Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

Kobblehead · Post #1281 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:19 am

PhillyNj wrote:You’d seriously trade Curry. The best shooter in the nba. For these guys. I like them but there not worth Curry.
The Sixers are already bad at making threes.

You're seriously compromised in the postseason if you wasting G minutes on guys that can't create off the dribble.

Kobblehead · Post #1282 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:25 am

Why are people still trying to move Harris?

He's creating off the dribble, he's shooting well, he's humongous and he's an elite teammate.

phillynative · Post #1283 » by **phillynative** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:33 am

Kobblehead wrote:Why are people still trying to move Harris?

He's creating off the dribble, he's shooting well, he's humongous and he's an elite teammate.

He can handle the ball a bit but create of the dribble? Hes a straight line driver with a pull up game.

Kobblehead · Post #1284 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:35 am

phillynative wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Why are people still trying to move Harris?

He's creating off the dribble, he's shooting well, he's humongous and he's an elite teammate.

He can handle the ball a bit but create of the dribble? Hes a straight line driver with a pull up game.

So what? He's still scoring more unassisted buckets than Jayson Tatum, for instance. Harris is cooking....yet again...under Doc. Legit shotcreating F this season.

phillynative · Post #1285 » by **phillynative** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:48 am

Kobblehead wrote:
phillynative wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Why are people still trying to move Harris?

He's creating off the dribble, he's shooting well, he's humongous and he's an elite teammate.

He can handle the ball a bit but create of the dribble? Hes a straight line driver with a pull up game.

So what? He's still scoring more unassisted buckets than Jayson Tatum, for instance. Harris is cooking....yet again...under Doc. Legit shotcreating F this season.

Just because hes scoring more unassisted buckets doesnt mean hes a better scorer. This team gets open off of pick and rolls, screens and Ben. Thats based off of doc coaching and the way the team is constructed.

Kobblehead · Post #1286 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:56 am

I didn't say he was a better scorer, I just pointed out that it's a fact that he's creating more off the dribble than Tatum.

Harris has been fantastic both on and off the ball. And like I said, he's huge, a great teammate, and young.

The only negative to his game is that he doesn't play defense and he's not an alpha takeover guy.

Now that he is creating off the dribble and has become a really strong on/off player, I don't see the urgency to move him.

Especially for trash like Hield.

Kobblehead · Post #1287 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:58 am

Just because we were desperate to move Harris 6 months ago doesn't mean it still makes sense to move him. Things changed. Doc came in and re-established him as a creator. He's no longer the albatross he was when he looked like a mere stretch four under Brett Brown.

phillynative · Post #1288 » by **phillynative** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:41 am

Kobblehead wrote:Just because we were desperate to move Harris 6 months ago doesn't mean it still makes sense to move him. Things changed. Doc came in and re-established him as a creator. He's no longer the albatross he was when he looked like a mere stretch four under Brett Brown.

I get ya he has played better this year but he is not a creator. He cannot consistently create shots for himself. He gets most of his shots off the attention Ben and Embiid get. You rarely see him create for himself or his teamates which is what the team is missing.

You put a adequate wing defender with enough size to defend his post ups he struggles. You put a mobile 4 on him where he doesnt have enough quickness to get by or the size to out muscle he struggles.

DCasey91 · Post #1289 » by **DCasey91** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:42 am

Man the ignorance is real, Harris a shot creator/dribbler? Really. An elite player? Harris fantastic off the ball?
Great scorer? Really
Per 36 career is 20
Playoffs is 15 with bogus splits
He’s not and never been an elite or even great offensive threat.
There’s a reason he’s been moved so much when it comes to contract payday.
He’s no longer an albatross? What are people talking about here lol. He’s arguably the worst contract in the league

LloydFree · Post #1290 » by **LloydFree** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:04 am

The 76ers are rumored to be interested in Delon Wright. I never considered him as a possibility, but I like it. He's a lot better than he's perceived.

Kobblehead · Post #1291 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:11 am

DCasey91 wrote:Man the ignorance is real, Harris a shot creator/dribbler? Really. An elite player? Harris fantastic off the ball?
Great scorer? Really
Per 36 career is 20
Playoffs is 15 with bogus splits
He’s not and never been an elite or even great offensive threat.
There’s a reason he’s been moved so much when it comes to contract payday.
He’s no longer an albatross? What are people talking about here lol. He’s arguably the worst contract in the league

Yeah, your own ignorance. Lol nobody said he was an elite player or a great scorer.

You're still viewing Harris through the lens of last year. Are you even watching this year? Do you know what creating off the dribble means?

He's scoring a ton of unassisted buckets inside the arc. At 60+% true shooting.

He's hitting nearly 2 threes a game at an above 40% clip.

Fantastic on and off the ball this year.

Adapt to new information and fix your perception of Tobias Harris because your view of him is outdated and wrong.

Negrodamus · Post #1292 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:13 am

DCasey91 wrote:Man the ignorance is real, Harris a shot creator/dribbler? Really. An elite player? Harris fantastic off the ball?
Great scorer? Really
Per 36 career is 20
Playoffs is 15 with bogus splits
He’s not and never been an elite or even great offensive threat.
There’s a reason he’s been moved so much when it comes to contract payday.
He’s no longer an albatross? What are people talking about here lol. He’s arguably the worst contract in the league

Love the timing of this post when Tobi is on pace for 36 in tonights game during his best and most efficient season as a pro.

What's Hield's playoff stats? Oh right, he's never been because he's added nothing to the Kings his entire career.

Kobblehead · Post #1293 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:14 am

Negrodamus wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:Man the ignorance is real, Harris a shot creator/dribbler? Really. An elite player? Harris fantastic off the ball?
Great scorer? Really
Per 36 career is 20
Playoffs is 15 with bogus splits
He’s not and never been an elite or even great offensive threat.
There’s a reason he’s been moved so much when it comes to contract payday.
He’s no longer an albatross? What are people talking about here lol. He’s arguably the worst contract in the league

Love this post when Tobi is on pace for 36 in tonights game during his best and most efficient season as a pro.

What's Hield's playoff stats? Oh right, he's never been because he's added nothing to the Kings his entire career.

This is the same dude pushing for the (yet again injured) Oladipo that looks nothing like a star.

Harris is better than Oldapio and Hield both on and off the ball right now and it's not even close lol.

the_process · Post #1294 » by **the_process** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:22 am

Gotta move off Tobias. I am aware it's insane but I'd even consider him and Poirier for Griffin and Bey.

Griffin sucks now, but is a giant expiring come the offseason that you ought to be able to use in another deal for matching. And Bey is going to be a player in this league.

Kobblehead · Post #1295 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:26 am

Why though?

Harris has been incredibly good and useful for us and his trade value only gets better as his deal gets shorter.

the_process · Post #1296 » by **the_process** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:24 am

Kobblehead wrote:Why though?

Harris has been incredibly good and useful for us and his trade value only gets better as his deal gets shorter.

He's still got 3 years and, what, 110M left? I mean, sure, his value is better this summer than last, but is it positive value?

As far as him being good... his shooting is unsustainable, he still dribbles too much, and he cannot be a primary creator. Sixers are not winning anything with a Tobias/Simmons/Embiid core. And the longer you have Tobias, the more chance ownership tries to cut costs in another fashion.

I understand the smarter move is to try to flip him for positive value in the offseason. I'm just not sure what that looks like and/or if it's even possible.

LeonJordanJr24 · Post #1297 » by **LeonJordanJr24** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:27 am

Sixers need starting point guard shot creator and Ben to assume a aggressive scoring role.

DCasey91 · Post #1298 » by **DCasey91** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:31 am

Lol at people going after it when Harris has a great game.

Someone even mentioned playoff stats. Wait have you seen Harris in the playoffs?

This team is Embiid and Simmons it’s been that way from the beginning.

Ah well is what it is

mithrandir17 · Post #1299 » by **mithrandir17** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:35 am

Philly out: Green, Korkmaz, Scott, Ferguson, 2021 FRP
Philly in: Lowry

Philly gets their natural PG and have the following lineup. Gets Bjelica in another trade for Horford TPE

PG - Lowry / Maxey
SG - Milton / Curry
SF - Simmons / Thybulle
PF - Harris / Bjelica
C - Embiid / Howard

Raptors out: Lowry
Raptors In: Drummond, Ferguson, PHI 2021 FRP

Raptors gets bigger by swapping Lowry with Drummond and get a FRP in the process.

PG - VanVleet / Davis
SG - Powell / Bembry
SF - Anunoby / Johnson
PF - Siakam / Boucher
C - Drummond / Baynes

Cavs out: Drummond
Cavs In: Green (Buyout), Scott (Buyout), Korkmaz

Cavs get a salary relief by getting the 6M difference in incoming salaries and a prospect in Korkmaz.

PG - Sexton / Dellavadova
SG - Garlan / Korkmaz
SF - Prince / Osman
PF - Love / Nance
C - Allen / Mcgee

Tomjas · Post #1300 » by **Tomjas** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:05 am

DCasey91 wrote:Man the ignorance is real, Harris a shot creator/dribbler? Really. An elite player? Harris fantastic off the ball?
Great scorer? Really
Per 36 career is 20
Playoffs is 15 with bogus splits
He’s not and never been an elite or even great offensive threat.
There’s a reason he’s been moved so much when it comes to contract payday.
He’s no longer an albatross? What are people talking about here lol. He’s arguably the worst contract in the league

He’s the Sixers worst contract but nowhere near the worst in the league e.g. Blake Griffin