much to get him here.

This is a retool move. We still compete this year while improving our flexibility to put the right pieces around Giannis/Jrue/Khris/Quickley.

I think Quickley has shown so much more in New York than he did in Kentucky. I think he has a very high ceiling, getting him requires value. He has shown the ability to handle and pass, but you stagger those duties to Jrue/Midds/Giannis.

DJ is not really working out. Brook is looking closer to cooked. Donte will need to be paid soon. Might be wise to be proactive.

With the way things are going, you can sell Giannis on how this helps us to position ourselves for a longer stretch of contention. Remaining a tax team as a technicality is **** dumb. We got Jrue and Portis, those were the "we're not **** around" moves, tax or not we went all in.

[fan230]

I like ddv as a player overall. But we are really playing worse than the last 2 seasons; so we need to get better in the regular season. Flipping a switch in the playoffs is not a reliable option imo. So how can we get better is the question.

Brook is less good than before but we do not have any other big men; Portis not quite. On the other hand we can try km at sg. I cannot think of anyone other than Nwora at sf right now; unless we actually try we will never know if he can help us improve.

Also I believe we have to be extra strong in scoring points because I see no way that our defense improves substantially and consistently whether it is Bud’s fault or the defensive players’ inabilities.

This is why it would help to get higher scores from more of our offensive players.

Yes I see that other teams have succeeded with 2 or 3 high volume scorers. But the team with the bestrecord this year, Utah, had 4 players who each scores >= 25 points against us; the game is evolving.

[crowhead76]

The bench is a problem right now but it definately is fixable. Biggest thing we need to adress is getting something out of the 11m we invested into the DJs. Either by figuring out how to get the most out of DJA or by figuring out who we can trade both DJs for.

In theory a steady true PG 3-point sniper is just what we need next to Jrue either starting or off the bench.

DJA can’t defend of course. But on paper we should be getting more out of that signing.

And if he’s just not a good fit here for whatever reason some other team would likely want him. Agree that some kind of consolidation trade including DJ Wilson and whatever else could become our best bet to improve in that situation.

Lonzo Ball seems to make some sense, he matches up salary wise and it is just a matter of how much draft capital New Orleans is looking for in return. He is on an expiring so the cost should not be insane.

If they can make that work I would sign Diakite to the roster and sign Myles Powell to a 2-way, I think he could become a microwave scorer like Lou Williams off the bench. Sign Ariza if he is bought out and things look pretty good on paper.

Holiday - Ball - Merrill - (2)Adams
DDV - Forbes - Pat - (2)Powell
Middleton - Ariza - Nwora
Giannis - Craig - Thanasis
Lopez - Portis - Diakite

[ShootingtheJ]

ETA: Expanded, could be two separate deals.

MKE: Noel, Bullock, Ennis, Quickley
NYK: Lopez, DiVincenzo, Nwora
ORL: Augustin, IND '25 2nd, MKE '23 2nd
CHA: Birch, MKE '22 2nd

Bucks dodge the tax while getting younger/more balanced. I love Donte. I have loved him since before we drafted him. Quickley is just a far better fit for us, and in my opinion, has a higher ceiling. A Portis/Noel tandem should be fine at the 5, and Bullock/Ennis provide reliable veteran wing depth.

Thibs notoriously struggles to trust rookies, and Robinson just fractured his hand the other night. This deal gives them a comparable young piece to Quickley in Donte, who is a bit more seasoned and plays a brand of ball that will make Thibs erect. Lopez steps in for the injured Robinson, while also mentoring the young big and providing spacing for Randle. Nwora pushes it over the finish line.

Magic bring in a familiar face to provide PG stability after a wild start to their season at the position. A couple of 2nds should hopefully be enough, but that might be a pipedream.

Hornets could use big depth, Birch fits nicely into their available cap space, and should be a solid backup for Zeller as they push for the playoffs. They also net a 2nd for helping facilitate.

Holiday / Forbes / Merrill
Quickley / Bullock / Connaughton
Middleton / Ennis / B.O.
Giannis / Craig / Thanasis
Portis / Noel / B.O.

We change out half our roster without addressing our needs? We get worse at center and still don't have a reserve guard that can defend, but now don't have one that can handle the ball either. While doing this we lose 2nd rounders and Nwora.

Seems like the only goal here is to avoid the tax, which is breaking a promise to Giannis. Dangerous and pointless maneuver.

I wanted Quickley in the draft, but this is way too much to get him here.

This is a retool move. We still compete this year while improving our flexibility to put the right pieces around Giannis/Jrue/Khris/Quickley.

I think Quickley has shown so much more in New York than he did in Kentucky. I think he has a very high ceiling, getting him requires value. He has shown the ability to handle and pass, but you stagger those duties to Jrue/Midds/Giannis.

DJ is not really working out. Brook is looking closer to cooked. Donte will need to be paid soon. Might be wise to be proactive.

With the way things are going, you can sell Giannis on how this helps us to position ourselves for a longer stretch of contention. Remaining a tax team as a technicality is **** dumb. We got Jrue and Portis, those were the "we're not **** around" moves, tax or not we went all in.

My problem is this actually destroys any chance to retool. Why cut salary for next year when with the core we're going to be stuck without cap space and minimums either way. However, with your plan, we now have no tradable salary slots, plus Nwora and a bunch of future 2nds are gone.

[RiotPunch]

We change out half our roster without addressing our needs? We get worse at center and still don't have a reserve guard that can defend, but now don't have one that can handle the ball either. While doing this we lose 2nd rounders and Nwora.

Seems like the only goal here is to avoid the tax, which is breaking a promise to Giannis. Dangerous and pointless maneuver.

I wanted Quickley in the draft, but this is way too much to get him here.

This is a retool move. We still compete this year while improving our flexibility to put the right pieces around Giannis/Jrue/Khris/Quickley.

I think Quickley has shown so much more in New York than he did in Kentucky. I think he has a very high ceiling, getting him requires value. He has shown the ability to handle and pass, but you stagger those duties to Jrue/Midds/Giannis.

DJ is not really working out. Brook is looking closer to cooked. Donte will need to be paid soon. Might be wise to be proactive.

With the way things are going, you can sell Giannis on how this helps us to position ourselves for a longer stretch of contention. Remaining a tax team as a technicality is **** dumb. We got Jrue and Portis, those were the "we're not **** around" moves, tax or not we went all in.

My problem is this actually destroys any chance to retool. Why cut salary for next year when with the core we're going to be stuck without cap space and minimums either way. However, with your plan, we now have no tradable salary slots, plus Nwora and a bunch of future 2nds are gone.

Good point, maybe it makes sense to hold onto DJA as he should flip to neutral/positive value next year as an expiring.

Maybe the compromise here is just doing:

MKE: Noel, Bullock
NYK: Lopez

Still gets you under the tax line, and you can sell Giannis on the benefit of moving Bobby into the starting lineup and adding two solid rotation guys. I'd prefer the upside swing for Quickley, but I am admittedly way higher than most on him lately.

Holiday / DJA
DDV / Forbes / Connaughton
Middleton / Bullock
Giannis / B.O. / Craig
Portis / Noel

[ShootingtheJ]

This is a retool move. We still compete this year while improving our flexibility to put the right pieces around Giannis/Jrue/Khris/Quickley.

I think Quickley has shown so much more in New York than he did in Kentucky. I think he has a very high ceiling, getting him requires value. He has shown the ability to handle and pass, but you stagger those duties to Jrue/Midds/Giannis.

DJ is not really working out. Brook is looking closer to cooked. Donte will need to be paid soon. Might be wise to be proactive.

With the way things are going, you can sell Giannis on how this helps us to position ourselves for a longer stretch of contention. Remaining a tax team as a technicality is **** dumb. We got Jrue and Portis, those were the "we're not **** around" moves, tax or not we went all in.

My problem is this actually destroys any chance to retool. Why cut salary for next year when with the core we're going to be stuck without cap space and minimums either way. However, with your plan, we now have no tradable salary slots, plus Nwora and a bunch of future 2nds are gone.

Good point, maybe it makes sense to hold onto DJA as he should flip to neutral/positive value next year as an expiring.

Maybe the compromise here is just doing:

MKE: Noel, Bullock
NYK: Lopez

Still gets you under the tax line, and you can sell Giannis on the benefit of moving Bobby into the starting lineup and adding two solid rotation guys. I'd prefer the upside swing for Quickley, but I am admittedly way higher than most on him lately.

Holiday / DJA
DDV / Forbes / Connaughton
Middleton / Bullock
Giannis / B.O. / Craig
Portis / Noel

Bullock is an awful defender, he graded a the worst in the league 2 years ago. He didn't play over Pat.

This deal makes us worse, as a non floor spacer, Noel, would be clogging up the floor. Noel is really useful for some teams, but didn't fit us.

If avoiding the tax was important, they would have packaged DJW with a 2nd before the season started.

[ShootingtheJ]

My problem is this actually destroys any chance to retool. Why cut salary for next year when with the core we're going to be stuck without cap space and minimums either way. However, with your plan, we now have no tradable salary slots, plus Nwora and a bunch of future 2nds are gone.

Good point, maybe it makes sense to hold onto DJA as he should flip to neutral/positive value next year as an expiring.

Maybe the compromise here is just doing:

MKE: Noel, Bullock
NYK: Lopez

Still gets you under the tax line, and you can sell Giannis on the benefit of moving Bobby into the starting lineup and adding two solid rotation guys. I'd prefer the upside swing for Quickley, but I am admittedly way higher than most on him lately.

Holiday / DJA
DDV / Forbes / Connaughton
Middleton / Bullock
Giannis / B.O. / Craig
Portis / Noel

Bullock is an awful defender, he graded a the worst in the league 2 years ago. He didn't play over Pat.

This deal makes us worse, as a non floor spacer, Noel, would be clogging up the floor. Noel is really useful for some teams, but didn't fit us.

If avoiding the tax was important, they would have packaged DJW with a 2nd before the season started.

I'll play along though. The Clippers want a playmaking PG. DJA is one in theory. They also want to move Lou Williams for chemistry issues. The Celtics continue to struggle, and they're disappointed in Teague. They have a huge trade exception available.

Bucks get: Jeff Teague
Clippers get: DJA, 2nd rounder from Boston
Celtics get: Lou Williams

Teague is more of a game manager than playmaker/pick and roll PG at this point. He fits the Bucks better than what the Clippers want. Teague is better defensively than DJA.

[randy84]

Obviously, the Bucks knew they were weak at SG spot. That's why they tried to get Bogdan. Too bad they screwed it up.

[ShootingtheJ]

Obviously, the Bucks knew they were weak at SG spot. That's why they tried to get Bogdan. Too bad they screwed it up.

Too bad? You mean lucky. The Bucks only pursued that to appease Giannis. It was a bad basketball move all day.

[LuessiT]

The bench is a problem right now but it definately is fixable. Biggest thing we need to adress is getting something out of the 11m we invested into the DJs. Either by figuring out how to get the most out of DJA or by figuring out who we can trade both DJs for.

In theory a steady true PG 3-point sniper is just what we need next to Jrue either starting or off the bench.

DJA can’t defend of course. But on paper we should be getting more out of that signing.

And if he’s just not a good fit here for whatever reason some other team would likely want him. Agree that some kind of consolidation trade including DJ Wilson and whatever else could become our best bet to improve in that situation.

I have to disagree with your first sentiment. We really don't need another ball handler whenever one of Giannis, Middleton or Jrue is on the court (which should be all the time). Being a sniper is desired but taking the ball out of the hands of someone more capable is not.
That's why I have to disagree with your second sentiment too. Imo it's a slight mischaracterization of team needs accompanied with some player developement (especially Middleton, a bit of Donte) and player limitations (Giannis needing the ball to contribute) that limits the need of a PG off the bench. And we fans want Jrue to have even more touches which means someone has to seced touches.
We do need someone who can play point for the regular season (especially for times like these when someone of our big 3 is out) but in the playoffs when we ramp up the minutes DJA will mostly be off the ball and he's a huge negative at that.

Now I don't think DJA is a particularly bad player and we shouldn't be looking to just dump him but he's really not helping the team that much. If there's something out there that makes sense we should be looking into it.

[tydett]

Lopez/DJA for Rubio/Naz Reid

hope Minnesota is a buncha dummies?

[EugeneBucksFan]

Brook Lopez slower than slow fricking motion right know. I don't know what they are planning to do but man he is steadily losing trade value in my eyes.
P.S. I am struggling so much to think of a slower player but I really can't

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[ShootingtheJ]

Lopez/DJA for Rubio/Naz Reid

hope Minnesota is a buncha dummies?

Rubio has been the worst player in basketball this year. That's saying something, DJA has been terrible.

[Coach Carter]

When slopez who is slower than continental drift and ragu enzo are your best trade assets...

[blazza18]

Horst gave this man a 3 year deal and people argued for it

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[TD75]

Horst gave this man a 3 year deal and people argued for it

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I admit, I missed that.