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[DingleJerry]

I don't see any reason Drummond fits on the bucks at all. He can't shoot and nothing fits contractswise either. Can at least have a discussion on Griffin's game but again that's not what the Bucks need.

It's really tough to come up with anything logical with Griffin for any team. No contender is gonna want him at that contract. So he'll get to another treadmill team like Det and the process repeats? Det probably missed their window after the 2019 with how great Blake played that year. Maybe Portland has some contracts that could work? IDK. But I think I'd probably go Love if I was them.

Contractwise wouldn't it work if we gave them Brook, Pat and DJW?

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Well sure. I was looking at our 3 big contract directly and no way we'd give them. Why would Drummond be a better fit than Brook and then to also give up the backup PG too? So we'd be swapping Brook for Drummond and DJA for league min FA. Then again Cle has too many Cs and that's why Drummond is available so it doesn't make sense contractwise to give them another C back (and our 3 big contracts aren't being traded)

[EugeneBucksFan]

Blake for Khris is ridiculous

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[EugeneBucksFan]

I don't see any reason Drummond fits on the bucks at all. He can't shoot and nothing fits contractswise either. Can at least have a discussion on Griffin's game but again that's not what the Bucks need.

It's really tough to come up with anything logical with Griffin for any team. No contender is gonna want him at that contract. So he'll get to another treadmill team like Det and the process repeats? Det probably missed their window after the 2019 with how great Blake played that year. Maybe Portland has some contracts that could work? IDK. But I think I'd probably go Love if I was them.

Contractwise wouldn't it work if we gave them Brook, Pat and DJW?

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Well sure. I was looking at our 3 big contract directly and no way we'd give them. Why would Drummond be a better fit than Brook and then to also give up the backup PG too? So we'd be swapping Brook for Drummond and DJA for league min FA. Then again Cle has too many Cs and that's why Drummond is available so it doesn't make sense contractwise to give them another C back (and our 3 big contracts aren't being traded)

Ok. I hear that.

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[StickeeFingaz]

Blake is toast and I want nothing to do with Magic Drummond.

Not sure how they get a positive player in here without giving up Donte.

[emunney]

Went looking at Detroit’s roster to see if there was some significant additional asset we could pry out in a Middleton for Blake deal. I can’t find it. Their roster is a dumpster fire.

Bey and 30 picks

[raferfenix]

Griffin can't stay healthy long enough to warrant a trade for even our scraps much less Middleton.

But if he's bought out that could be a different story if he were willing to take a minimum deal to rehab his value next to Giannis.

Any chance of that, or what do we think?

The Pistons will continue to pursue trade scenarios involving Griffin, and talks on a contract buyout with his agent, Sam Goldfeder of Excel Sports, could eventually come into focus.

The Pistons are moving toward a rebuild under Weaver, and this gives the franchise a chance to play younger players as Griffin, 31, moves toward finding a role on a contending team.

"After extensive conversation with Blake's representatives, it has been determined that we will begin working to facilitate a resolution regarding his future with the team that maximizes the interests of both parties," Weaver told ESPN on Monday. "We respect all the effort Blake has put forth in Detroit and his career and will work to achieve a positive outcome for all involved."

Finding a trade for Griffin -- who's owed a remaining $36.6 million this season, and $39 million in 2021-22 -- will be a challenge, but the team will continue to seek a deal until the March 25 trade deadline, sources said.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30906202/blake-griffin-sit-detroit-pistons-weigh-trade-buyout-options-former-all-star

[chonestown]

Went looking at Detroit’s roster to see if there was some significant additional asset we could pry out in a Middleton for Blake deal. I can’t find it. Their roster is a dumpster fire.

Dangerous and inflammatory content.imo

Griffith is passed his prine

[DingleJerry]

Maybe they Det weird with some Westbrook for Blake stuff? Then both teams can repeat this next year.

Blake as a buyout guy? Well yea I guess I'd do it. We need someone in that position anyway. Theoretically some matchups he'd be good as 4 and Giannis at 5. But he does look like a shell of himself and there has been the known chippiness with Giannis. he really was good in 2019 but that injury last year looks like it might be the end for him.

[Ruzious]

Went looking at Detroit’s roster to see if there was some significant additional asset we could pry out in a Middleton for Blake deal. I can’t find it. Their roster is a dumpster fire.

Dangerous and inflammatory content.imo

Griffith is passed his prine

The Hayes pick has had a disastrous rookie year - especially considering Haliburton was there. I think Bey was their best pick. They should have tried to keep Wood. Doumbouya shows no sign of developing. Rough rookie year for GM Troy Weaver.

[Ron Swanson]

I'd put money on Blake requesting a buy-out and going back to LA to sign with the Clippers or Lakers on the vet minimum. Even when he had that resurgent '18-19 season, he still looked absolutely miserable being in Detroit. Don't think he wants any part of ending his career in the Midwest.

[DingleJerry]

I'm curious what Tor is trying to do with Drummond too. I don't see where their 30 mil in salary is going to come either that makes sense. No way their punting on Siakam this quickly. Some 3 team deal with Lowry? but why not just trade Lowry directly since he has the better value. I kind of want it to happen just to see what's going on.

[DingleJerry]

I'd put money on Blake requesting a buy-out and going back to LA to sign with the Clippers or Lakers on the vet minimum. Even when he had that resurgent '18-19 season, he still looked absolutely miserable being in Detroit. Don't think he wants any part of ending his career in the Midwest.

Yea, he never wanted to be there. I saw something a couple weeks ago about him flying home to LA in between games. It didn't seem believable to me and not sure if it was just joking about what you're getting at here. But I never cared enough to dig into it either. Seems like a Lakers pickup makes sense.

[midranger]

Horst gave this man a 3 year deal and people argued for it

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My main take away, Giannis sets an illegal moving screen that doesn’t actually prevent the guy from challenging the shot and rather than rolling into the wide open lane for a pass/dunk or rebound, he must have popped to the three point line for some reason.

Needs work.

How can anyone's main takeaway be anything other than Pat being an extremely limited offensive player? Dude just threw an open FT-line jumper clean off the backboard. Not even a whiff of rim. That is embarrassing and his teammates should endlessly ridicule Pat for that fugly shot, Bud for playing him, and Horst for resigning him.

Giannis could be sitting at 3-point line knuckle deep into his nose the entire time. That doesn't even compare to the awfulness of Conny on that play.

I mean, I didn’t need to see some random awful jump shot to know that.

[skones]

My take away is people making way too much of a bad shot. Balls slip, have a bad grip, etc, it's one shot. This reminds me of the jabroni during the bubble ranting how Gary Trent sucks because he shot a corner 3 of the side of the backboard once. Pat is hitting 38% of his 3s so far, he's been fine on the court so far in spite of being a bad contract. It's not his fault for taking the money. Obviously he shouldn't be the lead handler in a PnR like he was there.

"Fine on the court" when exactly? For the first 9 games? Pat Connaughton is 13/46 from distance for 28.2% over the last month and that's WITH a 5/8 showing against Charlotte. He's not been fine, he's been **** awful since the first 9 games of the season in which he shot an unreasonable 16/30. So far in February, Pat Connaughton has given us a whole 3.6 points in 19 minutes on 34.3/19.0/25.0 splits. This isn't a player who "shouldn't be the lead handler in PnR," this is a player who shouldn't see the floor.

[emunney]

Contractwise wouldn't it work if we gave them Brook, Pat and DJW?

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Well sure. I was looking at our 3 big contract directly and no way we'd give them. Why would Drummond be a better fit than Brook and then to also give up the backup PG too? So we'd be swapping Brook for Drummond and DJA for league min FA. Then again Cle has too many Cs and that's why Drummond is available so it doesn't make sense contractwise to give them another C back (and our 3 big contracts aren't being traded)

Ok. I hear that.

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Also it wouldn't work because it'd put us over the hard cap.

[Ron Swanson]

Even the people that were fine with the contract readily admitted that Pat probably isn't/wasn't a 45% 3PT shooter, so can we just not continue to freak out over these tiny sample size ebbs and flows for low-usage role-players? It's like clockwork with some of you guys.

[skones]

Even the people that were fine with the contract readily admitted that Pat probably isn't/wasn't a 45% 3PT shooter, so can we just not continue to freak out over these tiny sample size ebbs and flows for low-usage role-players? It's like clockwork with some of you guys.

Ok, we'll just use his 33.9% from distance in his career as a Milwaukee Buck to continue to lambaste the deal. Ya know how when you read an "In defense of Pat" post and it feels like a complete and total reach? There's a reason for that.

[DingleJerry]

My take away is people making way too much of a bad shot. Balls slip, have a bad grip, etc, it's one shot. This reminds me of the jabroni during the bubble ranting how Gary Trent sucks because he shot a corner 3 of the side of the backboard once. Pat is hitting 38% of his 3s so far, he's been fine on the court so far in spite of being a bad contract. It's not his fault for taking the money. Obviously he shouldn't be the lead handler in a PnR like he was there.

"Fine on the court" when exactly? For the first 9 games? Pat Connaughton is 13/46 from distance for 28.2% over the last month and that's WITH a 5/8 showing against Charlotte. He's not been fine, he's been **** awful since the first 9 games of the season in which he shot an unreasonable 16/30. So far in February, Pat Connaughton has given us a whole 3.6 points in 19 minutes on 34.3/19.0/25.0 splits. This isn't a player who "shouldn't be the lead handler in PnR," this is a player who shouldn't see the floor.

Yea, sorry that's what an 8/9th man type is. Mediocre, some good games/stretches, some bad. It's not his fault they paid him too much. Been a rotation contributor for two years on a team with 60+ wins but since he's not some star we have to go extreme and act like he completely sucks. Yea, if he keeps in a shooting slump and finishes out the year that way but to flip out after a few bad games for is an overreaction. Would you be one of the same who wanted Forbes cut after 8 games? It's the same thing, just later in the year.

And no, I don't think it was a good contract. But I'm able to seperate the two, seems many aren't.

[Plossum]

Wouldn’t trade for Blake but he’s def a good player to add off the buy out market. He’ll have a few teams interested though if the price is right.

[skones]

My take away is people making way too much of a bad shot. Balls slip, have a bad grip, etc, it's one shot. This reminds me of the jabroni during the bubble ranting how Gary Trent sucks because he shot a corner 3 of the side of the backboard once. Pat is hitting 38% of his 3s so far, he's been fine on the court so far in spite of being a bad contract. It's not his fault for taking the money. Obviously he shouldn't be the lead handler in a PnR like he was there.

"Fine on the court" when exactly? For the first 9 games? Pat Connaughton is 13/46 from distance for 28.2% over the last month and that's WITH a 5/8 showing against Charlotte. He's not been fine, he's been **** awful since the first 9 games of the season in which he shot an unreasonable 16/30. So far in February, Pat Connaughton has given us a whole 3.6 points in 19 minutes on 34.3/19.0/25.0 splits. This isn't a player who "shouldn't be the lead handler in PnR," this is a player who shouldn't see the floor.

Yea, sorry that's what an 8/9th man type is. Mediocre, some good games/stretches, some bad. It's not his fault they paid him too much. Been a rotation contributor for two years on a team with 60+ wins but since he's not some star we have to go extreme and act like he completely sucks. Yea, if he keeps in a shooting slump and finishes out the year that way but to flip out after a few bad games for is an overreaction. Would you be one of the same who wanted Forbes cut after 8 games? It's the same thing, just later in the year.

And no, I don't think it was a good contract. But I'm able to seperate the two, seems many aren't.

No, it's not what an 8th or 9th man is if you're trying to win a championship. You should want your 8th or 9th man to do something well, but Pat doesn't, and that's the reality of his game. It's not a "few bad games," and it's not an overreaction. The guy is 33.9% from distance as a Buck. That's well below league average for a guy who's only offensive responsibility is actually shooting that shot. It's legitimately LOL worthy to try to write this off as some sort of "small sample size."

As for Forbes, I was one of his defenders, feel free to check that if you'd like.