Does Grant's Jump Make Weaver's Off-Season Moves a Net Positive?

[DetroitSho]

Woods and Grant a wash. I still imagine if we had both.

Miles turned out better than I had thought.
Draft.... only real down side was our first pick. Imagine if we had chose Haliburton or up to Lamelo.
Wright shows promise. Bey shows promise. Starters on a bad team.
Ellington might bring something back on trade.

Woods was the big let down.

I'd say the moves are even on the scale. Maybe a slight positive, more so on the sense we jettisoned everything from before that we could. That makes it a positive in itself.

Going forward we'll have to see how this year plays out. sites tossing out ideas of trading ellington and grant to the lakers.

still too early. But more excited over this years team than last years team. Kennard who? So glad he's gone.

Who are Woods and Miles? Are you sure you're on the right board?

yeah I'm thoroughly confused who Miles is.

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[DNice68]

I still feel Hayes can develop. I won’t give up on a 19 year old who turns 20 next year.

[SamFlow]

Woods and Grant a wash. I still imagine if we had both.

Miles turned out better than I had thought.
Draft.... only real down side was our first pick. Imagine if we had chose Haliburton or up to Lamelo.
Wright shows promise. Bey shows promise. Starters on a bad team.
Ellington might bring something back on trade.

Woods was the big let down.

I'd say the moves are even on the scale. Maybe a slight positive, more so on the sense we jettisoned everything from before that we could. That makes it a positive in itself.

Going forward we'll have to see how this year plays out. sites tossing out ideas of trading ellington and grant to the lakers.

still too early. But more excited over this years team than last years team. Kennard who? So glad he's gone.

Who are Woods and Miles? Are you sure you're on the right board?

yeah I'm thoroughly confused who Miles is.

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Plumlee... is it miles or mason.... I get the brothers mixed up.

woods or wood. christian wood now with houston.

[King Bugs]

Does Grant by himself make this past offseason a net positive? No, but he has been better than I expected, hopefully he wins MIP. I'm still not convinced he's a lead scorer (or even a guy that'll average 20ppg) on a team that's actually going somewhere.

How I grade this past offseason really hinges on what happens in the draft lottery this summer. Weaver made a lot of dunderheaded moves, but they put us in a position to get a top 5 pick in a pretty good draft. Letting Wood walk, capping ourselves out, and somehow drafting the worst point guard in the 1st round of the 2020 draft are disastrous moves, but if that ends in Cade, Mobley, Jalen Green, or Kuminga in red, white and blue this fall, it'll all be worth it (to me at least).

...Unless our bad draft luck continues, but we're thinking happy thoughts right now.

[zeebneeb]

I am shocked there are so many Piston fans already calling Hayes a bust, worst PG in the draft, e.t.c after 7 games.

Your setting yourself up for irrelevance.

[buzzkilloton]

Offseason actually may have been too good making it a negative long term. We need to actually bottom out for a few seasons and get some high draft picks. If we end up playing ourselves out of those spots it caps our ceiling.

[Manocad]

Offseason actually may have been too good making it a negative long term. We need to actually bottom out for a few seasons and get some high draft picks. If we end up playing ourselves out of those spots it caps our ceiling.

Let's run with your hypothetical. Obviously the goal for any high draft pick is that they turn out to be a stud. Now let's say Sekou turned out to be a stud, Bey keeps at the level he's at or better, and Hayes was healthy and was a stud. How exactly do you propose that the Pistons get another stud in the upcoming draft and somehow continue to bottom out? Hitting on your draft picks and bottoming out don't go together too well.

[buzzkilloton]

Offseason actually may have been too good making it a negative long term. We need to actually bottom out for a few seasons and get some high draft picks. If we end up playing ourselves out of those spots it caps our ceiling.

Let's run with your hypothetical. Obviously the goal for any high draft pick is that they turn out to be a stud. Now let's say Sekou turned out to be a stud, Bey keeps at the level he's at or better, and Hayes was healthy and was a stud. How exactly do you propose that the Pistons get another stud in the upcoming draft and somehow continue to bottom out? Hitting on your draft picks and bottoming out don't go together too well.

We could of simply had a worse finish last season and actually got the 1-3 pick. We then draft Lamelo and have our stud. Instead the season stopped early and we ended up with the 7 pick and a worse prospect. The diff between a 7-10 pick and a top 3 is huge hence why it would be nice to actually pick in the top 3. Esp this season where the top is very very good.

I like Bey and Stewetr but neither will ever be a MVP type guy u need to win. Sekou is obv a bust. Hayes the jury is out on but he may have hip problems. None of these guys is going to be the guy we need to win a title. They can be nice pieces sure. If we actually draft that MVP guy this season then we could have something. If we just grab another solid potential starter type then we continue on the treadmill.

[Manocad]

Offseason actually may have been too good making it a negative long term. We need to actually bottom out for a few seasons and get some high draft picks. If we end up playing ourselves out of those spots it caps our ceiling.

Let's run with your hypothetical. Obviously the goal for any high draft pick is that they turn out to be a stud. Now let's say Sekou turned out to be a stud, Bey keeps at the level he's at or better, and Hayes was healthy and was a stud. How exactly do you propose that the Pistons get another stud in the upcoming draft and somehow continue to bottom out? Hitting on your draft picks and bottoming out don't go together too well.

We could of simply had a worse finish last season and actually got the 1-3 pick. We then draft Lamelo and have our stud. Instead the season stopped early and we ended up with the 7 pick and a worse prospect. The diff between a 7-10 pick and a top 3 is huge hence why it would be nice to actually pick in the top 3. Esp this season where the top is very very good.

I like Bey and Stewetr but neither will ever be a MVP type guy u need to win. Sekou is obv a bust. Hayes the jury is out on but he may have hip problems. None of these guys is going to be the guy we need to win a title. They can be nice pieces sure. If we actually draft that MVP guy this season then we could have something. If we just grab another solid potential starter type then we continue on the treadmill.

You're creating a circular argument. The reason the Pistons had a chance to bottom out this year is BECAUSE Sekou regressed, Hayes got hurt, etc. Again, your draft picks can't all be studs and the team still bottom out. That just doesn't happen.

[buzzkilloton]

Let's run with your hypothetical. Obviously the goal for any high draft pick is that they turn out to be a stud. Now let's say Sekou turned out to be a stud, Bey keeps at the level he's at or better, and Hayes was healthy and was a stud. How exactly do you propose that the Pistons get another stud in the upcoming draft and somehow continue to bottom out? Hitting on your draft picks and bottoming out don't go together too well.

We could of simply had a worse finish last season and actually got the 1-3 pick. We then draft Lamelo and have our stud. Instead the season stopped early and we ended up with the 7 pick and a worse prospect. The diff between a 7-10 pick and a top 3 is huge hence why it would be nice to actually pick in the top 3. Esp this season where the top is very very good.

I like Bey and Stewetr but neither will ever be a MVP type guy u need to win. Sekou is obv a bust. Hayes the jury is out on but he may have hip problems. None of these guys is going to be the guy we need to win a title. They can be nice pieces sure. If we actually draft that MVP guy this season then we could have something. If we just grab another solid potential starter type then we continue on the treadmill.

You're creating a circular argument. The reason the Pistons had a chance to bottom out this year is BECAUSE Sekou regressed, Hayes got hurt, etc. Again, your draft picks can't all be studs and the team still bottom out. That just doesn't happen.

The reason we are winning has more to do with Jackson/Grant/Plumlee/Ellington/Wright then anything else actually. Bey and Stewert have been good rookies but its the prior 5 that are doing the most damage to the tank.

Personally I would want the Grant/Jackson signings as they are more long term players. Take away Ellington/WRight/Plumlee and suddenly we would finish the worst team in the standings.

Weaver said himself "Retool not rebuild". Maybe the goal was always improve quickly. I know the free agent moves were puzzling to me at the time.

[DetroitSho]

Offseason actually may have been too good making it a negative long term. We need to actually bottom out for a few seasons and get some high draft picks. If we end up playing ourselves out of those spots it caps our ceiling.

Let's run with your hypothetical. Obviously the goal for any high draft pick is that they turn out to be a stud. Now let's say Sekou turned out to be a stud, Bey keeps at the level he's at or better, and Hayes was healthy and was a stud. How exactly do you propose that the Pistons get another stud in the upcoming draft and somehow continue to bottom out? Hitting on your draft picks and bottoming out don't go together too well.

We could of simply had a worse finish last season and actually got the 1-3 pick. We then draft Lamelo and have our stud. Instead the season stopped early and we ended up with the 7 pick and a worse prospect. The diff between a 7-10 pick and a top 3 is huge hence why it would be nice to actually pick in the top 3. Esp this season where the top is very very good.

I like Bey and Stewetr but neither will ever be a MVP type guy u need to win. Sekou is obv a bust. Hayes the jury is out on but he may have hip problems. None of these guys is going to be the guy we need to win a title. They can be nice pieces sure. If we actually draft that MVP guy this season then we could have something. If we just grab another solid potential starter type then we continue on the treadmill.

Yeah it's the Pistons fault a global pandemic hit and ended their rapid losing, you know, since it stopped them from losing more as you say.

The Pistons are doing it wrong. They should be littered with lottery picks like the Pelicans and then finally get the #1 overall pick and land their superstar and then they'll be headed for clear contention, just like the Pelicans. I mean, that's all it took for them, right?

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[buzzkilloton]

Let's run with your hypothetical. Obviously the goal for any high draft pick is that they turn out to be a stud. Now let's say Sekou turned out to be a stud, Bey keeps at the level he's at or better, and Hayes was healthy and was a stud. How exactly do you propose that the Pistons get another stud in the upcoming draft and somehow continue to bottom out? Hitting on your draft picks and bottoming out don't go together too well.

We could of simply had a worse finish last season and actually got the 1-3 pick. We then draft Lamelo and have our stud. Instead the season stopped early and we ended up with the 7 pick and a worse prospect. The diff between a 7-10 pick and a top 3 is huge hence why it would be nice to actually pick in the top 3. Esp this season where the top is very very good.

I like Bey and Stewetr but neither will ever be a MVP type guy u need to win. Sekou is obv a bust. Hayes the jury is out on but he may have hip problems. None of these guys is going to be the guy we need to win a title. They can be nice pieces sure. If we actually draft that MVP guy this season then we could have something. If we just grab another solid potential starter type then we continue on the treadmill.

Yeah it's the Pistons fault a global pandemic hit and ended their rapid losing, you know, since it stopped them from losing more as you say.

The Pistons are doing it wrong. They should be littered with lottery picks like the Pelicans and then finally get the #1 overall pick and land their superstar and then they'll be headed for clear contention, just like the Pelicans. I mean, that's all it took for them, right?

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As if I said all you need is the #1 pick. I just said you need a MVP level player. The easiest road to that is picking high in the draft. If you look over all the teams in NBA history who won you will see all but the Pistons had that MVP type player on their team when they won. Their is diff avenues to getting them but us being a non free agent destination the best way is drafting them.

I wouldnt close the book on Zion already bud. Hes only in his 2nd season. NBA players dont peak till 26.

[davidvolumes]

As good as Grant has been there is another level he can take his game to. This is a big offseason for Grant to develop a post up game similar to Kobe and MJ. If and it's a big if he can do that there goes our Superstar. Teams are game planning for Grant and he's catching the ball too far away from the basket making it much more difficult for him.

[Pharaoh]

But Sekou and Hayes are both busts apparently

When did they turn 26

We could of simply had a worse finish last season and actually got the 1-3 pick. We then draft Lamelo and have our stud. Instead the season stopped early and we ended up with the 7 pick and a worse prospect. The diff between a 7-10 pick and a top 3 is huge hence why it would be nice to actually pick in the top 3. Esp this season where the top is very very good.

I like Bey and Stewetr but neither will ever be a MVP type guy u need to win. Sekou is obv a bust. Hayes the jury is out on but he may have hip problems. None of these guys is going to be the guy we need to win a title. They can be nice pieces sure. If we actually draft that MVP guy this season then we could have something. If we just grab another solid potential starter type then we continue on the treadmill.

Yeah it's the Pistons fault a global pandemic hit and ended their rapid losing, you know, since it stopped them from losing more as you say.

The Pistons are doing it wrong. They should be littered with lottery picks like the Pelicans and then finally get the #1 overall pick and land their superstar and then they'll be headed for clear contention, just like the Pelicans. I mean, that's all it took for them, right?

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As if I said all you need is the #1 pick. I just said you need a MVP level player. The easiest road to that is picking high in the draft. If you look over all the teams in NBA history who won you will see all but the Pistons had that MVP type player on their team when they won. Their is diff avenues to getting them but us being a non free agent destination the best way is drafting them.

I wouldnt close the book on Zion already bud. Hes only in his 2nd season. NBA players dont peak till 26.

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[buzzkilloton]

But Sekou and Hayes are both busts apparently

When did they turn 26

Yeah it's the Pistons fault a global pandemic hit and ended their rapid losing, you know, since it stopped them from losing more as you say.

The Pistons are doing it wrong. They should be littered with lottery picks like the Pelicans and then finally get the #1 overall pick and land their superstar and then they'll be headed for clear contention, just like the Pelicans. I mean, that's all it took for them, right?

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As if I said all you need is the #1 pick. I just said you need a MVP level player. The easiest road to that is picking high in the draft. If you look over all the teams in NBA history who won you will see all but the Pistons had that MVP type player on their team when they won. Their is diff avenues to getting them but us being a non free agent destination the best way is drafting them.

I wouldnt close the book on Zion already bud. Hes only in his 2nd season. NBA players dont peak till 26.

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When ever did Sekou/Hayes look like Zion did as a rookie?