Stephen Curry has been totally exposed

[righterwriter]

All I gotta say is this Warriors team has zero business being 15-13. Here are the leading scorers for the team

1. Curry
2. Wiggins
3. Oubre
4. Wiseman
5. Paschall
6. Lee
7. Bazemore

That is a laughably bad supporting cast when it comes to offensive talent. When Wiggins and Oubre are your #2 and #3 guys, you should not be winning too many NBA games.

Wiggins is a capable #2 guy, but probably best suited to be a really good #3 guy. I think if Klay comes back healthy we'll see Wiggins in his perfect role.

Oubre should be getting about 20-25mpg off the bench. He runs hot and cold, but when he's cold he can completely eff up the team's flow. Will be happy if they can trade him (praying for a smart team player in return, like Lonzo).

Paschall is a nice bench scorer on a really good team. Should also be in that 20-25mpg range.

Wiseman is a pup. Whatever you get from him this year is found money. I think he'll be a 20ppg guy once he matures a bit, but right now you don't count on him for more than 10-15pts in a game, mostly on dunks and an occasional open three.

Lee should be a 10mpg guy and if he's not hitting threes then get him off the court.

Not going to even comment on the rest.

[AbeVigodaLive]

So what's the latest?

[Ballerhogger]

So this thread of the year so far

[Ballerhogger]

All I gotta say is this Warriors team has zero business being 15-13. Here are the leading scorers for the team

1. Curry
2. Wiggins
3. Oubre
4. Wiseman
5. Paschall
6. Lee
7. Bazemore

That is a laughably bad supporting cast when it comes to offensive talent. When Wiggins and Oubre are your #2 and #3 guys, you should not be winning too many NBA games.

Reminds how bad kobe lakers were in 05-06 it’s pretty bad

[Duke4life831]

All I gotta say is this Warriors team has zero business being 15-13. Here are the leading scorers for the team

1. Curry
2. Wiggins
3. Oubre
4. Wiseman
5. Paschall
6. Lee
7. Bazemore

That is a laughably bad supporting cast when it comes to offensive talent. When Wiggins and Oubre are your #2 and #3 guys, you should not be winning too many NBA games.

Reminds how bad kobe lakers were in 05-06 it’s pretty bad

Ya thats a good comparison. You get passed Odom, who lets be real was at his best as a 6th man. Smush Parker and Brian Cook were your 3rd and 4th leading scorers on that team haha. Its gets even worse for the 5th and 6th leading scorers with Chris Mihm and Kwame Brown.

Its one thing to not have stars but have a pretty well built team that fits together. That was just a bunch of rejects and G League talent tossed on a roster and Kobe had to figure a way out to somehow win 45 games with that roster. And took prime 7 seconds or less Suns to 7 games in the 1st round.

Curry is in a similar situation this year.

[therealbig3]

This thread was idiotic, but before we give ALL the credit to Curry, let's remember that they have a below average offense. Obviously, tons of credit to Curry for taking this bad supporting cast and not letting them be the worst offense in the league.

But they're the 6th best defense in the league. Who gets credit for that? Not like they have good defensive talent either.

I think Green's contributions as the co-MVP of the team (like he was for years when GS was at their peak) continue to get underrated, just because he doesn't score. They looked like one of the worst teams of all time until Green came back. He's still one of the best defensive players in the league.

[therealbig3]

All I gotta say is this Warriors team has zero business being 15-13. Here are the leading scorers for the team

1. Curry
2. Wiggins
3. Oubre
4. Wiseman
5. Paschall
6. Lee
7. Bazemore

That is a laughably bad supporting cast when it comes to offensive talent. When Wiggins and Oubre are your #2 and #3 guys, you should not be winning too many NBA games.

Reminds how bad kobe lakers were in 05-06 it’s pretty bad

Ya thats a good comparison. You get passed Odom, who lets be real was at his best as a 6th man. Smush Parker and Brian Cook were your 3rd and 4th leading scorers on that team haha. Its gets even worse for the 5th and 6th leading scorers with Chris Mihm and Kwame Brown.

Its one thing to not have stars but have a pretty well built team that fits together. That was just a bunch of rejects and G League talent tossed on a roster and Kobe had to figure a way out to somehow win 45 games with that roster. And took prime 7 seconds or less Suns to 7 games in the 1st round.

Curry is in a similar situation this year.

IIRC, the 06 Lakers were a top 10 offense. Their team success was directly a function of how good their offense was, and that's why Kobe deserves a ton of credit for that year. They had no business being a top 10 offense with the supporting cast they had.

The Warriors are actually pretty bad offensively. Only reason they're not last in the league is because of Curry, and he deserves props for that, but it's very different than what Kobe did in 06.

The Warriors are winning because they're playing great defense and don't have the worst offense in the league. So Green deserves a lot of credit too, it's not all Curry right now.

[dhsilv2]

All I gotta say is this Warriors team has zero business being 15-13. Here are the leading scorers for the team

1. Curry
2. Wiggins
3. Oubre
4. Wiseman
5. Paschall
6. Lee
7. Bazemore

That is a laughably bad supporting cast when it comes to offensive talent. When Wiggins and Oubre are your #2 and #3 guys, you should not be winning too many NBA games.

Reminds how bad kobe lakers were in 05-06 it’s pretty bad

Ya thats a good comparison. You get passed Odom, who lets be real was at his best as a 6th man. Smush Parker and Brian Cook were your 3rd and 4th leading scorers on that team haha. Its gets even worse for the 5th and 6th leading scorers with Chris Mihm and Kwame Brown.

Its one thing to not have stars but have a pretty well built team that fits together. That was just a bunch of rejects and G League talent tossed on a roster and Kobe had to figure a way out to somehow win 45 games with that roster. And took prime 7 seconds or less Suns to 7 games in the 1st round.

Curry is in a similar situation this year.

Odom was a really good player. Hardly a 6th man. Now the rest of that team..yuck.

[Peregrine01]

Reminds how bad kobe lakers were in 05-06 it’s pretty bad

Ya thats a good comparison. You get passed Odom, who lets be real was at his best as a 6th man. Smush Parker and Brian Cook were your 3rd and 4th leading scorers on that team haha. Its gets even worse for the 5th and 6th leading scorers with Chris Mihm and Kwame Brown.

Its one thing to not have stars but have a pretty well built team that fits together. That was just a bunch of rejects and G League talent tossed on a roster and Kobe had to figure a way out to somehow win 45 games with that roster. And took prime 7 seconds or less Suns to 7 games in the 1st round.

Curry is in a similar situation this year.

IIRC, the 06 Lakers were a top 10 offense. Their team success was directly a function of how good their offense was, and that's why Kobe deserves a ton of credit for that year. They had no business being a top 10 offense with the supporting cast they had.

The Warriors are actually pretty bad offensively. Only reason they're not last in the league is because of Curry, and he deserves props for that, but it's very different than what Kobe did in 06.

The Warriors are winning because they're playing great defense and don't have the worst offense in the league. So Green deserves a lot of credit too, it's not all Curry right now.

Warriors are a top 7 offense with Curry on the floor. With him off, they're 6 pts below the worst offense in the league. For perspective, 6 pts is the difference between the worst and an average offense this year.

Agree that Green is still a DPOY candidate.

[WarriorGM]

This thread was idiotic, but before we give ALL the credit to Curry, let's remember that they have a below average offense. Obviously, tons of credit to Curry for taking this bad supporting cast and not letting them be the worst offense in the league.

But they're the 6th best defense in the league. Who gets credit for that? Not like they have good defensive talent either.

I think Green's contributions as the co-MVP of the team (like he was for years when GS was at their peak) continue to get underrated, just because he doesn't score. They looked like one of the worst teams of all time until Green came back. He's still one of the best defensive players in the league.

No let's not. Your "co-MVP" led the team to a 15-50 record last year without Curry. Draymond gets full credit as it is for his assists half of which should probably belong to Curry but are not credited to him. Your interpretation would suggest this is an equal bi-directional relationship. It is not. Curry can Curry without Draymond. Not to the same enhanced effect—but he can as 2013 showed. Draymond without a great off ball partner to play off of like Curry or Klay is an offensive bystander or worse.

The Warriors front office knows they have to create a defensive oriented team because that's how you optimally build around Curry. Curry's strengths and weaknesses dictate the team composition.

[ahmetmekin]

This thread was idiotic, but before we give ALL the credit to Curry, let's remember that they have a below average offense. Obviously, tons of credit to Curry for taking this bad supporting cast and not letting them be the worst offense in the league.

But they're the 6th best defense in the league. Who gets credit for that? Not like they have good defensive talent either.

I think Green's contributions as the co-MVP of the team (like he was for years when GS was at their peak) continue to get underrated, just because he doesn't score. They looked like one of the worst teams of all time until Green came back. He's still one of the best defensive players in the league.

No let's not. Your "co-MVP" led the team to a 15-50 record last year without Curry. Draymond gets full credit as it is for his assists half of which should probably belong to Curry but are not credited to him. Your interpretation would suggest this is an equal bi-directional relationship. It is not. Curry can Curry without Draymond. Not to the same enhanced effect—but he can as 2013 showed. Draymond without a great off ball partner to play off of like Curry or Klay is an offensive bystander or worse.

The Warriors front office knows they have to create a defensive oriented team because that's how you optimally build around Curry. Curry's strengths and weaknesses dictate the team composition.

"Co-mvp Dray" 's rpm: -1.38, bpm: -1.1 Curry's +8 and +7.7 respectively. Lol.

[Warriors Analyst]

All I gotta say is this Warriors team has zero business being 15-13. Here are the leading scorers for the team

1. Curry
2. Wiggins
3. Oubre
4. Wiseman
5. Paschall
6. Lee
7. Bazemore

That is a laughably bad supporting cast when it comes to offensive talent. When Wiggins and Oubre are your #2 and #3 guys, you should not be winning too many NBA games.

Wiggins is a capable #2 guy, but probably best suited to be a really good #3 guy. I think if Klay comes back healthy we'll see Wiggins in his perfect role.

Oubre should be getting about 20-25mpg off the bench. He runs hot and cold, but when he's cold he can completely eff up the team's flow. Will be happy if they can trade him (praying for a smart team player in return, like Lonzo).

Paschall is a nice bench scorer on a really good team. Should also be in that 20-25mpg range.

Wiseman is a pup. Whatever you get from him this year is found money. I think he'll be a 20ppg guy once he matures a bit, but right now you don't count on him for more than 10-15pts in a game, mostly on dunks and an occasional open three.

Lee should be a 10mpg guy and if he's not hitting threes then get him off the court.

Not going to even comment on the rest.

Totally disagree with your assessment of Paschall and Lee. Paschall had a good stretch early in the season as the bench C with Wiggins/Wanamaker/Mulder/Lee lineups. The moment Oubre became part of those lineups, their effectiveness ranked. Shortly after, Paschall’s knee got banged up and he sat some games and he hasn’t been the same since physically. But even when he was healthy, Paschall was bad on D and he’s a 0 on the boards, except for when he wants to crash the offensive glass. If he’s not scoring, he’s the one that provides next to nothing to this team, not Lee. There’s too much overlap between Wanamaker/Wiggins/Oubre/Paschall as players for Paschall to deserve more than 15 minutes a game right now.

Lee on the other hand is a floor spacer who knows how to move without the ball and pass the ball within the motion offense. He’s not great defensively because of his physical limitations, but he knows where to be and doesn’t make egregious mistakes on D, which is more than could be said of Paschall. Lee should be starting over Oubre right now. We’d be probably 3 wins better for that.

[clyde21]

This thread was idiotic, but before we give ALL the credit to Curry, let's remember that they have a below average offense. Obviously, tons of credit to Curry for taking this bad supporting cast and not letting them be the worst offense in the league.

But they're the 6th best defense in the league. Who gets credit for that? Not like they have good defensive talent either.

I think Green's contributions as the co-MVP of the team (like he was for years when GS was at their peak) continue to get underrated, just because he doesn't score. They looked like one of the worst teams of all time until Green came back. He's still one of the best defensive players in the league.

Dray is not what he once was but is still obviously good...but co-mvp? let's not get carried away.

Steph RPM: 8.05
Dray RPM: -1.35

Steph TS%: 67%
Dray TS%: 43%

Steph PER: 26 PER
Dray PER: 10 PER

Steph BPM: 7.7
Dray BPM: -1.1

Steph WS/48: .215
Dray WS/48: .065

to act like this is some type of equal partnership is just untrue. and, tbh, half of Dray's assists should be credited to Steph like the poster above said...the open lanes Steph activates for our cutters (Wiggins/Oubre) are obscene, you gotta give credit to Dray for making the right reads but the one that's actually creating the chances is Steph and he does it without even touching the ball.

you put any semi competent playmaker next to Steph and they'll average 10-12 assists a game, it's that easy for them. Dray is obviously the glue defensively but to be quite honest I have no idea how we're even top10 in def rating, doesn't make any sense when u watch the games.

[Chanel Bomber]

This thread was idiotic, but before we give ALL the credit to Curry, let's remember that they have a below average offense. Obviously, tons of credit to Curry for taking this bad supporting cast and not letting them be the worst offense in the league.

But they're the 6th best defense in the league. Who gets credit for that? Not like they have good defensive talent either.

I think Green's contributions as the co-MVP of the team (like he was for years when GS was at their peak) continue to get underrated, just because he doesn't score. They looked like one of the worst teams of all time until Green came back. He's still one of the best defensive players in the league.

Dray is not what he once was but is still obviously good...but co-mvp? let's not get carried away.

Steph RPM: 8.05
Dray RPM: -1.35

Steph TS%: 67%
Dray TS%: 43%

Steph PER: 26 PER
Dray PER: 10 PER

Steph BPM: 7.7
Dray BPM: -1.1

Steph WS/48: .215
Dray WS/48: .065

to act like this is some type of equal partnership is just untrue. and, tbh, half of Dray's assists should be credited to Steph like the poster above said...the open lanes Steph activates for our cutters (Wiggins/Oubre) are obscene, you gotta give credit to Dray for making the right reads but the one that's actually creating the chances is Steph and he does it without even touching the ball.

Lol

Some people will make up any narrative to diminish Steph. It's mind-boggling.

And I love Draymond.

[Impuniti]

This thread was idiotic, but before we give ALL the credit to Curry, let's remember that they have a below average offense. Obviously, tons of credit to Curry for taking this bad supporting cast and not letting them be the worst offense in the league.

But they're the 6th best defense in the league. Who gets credit for that? Not like they have good defensive talent either.

I think Green's contributions as the co-MVP of the team (like he was for years when GS was at their peak) continue to get underrated, just because he doesn't score. They looked like one of the worst teams of all time until Green came back. He's still one of the best defensive players in the league.

Ahh yes Draymond the co-MVP of the Warriors, as evidenced last season where he looked like a top 200 NBA player.

Dray is a beast and the main reason and push for the defensive edge the team has. Lets just not get crazy.

[warriorschamps]

This thread was idiotic, but before we give ALL the credit to Curry, let's remember that they have a below average offense. Obviously, tons of credit to Curry for taking this bad supporting cast and not letting them be the worst offense in the league.

But they're the 6th best defense in the league. Who gets credit for that? Not like they have good defensive talent either.

I think Green's contributions as the co-MVP of the team (like he was for years when GS was at their peak) continue to get underrated, just because he doesn't score. They looked like one of the worst teams of all time until Green came back. He's still one of the best defensive players in the league.

Dray is not what he once was but is still obviously good...but co-mvp? let's not get carried away.

Steph RPM: 8.05
Dray RPM: -1.35

Steph TS%: 67%
Dray TS%: 43%

Steph PER: 26 PER
Dray PER: 10 PER

Steph BPM: 7.7
Dray BPM: -1.1

Steph WS/48: .215
Dray WS/48: .065

to act like this is some type of equal partnership is just untrue. and, tbh, half of Dray's assists should be credited to Steph like the poster above said...the open lanes Steph activates for our cutters (Wiggins/Oubre) are obscene, you gotta give credit to Dray for making the right reads but the one that's actually creating the chances is Steph and he does it without even touching the ball.

you put any semi competent playmaker next to Steph and they'll average 10-12 assists a game, it's that easy for them. Dray is obviously the glue defensively but to be quite honest I have no idea how we're even top10 in def rating, doesn't make any sense when u watch the games.

True. I'm a big Draymond fan but this is just silly. Steph has been the best shooter every year of his life since college with all type of teammates. And even though we didn't get to see it no doubt he was the best shooter in middle school as well, lol. Heck he was making NBA threes when he was like ten years old. That was before most NBA players could make NBA threes.

Steph make life far more easier for teammates than the other way around..As someone in the comments said Curry can be 0-10 and still be the best player on the court. his gravity is unheard of...By the way this is why Steph lead in offensive rating every year. The amount of value he add is unheard of. Not even Jordan could add that kind of value. Teams would rather give Durant a wide open driving lane than give Curry an open three. Crazy.

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[itsxtray]

The question no one has answered, the warriors are #6 in defense: 109.0 but #20 in offense: 110.5. They're winning mostly because of their defense, who gets the credit for that? A couple pages back someone got clowned because of the "names" of the defenders... but F that WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING ON THE COURT IS ALL THAT MATTERS, WHO CARES WHAT THEIR NAMES ARE.

Curry isn't the guy making this a borderline top 5 defense: -1.61 Drpm, 0.0 Dbpm

Curry is my favorite player to watch and this thread is dumb, but the hyperbole about his teammates badness is insulting, especially on defense.

[therealbig3]

I mean, pretty much all impact metrics could hardly separate Green and Curry during the Warriors peak years...for THIS team, he's been a co-MVP...sure, this year that's probably a stretch to say, but Green is still super valuable and is anchoring a borderline top 5 defense. It's not Curry by himself out there, and their offensive performance isn't the biggest reason they're 15-13. Green is still an excellent player, make no mistake about that.

With all that said, I think Curry is awesome, a top 5 player in the league this year, and honestly, I'd only take LeBron over him for sure.

[MindState]

The question no one has answered, the warriors are #6 in defense: 109.0 but #20 in offense: 110.5. They're winning mostly because of their defense, who gets the credit for that? A couple pages back someone got clowned because of the "names" of the defenders... but F that WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING ON THE COURT IS ALL THAT MATTERS, WHO CARES WHAT THEIR NAMES ARE.

Curry isn't the guy making this a borderline top 5 defense: -1.61 Drpm, 0.0 Dbpm

Curry is my favorite player to watch and this thread is dumb, but the hyperbole about his teammates badness is insulting, especially on defense.

His teammates are awful outside of Green and Wiggins.

Its hard to have an NBA team with only 3 players on it worth a damn.

[MindState]

All I gotta say is this Warriors team has zero business being 15-13. Here are the leading scorers for the team

1. Curry
2. Wiggins
3. Oubre
4. Wiseman
5. Paschall
6. Lee
7. Bazemore

That is a laughably bad supporting cast when it comes to offensive talent. When Wiggins and Oubre are your #2 and #3 guys, you should not be winning too many NBA games.

Wiggins is a capable #2 guy, but probably best suited to be a really good #3 guy. I think if Klay comes back healthy we'll see Wiggins in his perfect role.

Oubre should be getting about 20-25mpg off the bench. He runs hot and cold, but when he's cold he can completely eff up the team's flow. Will be happy if they can trade him (praying for a smart team player in return, like Lonzo).

Paschall is a nice bench scorer on a really good team. Should also be in that 20-25mpg range.

Wiseman is a pup. Whatever you get from him this year is found money. I think he'll be a 20ppg guy once he matures a bit, but right now you don't count on him for more than 10-15pts in a game, mostly on dunks and an occasional open three.

Lee should be a 10mpg guy and if he's not hitting threes then get him off the court.

Not going to even comment on the rest.

Totally disagree with your assessment of Paschall and Lee. Paschall had a good stretch early in the season as the bench C with Wiggins/Wanamaker/Mulder/Lee lineups. The moment Oubre became part of those lineups, their effectiveness ranked. Shortly after, Paschall’s knee got banged up and he sat some games and he hasn’t been the same since physically. But even when he was healthy, Paschall was bad on D and he’s a 0 on the boards, except for when he wants to crash the offensive glass. If he’s not scoring, he’s the one that provides next to nothing to this team, not Lee. There’s too much overlap between Wanamaker/Wiggins/Oubre/Paschall as players for Paschall to deserve more than 15 minutes a game right now.

Lee on the other hand is a floor spacer who knows how to move without the ball and pass the ball within the motion offense. He’s not great defensively because of his physical limitations, but he knows where to be and doesn’t make egregious mistakes on D, which is more than could be said of Paschall. Lee should be starting over Oubre right now. We’d be probably 3 wins better for that.

Lee is a 3rd string bench guy in my opinion. He is incredibly inconsistent and far too unreliable from 3 to be the first guard off the bench for a contending team.