Fire Ainge: Thanks Danny, but it's time to go

greenroom31 · Post #341 » by **greenroom31** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:22 pm

Outside of Tatum, Brown, Smart, Kemba, and Theis, the roster is pretty much interchangeable borderline rotation players. This is compounded since Brad won't commit to certain guys or a regular rotation and see if the guys will develop into those roles. Instead on any given night the bench rotation consists of a somewhat random selection of the following guys:

Pritchard, Teague, Carsen, Javonte, Nesmith, Semi, Grant, RW3 and Tristan

Tatum, Brown and Kemba regularly get double-teamed because the other guys are generally offensive liabilities and most nights the other guys miss their open shots, turn it over, or pass it back to Jaylen/Tatum/Kemba with 6 seconds left and force them to go ISO.

Brad needs to make some tough decisions -- something he struggles mightily with. He's got to commit to a maximum 10 man rotation (ideally 9). See if some of these guys can perform if given regular roles and see if the team collectively can develop some chemistry.

That said (and coming back to Ainge) I personally don't think we have enough talent to compete for a title. Our best starting 5 is probably Pritchard/Smart/Jaylen/Tatum/Theis with Kemba/RW3/Semi coming off the bench... at least until Nesmith is playable. Ainge should be looking at all options to bring in more talent and ship out some of these marginal redundant players.

Bird4Three · Post #342 » by **Bird4Three** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:44 pm

Tatum, Brown, Smart and Pritchard are my only keepers. Trade anyone/everyone else.

Celtic Koala · Post #343 » by **Celtic Koala** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:31 pm

Bird4Three wrote:Tatum, Brown, Smart and Pritchard are my only keepers. Trade anyone/everyone else.

Those players are the only ones you can trade for assets to improve the team. Our options are trading Smart/Brown/Tatum or trying to land a major free agent (our last big free agent signing was Gordon Hayward)

zoyathedestroya · Post #344 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:34 pm

Celtic Koala wrote:
Bird4Three wrote:Tatum, Brown, Smart and Pritchard are my only keepers. Trade anyone/everyone else.

Those players are the only ones you can trade for assets to improve the team. Our options are trading Smart/Brown/Tatum or trying to land a major free agent (our last big free agent signing was Gordon Hayward)

Landing a major free agent won't be an option for a long while unless we find a way to clear the books leaving just the Jays and a couple of youngins.

Fencer reregistered · Post #345 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:38 pm

Danny took an interesting tack on the recent troubles: He blames them on not "respecting" opposing teams, which he refers to as a lack of "humility". And thus he blames:

-- The players, who are guilty.
-- NOT Brad, who like many coaches doesn't share this problem.
-- Himself, for selecting the players.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/02/15/0215-bh-s-ainge/

This is one of those relatively rare cases where Ainge's religious orientation seems like a significant key to understanding him. First, the bit about humility is a generally a Christian way of viewing things (on a level where "Are Mormons true Christians or heretics?" is irrelevant). Second, Mormons who have significant careers are typically also religious leaders. (Ainge was Bishop of Boston for a while. I know a guy -- an early Oracle sales exec -- who was Bishop of Portugal.) Third, Mormons who wear their theology on their sleeves commonly believe that people are redeemable, can change, etc.

Celtic Koala · Post #346 » by **Celtic Koala** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:38 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
Celtic Koala wrote:
Bird4Three wrote:Tatum, Brown, Smart and Pritchard are my only keepers. Trade anyone/everyone else.

Those players are the only ones you can trade for assets to improve the team. Our options are trading Smart/Brown/Tatum or trying to land a major free agent (our last big free agent signing was Gordon Hayward)

Landing a major free agent won't be an option for a long while unless we find a way to clear the books leaving just the Jays and a couple of youngins.

Until Tatum signs his extension we had a very good window of opportunity to land a major name. We are currently one of the few teams that has enough cap space to aggresively target a major free agent signing and we have been incredibly passive. Giannis could have been a huge signing if we had placed a serious project to him rather than last year's team but much worse.

Fencer reregistered · Post #347 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:42 pm

I'd add that, religion even aside, Ainge is a poster child for "respect other players". He was one of the most accomplished team athletes in US high school history, and a famously fierce competitor in the pros. Also in the pros, he was on a team where 5-6 guys had better careers than he did. (Bird/McHale/Parish/DJ/Walton/maybe Wedman.)

FakeScreenName123 · Post #348 » by **FakeScreenName123** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:39 am

it's time danny. this is a moment to make another correct move. you gotta bullseye this one. you've been sitting around for a couple years now -- playing it safe led you here. mediocrity. old danny would not accept this -- is he getting old? getting tired? is Austin making more decisions? which side of things was Zarren on re: davis/kawhi hmm?

my number one question is who has been most responsible for the drafting the past couple years? each draft comes out how we really liked a prospect and we just couldnt get to him. get your guy. why do we have langford and nesmith if they aren;t the guys you believe in?

Jaqua92 · Post #349 » by **Jaqua92** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:55 am

SmartWentCrazy wrote:

Read on Twitter

Washburn nailed it— this team is tuning out its coach and that doesnt bode well for the future

Been saying this for almost a year.

Did anyone else see Tatum's interview about Coach K and Brad? Tatum flat out said Brad isn't a leader.

This is VERY concerning. Tatum isn't a player who can motivate himself. And Brad isn't the guy to do it..guys just aren't inspired or passionate about playing for Brad.

He's too small for Star players.

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Jaqua92 · Post #350 » by **Jaqua92** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:02 am

TheMartian wrote:From the Washburn article:

Tatum scored a season-low 6 points in 23 foul-plagued minutes and just didn’t seem engaged, despite the fact his buddy Bradley Beal was scoring with ease. And he gave up on a handful of plays defensively because he was discouraged by his offense.

One of the things I don't like about our boy Tatum. I hope he matures from this.

Tatum isn't a self inspired player..not overly competitive. He just can't motivate himself

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bbd24 · Post #351 » by **bbd24** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:54 am

I’m hoping they sign Danny for another 18 years. He’s the smartest GM in all of sports. Always have a shot at the title with Ainge in charge.

We’ve got big time players who are young and talented. Now he’s got to pick the right complimentary pieces and make them work. I trust and believe in him.

The Corey's · Post #352 » by **The Corey's** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:02 pm

Wouldn't be the first time danny just punted and winged it with a mountain of evidence in front of him that what he's gathered isn't working.

There's nothing he can do to make this team better right now and what's worse is that if there were he wouldn't do it anyway.

GWVan · Post #353 » by **GWVan** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:33 pm

ok, this time I'm done with realgm

Stadium5 · Post #354 » by **Stadium5** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:15 pm

bbd24 wrote:I’m hoping they sign Danny for another 18 years. He’s the smartest GM in all of sports. Always have a shot at the title with Ainge in charge.

We’ve got big time players who are young and talented. Now he’s got to pick the right complimentary pieces and make them work. I trust and believe in him.

Woof.

Its the blind cult followers of gunshy danny like these that apply no public pressure on him at all and only enable our mediocrity.

Brad's an X & Os guy, but not meant to be a head coach at the pro level. Football maybe, but basketball is about having the best players. Try and bring in Billups to replace him

But don't bother wasting Billups time if you're going to keep Ainge as the GM of this team. We need someone who's hungry and always shopping for that next diamond in the rough deal. Not someone like Danny whos bought into his own hype from a buddy buddy trade 13 years ago

I've been blasted on this forum for years for calling out Danny and his garbage hype

Blasted for hating on IT
Blasted for suggesting we bring in a player like Capela or Turner
Blasted for hating on bringing in Hayward
Blasted for hating getting a 30 year old undersized SG in Kemba

That article that came out about GMs being "afraid" to deal with Ainge is so cringe I can't even handle reading about anymore Ainge praise on here anymore

VeryMuchWoke · Post #355 » by **VeryMuchWoke** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:28 pm

I don't think Ainge should go. He's nailed his high draft picks, won most of his trades, and managed to attract some max FAs. Those are by far the top 3 most important jobs for a GM. If Morey were still available, then sure, but who's replacing him? I suppose Zarren is ready and should be given a shot, but if you hate the current leadership Zarren is probably not your guy.

With Brad I'm indifferent at this point. He's awesome at some things, but does seem to struggle with taking the loss and benching even guys like Tremont who will never be impact players.

I think a big part of the problem is ownership honestly. The current ownership refuses to tank and I suspect they really just want to be solid every year. They aren't about maximizing championship odds. On the other hand there are far worse ownership groups out there and Wyc and Co are probably in the top 30% of owners, so a change could easily hurt us.

Stadium5 · Post #356 » by **Stadium5** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:42 pm

VeryMuchWoke wrote:I don't think Ainge should go. He's nailed his high draft picks, won most of his trades, and managed to attract some max FAs. Those are by far the top 3 most important jobs for a GM. If Morey were still available, then sure, but who's replacing him? I suppose Zarren is ready and should be given a shot, but if you hate the current leadership Zarren is probably not your guy.

With Brad I'm indifferent at this point. He's awesome at some things, but does seem to struggle with taking the loss and benching even guys like Tremont who will never be impact players.

I think a big part of the problem is ownership honestly. The current ownership refuses to tank and I suspect they really just want to be solid every year. They aren't about maximizing championship odds. On the other hand there are far worse ownership groups out there and Wyc and Co are probably in the top 30% of owners, so a change could easily hurt us.

The time to tank was between 2013-2017 to double up on the outsourced BKN tank picks. Ainge and homers fell in love with the IT mirage and that probably hurt us alot in the long run. Thank god for hitting on Tatum, can't imagine how grim things would look if not for that

OldCeltics · Post #357 » by **OldCeltics** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:47 pm

VeryMuchWoke wrote:I don't think Ainge should go. He's nailed his high draft picks, won most of his trades, and managed to attract some max FAs. Those are by far the top 3 most important jobs for a GM. If Morey were still available, then sure, but who's replacing him? I suppose Zarren is ready and should be given a shot, but if you hate the current leadership Zarren is probably not your guy.

With Brad I'm indifferent at this point. He's awesome at some things, but does seem to struggle with taking the loss and benching even guys like Tremont who will never be impact players.

I think a big part of the problem is ownership honestly. The current ownership refuses to tank and I suspect they really just want to be solid every year. They aren't about maximizing championship odds. On the other hand there are far worse ownership groups out there and Wyc and Co are probably in the top 30% of owners, so a change could easily hurt us.

Anybody could nail high picks. He got Tatum and Brown with two #3 picks. Literally anybody could have done that. He missed out on many other good players like Giannis, Butler, and many others. Overall he's a D- GM. KG got handed to him by McHale, other than that he's done next to nothing last 13 years, to get us a championship.

VeryMuchWoke · Post #358 » by **VeryMuchWoke** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:04 pm

OldCeltics wrote:
VeryMuchWoke wrote:I don't think Ainge should go. He's nailed his high draft picks, won most of his trades, and managed to attract some max FAs. Those are by far the top 3 most important jobs for a GM. If Morey were still available, then sure, but who's replacing him? I suppose Zarren is ready and should be given a shot, but if you hate the current leadership Zarren is probably not your guy.

With Brad I'm indifferent at this point. He's awesome at some things, but does seem to struggle with taking the loss and benching even guys like Tremont who will never be impact players.

I think a big part of the problem is ownership honestly. The current ownership refuses to tank and I suspect they really just want to be solid every year. They aren't about maximizing championship odds. On the other hand there are far worse ownership groups out there and Wyc and Co are probably in the top 30% of owners, so a change could easily hurt us.

Anybody could nail high picks. He got Tatum and Brown with two #3 picks. Literally anybody could have done that. He missed out on many other good players like Giannis, Butler, and many others. Overall he's a D- GM. KG got handed to him by McHale, other than that he's done next to nothing last 13 years, to get us a championship.

You're telling me anyone could and would have traded back from #1 to get away from Fultz and get Tatum?

BK_2020 · Post #359 » by **BK_2020** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:09 pm

Nobody had Jaylen at #3 in 2016.

Gomes3PC · Post #360 » by **Gomes3PC** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:19 pm

I am increasingly worried Brad is the problem, not Ainge. Danny is far from infallible, but the talent level on this team is far above their record. Lots of hoops left this year though and Stevens has earned some rope to be patient. My worry with Brad is he gets the most out of under talented try-hards, but both his system and his style don't translate as well in getting the best out of teams looking to get over the edge.