Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread

[Magicfanatic82]

G League competition is still a higher lvl than most college and foreign leagues.
As for Green he is already on par or better than the most recent #1 pick Edwards. He still has plenty of time to build his case for this class.

[basketballRob]

Mane looks much worse than Frazier. He's still young, so hopefully he can learn to shoot.

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[RookieStar]

GO look at our future Magician Cade. ?He is playing right now.

[MagicFan101]

G League competition is still a higher lvl than most college and foreign leagues.
As for Green he is already on par or better than the most recent #1 pick Edwards. He still has plenty of time to build his case for this class.

I fully agree about Green > Edwards ... and that comes from someone who would love to have Edwards on this roster.

Cade is earning Luke-light comps.

Suggs is a true modern day PG star. We all want Fultz to become that guy next to one of the other prospects on this list but perhaps accepting that isn’t going to happen and taking Suggs is the smart choice?

Meanwhile, Kuminga has outshined Green most of the time in summer league. Outside of raw athleticism, Kuminga is far more polished and looks ready to go for the NBA.

Mobley has Anthony Davis vibes. Need I say more?


PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get a top 5 pick. I don’t care after that so long as we pick from the list above. You all decide. I will be happy.

[MagicFan101]

GO look at our future Magician Cade. ?He is playing right now.

As I said above, I will be REALLY HAPPY if we get any of the top 5. I have been hurt so many times by Orlando ending up as the N+1 in an N star class that I just can’t be picky.

Still, I do admit that I have an extra gold star next to Cade on my big board ...

[pepe1991]

Oh come on with this competition " better than college". They just play 48 min, nobody guards anybody and stats are inflated.

Mosses Brown averaged 9,7 ppg at college, basiaclly never suited for Porland and now averages 20 ppg, 14 rpg .
Luka Samanic bounced off Spurs rotation despite being mid first round pick, still good enough for 22 ppg, 11 rpg in G league.

I've already mentioned " GOAT Poole" who couldn't even put up 15ppg at college ,but few months later in G league averaged 26 ppg.

Competition is flat out bad.

Even notion that so far best player has been Kevin Porter, guy who Cavs cut because they had zero desire to handle his behavior tells you everything you need to know how to evaluate G league.

if i tell you there is 20 yeras old kid avearging 26 ppg, 7 apg , 4 rpg on good efficiency, is athletic , on that premise alone you would fap over him and think he is lottery pick. Guy was #30 pick and due behavior issues was traded for protected second round pick...

This nba future rookies that went through this rout just wanted some cash and easy way out.. Green, Kuminga will put up stats, because this is league where NIck Stauskas will end up averaging 20 ppg, but context of those numbers will be biggest grey area possible to evaluate for fans and scouts. You have guys here who are 20 y.o. and put up ridicilous stats, but who were terrible nba players just few months ago, and only reason why they are in G league is because they suck so bad that they can't even find spot on deep bench of their teams.

Edwards today would probably average 30 points in this league , without even trying hard. Lamelo would average as much as he wants.

[Bensational]

So they should only develop in the NBA? At which point they already suck because they’re a rookie end they’ll never be any better than they already are.

Why even bother with new players at all? NBA can just keep playing the current players until they all have to retire and then shut the league down. Lol.

[Magicfanatic82]

Stats dont always tell the story. Of course you take them with a grain of salt. They are playing with and dealing with pros. Men trying to make a living or earn a spot. They get more time to work on thier game, study film and pick up tricks of the trade.
Suggs at Gonzaga plays tougher competition as the #1 team than Green and Kuminga? no, have you seen them killing teams this year.

[VFX]

Oh come on with this competition " better than college". They just play 48 min, nobody guards anybody and stats are inflated.

Mosses Brown averaged 9,7 ppg at college, basiaclly never suited for Porland and now averages 20 ppg, 14 rpg .
Luka Samanic bounced off Spurs rotation despite being mid first round pick, still good enough for 22 ppg, 11 rpg in G league.

I've already mentioned " GOAT Poole" who couldn't even put up 15ppg at college ,but few months later in G league averaged 26 ppg.

Competition is flat out bad.

Even notion that so far best player has been Kevin Porter, guy who Cavs cut because they had zero desire to handle his behavior tells you everything you need to know how to evaluate G league.

if i tell you there is 20 yeras old kid avearging 26 ppg, 7 apg , 4 rpg on good efficiency, is athletic , on that premise alone you would fap over him and think he is lottery pick. Guy was #30 pick and due behavior issues was traded for protected second round pick...

This nba future rookies that went through this rout just wanted some cash and easy way out.. Green, Kuminga will put up stats, because this is league where NIck Stauskas will end up averaging 20 ppg, but context of those numbers will be biggest grey area possible to evaluate for fans and scouts. You have guys here who are 20 y.o. and put up ridicilous stats, but who were terrible nba players just few months ago, and only reason why they are in G league is because they suck so bad that they can't even find spot on deep bench of their teams.

Edwards today would probably average 30 points in this league , without even trying hard. Lamelo would average as much as he wants.

Is your analysis of any draft prospect “they aren’t good because they aren’t in the nba”? Not really sure how else to dissect your argument.

Are you also disagreeing with the majority of ranking systems and professional scouting services?

I mean I get that there are definitely players that will not translate to the nba and some will be busts. There are definitely reasons that these specific players are highly regarded. It’s not like they drew these names out of a hat.

[VFX]

With what we know about the current roster:

1a. Green
1b. Suggs
2. Cade
3. Kuminga



4. Mobley

In that order.

[pepe1991]

Oh come on with this competition " better than college". They just play 48 min, nobody guards anybody and stats are inflated.

Mosses Brown averaged 9,7 ppg at college, basiaclly never suited for Porland and now averages 20 ppg, 14 rpg .
Luka Samanic bounced off Spurs rotation despite being mid first round pick, still good enough for 22 ppg, 11 rpg in G league.

I've already mentioned " GOAT Poole" who couldn't even put up 15ppg at college ,but few months later in G league averaged 26 ppg.

Competition is flat out bad.

Even notion that so far best player has been Kevin Porter, guy who Cavs cut because they had zero desire to handle his behavior tells you everything you need to know how to evaluate G league.

if i tell you there is 20 yeras old kid avearging 26 ppg, 7 apg , 4 rpg on good efficiency, is athletic , on that premise alone you would fap over him and think he is lottery pick. Guy was #30 pick and due behavior issues was traded for protected second round pick...

This nba future rookies that went through this rout just wanted some cash and easy way out.. Green, Kuminga will put up stats, because this is league where NIck Stauskas will end up averaging 20 ppg, but context of those numbers will be biggest grey area possible to evaluate for fans and scouts. You have guys here who are 20 y.o. and put up ridicilous stats, but who were terrible nba players just few months ago, and only reason why they are in G league is because they suck so bad that they can't even find spot on deep bench of their teams.

Edwards today would probably average 30 points in this league , without even trying hard. Lamelo would average as much as he wants.

Is your analysis of any draft prospect “they aren’t good because they aren’t in the nba”? Not really sure how else to dissect your argument.

Are you also disagreeing with the majority of ranking systems and professional scouting services?

I mean I get that there are definitely players that will not translate to the nba and some will be busts. There are definitely reasons that these specific players are highly regarded. It’s not like they drew these names out of a hat.

My issue with G league as place of evluation of talent is purpose of existence of that league, G League Ingite in particular.

College ranks play competitive sport that is not professional only because NCAA politics, not because it's not runned like professional league ( how many times somebody was busted for being payed under a table ? Too many times to count ...) where goal is to win championship. Inner motivation of players is to play for something and compete for title, and in context of winning, affirm themselfs as elite prospects. That puts things in order where coaches are searching for best options for a team and in process make "selection" of players. Many times 5 star recruits actually don't play or flat out suck. Invisible hand principle 101.

G league?

G league in conetxt of nba and basketball in general has no purpose, it was never "develomental" system, G league's last MVP was just cut by Magic after reciving 10 days contract. That league serves no value.it's scrubs playground. Place where you send players if you don't know what do to with them, since nba does not allow player loans like it's case in some other sports. It's literally failed project without future.

But instad of addmiting L, Silver and company craeted fabricated , fictional G league team that will pay teenagers some pocket money to promote G league as their project. Their punch in face toward NCAA " see, we can pay them and create stars without you". Petty behavior really. Never expected anything less from far left political wing anyway.
Where other teams play their end of a bench guys and mostly their G league guys, fabricated fictional nba project named G league ignite suited up non other than:
Amir Johnson- 900 nba games played
Jarret Jack- 900 nba games played
Bobby Brown, one of most well decorated Euroleague scorers


How da ***k can you know are they good when their roster is made of 2 former nba players who have 1800 nba games combined. Jarrett Jack on his own has more nba games played than rest of whole G league rosters together. Probably x10 more.
Amir Johnson isn't even washed up, guy is 33 years old. It's ridicilous.

"Kamings and Green look good" no s*** , their team is like Dream team 1992 vs Vatican and they just hoist shots to look good.


And when you go to G league page they literally tell you " 45% of all nba players played in G league " and even have audacity to keep CJ Mcullum's picture there as reminded he came from G league.... ( assuming nobody wants to fact check it and figure out that CJ was sent there for epic amount of TWO games in rookie year , because he was getting back from injury).
But it's just NBA/ G league 101. Self promotion, agendas ,fake news and half baked "truth".

[Ducklett]

Oh come on with this competition " better than college". They just play 48 min, nobody guards anybody and stats are inflated.

Mosses Brown averaged 9,7 ppg at college, basiaclly never suited for Porland and now averages 20 ppg, 14 rpg .
Luka Samanic bounced off Spurs rotation despite being mid first round pick, still good enough for 22 ppg, 11 rpg in G league.

I've already mentioned " GOAT Poole" who couldn't even put up 15ppg at college ,but few months later in G league averaged 26 ppg.

Competition is flat out bad.

Even notion that so far best player has been Kevin Porter, guy who Cavs cut because they had zero desire to handle his behavior tells you everything you need to know how to evaluate G league.

if i tell you there is 20 yeras old kid avearging 26 ppg, 7 apg , 4 rpg on good efficiency, is athletic , on that premise alone you would fap over him and think he is lottery pick. Guy was #30 pick and due behavior issues was traded for protected second round pick...

This nba future rookies that went through this rout just wanted some cash and easy way out.. Green, Kuminga will put up stats, because this is league where NIck Stauskas will end up averaging 20 ppg, but context of those numbers will be biggest grey area possible to evaluate for fans and scouts. You have guys here who are 20 y.o. and put up ridicilous stats, but who were terrible nba players just few months ago, and only reason why they are in G league is because they suck so bad that they can't even find spot on deep bench of their teams.

Edwards today would probably average 30 points in this league , without even trying hard. Lamelo would average as much as he wants.

Is your analysis of any draft prospect “they aren’t good because they aren’t in the nba”? Not really sure how else to dissect your argument.

Are you also disagreeing with the majority of ranking systems and professional scouting services?

I mean I get that there are definitely players that will not translate to the nba and some will be busts. There are definitely reasons that these specific players are highly regarded. It’s not like they drew these names out of a hat.

My issue with G league as place of evluation of talent is purpose of existence of that league, G League Ingite in particular.

College ranks play competitive sport that is not professional only because NCAA politics, not because it's not runned like professional league ( how many times somebody was busted for being payed under a table ? Too many times to count ...) where goal is to win championship. Inner motivation of players is to play for something and compete for title, and in context of winning, affirm themselfs as elite prospects. That puts things in order where coaches are searching for best options for a team and in process make "selection" of players. Many times 5 star recruits actually don't play or flat out suck. Invisible hand principle 101.

G league?

I don't think you can point to any league and say "well this is going to show prospects better than the others". We have seen time and time again these G-League stars come into NBA games and look worse than I would out there. We hear about college players only looking good because they are playing against other kids "Just wait til they see grown men". We hear Euro players will be good because they are playing against pros and start playing pro from 16 and get guys like Mario Hezonja. It isn't a science at all. It is a case by case basis for all of it.

[MagicFan101]

With what we know about the current roster:

1a. Green
1b. Suggs
2. Cade
3. Kuminga



4. Mobley

In that order.

I don’t understand this post.

The #1 thing I understand about this roster is no one is worth building around or planning around. So why draft around any of them?

- Evan will be traded or walk
- Fultz has outs in his deal
- AG is likely to be traded this season or this summer

- Vuc is our only all star and has a friendly contract. He is movable if Mobley is the BPA

- Isaac is the closest thing to a lock due the structure of the new deal

FRANCHISE STAR: this is all I care about if we have the option of more than one of these 5 guys. I do not give a damn about who is currently on our roster. Who of the available guys on the clock has the most star potential? If they can’t play with someone on our roster then trade that dude.

[pepe1991]

Is your analysis of any draft prospect “they aren’t good because they aren’t in the nba”? Not really sure how else to dissect your argument.

Are you also disagreeing with the majority of ranking systems and professional scouting services?

I mean I get that there are definitely players that will not translate to the nba and some will be busts. There are definitely reasons that these specific players are highly regarded. It’s not like they drew these names out of a hat.

My issue with G league as place of evluation of talent is purpose of existence of that league, G League Ingite in particular.

College ranks play competitive sport that is not professional only because NCAA politics, not because it's not runned like professional league ( how many times somebody was busted for being payed under a table ? Too many times to count ...) where goal is to win championship. Inner motivation of players is to play for something and compete for title, and in context of winning, affirm themselfs as elite prospects. That puts things in order where coaches are searching for best options for a team and in process make "selection" of players. Many times 5 star recruits actually don't play or flat out suck. Invisible hand principle 101.

G league?

I don't think you can point to any league and say "well this is going to show prospects better than the others". We have seen time and time again these G-League stars come into NBA games and look worse than I would out there. We hear about college players only looking good because they are playing against other kids "Just wait til they see grown men". We hear Euro players will be good because they are playing against pros and start playing pro from 16 and get guys like Mario Hezonja. It isn't a science at all. It is a case by case basis for all of it.

Issue is outside help.
College teams have age limitations/ academic level. You can't suit up Aaron Gordon for next collega game.

Euro teams have no age limitations but most of the time young future first round picks are by default on great teams, so their teammates are highly payed pros and that equals out age issue.

NBA owned - G league ignite however just took adventage of non existing parity, created by NBA.
Where other teams just put up their roter leftovers and cheap G league bodies, G league Ignite added freaking 3 elite players (albet 2 outside their best years) just to "put over" Kuminga and Green.
Where other teams hire their young coaches to learn, ignite hires non other than former nba coach Brian Shaw.
What will happen if Kuminga and Green flop in nba? Doesn't matter, they will go high and nba will self promote itself as "look, you can now join nba without college and earn money".

Where i don't care they they are trying to kill NCAA, lenghts NBA is willing to "prove" anything is ridicilous.

But i refuse to be fool and take seriously numbers Kuminga and Green are putting. Because their team is bringing nuclar bomb to toddler's fight just to prove a point.
When you lobsided level of talent so much into your favor, it's not hard to look great.

I'm not saying Kuminga and Green suck, i'm trying to point out that you will never know how good or bad they are , nor you will know their strenghts or weaknesses while they are basically playing tournament that only exists because of two of them.

[Ducklett]

My issue with G league as place of evluation of talent is purpose of existence of that league, G League Ingite in particular.

College ranks play competitive sport that is not professional only because NCAA politics, not because it's not runned like professional league ( how many times somebody was busted for being payed under a table ? Too many times to count ...) where goal is to win championship. Inner motivation of players is to play for something and compete for title, and in context of winning, affirm themselfs as elite prospects. That puts things in order where coaches are searching for best options for a team and in process make "selection" of players. Many times 5 star recruits actually don't play or flat out suck. Invisible hand principle 101.

G league?

I don't think you can point to any league and say "well this is going to show prospects better than the others". We have seen time and time again these G-League stars come into NBA games and look worse than I would out there. We hear about college players only looking good because they are playing against other kids "Just wait til they see grown men". We hear Euro players will be good because they are playing against pros and start playing pro from 16 and get guys like Mario Hezonja. It isn't a science at all. It is a case by case basis for all of it.

Issue is outside help.
College teams have age limitations/ academic level. You can't suit up Aaron Gordon for next collega game.

Euro teams have no age limitations but most of the time young future first round picks are by default on great teams, so their teammates are highly payed pros and that equals out age issue.

NBA owned - G league ignite however just took adventage of non existing parity, created by NBA.
Where other teams just put up their roter leftovers and cheap G league bodies, G league Ignite added freaking 3 elite players (albet 2 outside their best years) just to "put over" Kuminga and Green.
Where other teams hire their young coaches to learn, ignite hires non other than former nba coach Brian Shaw.
What will happen if Kuminga and Green flop in nba? Doesn't matter, they will go high and nba will self promote itself as "look, you can now join nba without college and earn money".

Where i don't care they they are trying to kill NCAA, lenghts NBA is willing to "prove" anything is ridicilous.

But i refuse to be fool and take seriously numbers Kuminga and Green are putting. Because their team is bringing nuclar bomb to toddler's fight just to prove a point.
When you lobsided level of talent so much into your favor, it's not hard to look great.

I'm not saying Kuminga and Green suck, i'm trying to point out that you will never know how good or bad they are , nor you will know their strenghts or weaknesses while they are basically playing tournament that only exists because of two of them.

I agree with you. Anyone arguing the league a player plays in makes them good/bad is foolish.

[VFX]

With what we know about the current roster:

1a. Green
1b. Suggs
2. Cade
3. Kuminga



4. Mobley

In that order.

I don’t understand this post.

The #1 thing I understand about this roster is no one is worth building around or planning around. So why draft around any of them?

- Evan will be traded or walk
- Fultz has outs in his deal
- AG is likely to be traded this season or this summer

- Vuc is our only all star and has a friendly contract. He is movable if Mobley is the BPA

- Isaac is the closest thing to a lock due the structure of the new deal

FRANCHISE STAR: this is all I care about if we have the option of more than one of these 5 guys. I do not give a damn about who is currently on our roster. Who of the available guys on the clock has the most star potential? If they can’t play with someone on our roster then trade that dude.

Yes and no.

Yes, Magic should be looking at drafting a franchise star whoever that happens to be.

Most everyone on the roster is movable and the pick shouldn’t necessarily be about the current roster - I agree, except for one small caveat. Isaac.

The bottom line is that Isaac is a piece that will always be factored into the rotation whenever healthy. That’s not changing anytime soon like you said. Therefore, you have to ask yourself if Kuminga is a good compliment to him. That matters a lot less if Cade,Green, and Suggs are off the board.

The big board is moreso who I believe has better value/upside to winning basketball, based on skill set/position, of all options available. With that in mind, at pick #1-4 I’m never taking Mobley in that situation. You can take that as my personal opinion or by some other quantifiable metric based on positional asset value. Doesn’t matter to me.

Even if you hypothetically replaced Vuc with Mobley, how much would Clifford’s system change? I would guess not much.

[MagicFan101]

With what we know about the current roster:

1a. Green
1b. Suggs
2. Cade
3. Kuminga



4. Mobley

In that order.

I don’t understand this post.

The #1 thing I understand about this roster is no one is worth building around or planning around. So why draft around any of them?

- Evan will be traded or walk
- Fultz has outs in his deal
- AG is likely to be traded this season or this summer

- Vuc is our only all star and has a friendly contract. He is movable if Mobley is the BPA

- Isaac is the closest thing to a lock due the structure of the new deal

FRANCHISE STAR: this is all I care about if we have the option of more than one of these 5 guys. I do not give a damn about who is currently on our roster. Who of the available guys on the clock has the most star potential? If they can’t play with someone on our roster then trade that dude.

Yes and no.

Yes, Magic should be looking at drafting a franchise star whoever that happens to be.

Most everyone on the roster is movable and the pick shouldn’t necessarily be about the current roster - I agree, except for one small caveat. Isaac.

The bottom line is that Isaac is a piece that will always be factored into the rotation whenever healthy. That’s not changing anytime soon like you said. Therefore, you have to ask yourself if Kuminga is a good compliment to him. That matters a lot less if Cade,Green, and Suggs are off the board.

The big board is moreso who I believe has better value/upside to winning basketball, based on skill set/position, of all options available. With that in mind, at pick #1-4 I’m never taking Mobley in that situation. You can take that as my personal opinion or by some other quantifiable metric based on positional asset value. Doesn’t matter to me.

Even if you hypothetically replaced Vuc with Mobley, how much would Clifford’s system change? I would guess not much.

To be clear ...

My personal big board is:
1) Cade
2a) Suggs
2b) Green
4) Kuminga
5) Mobley

So I’m really not disagreeing with your order. I simply don’t care about this dumpster fire of a roster and I accept that I could be / probably am wrong about the future of these guys.

[VFX]

Oh come on with this competition " better than college". They just play 48 min, nobody guards anybody and stats are inflated.

Mosses Brown averaged 9,7 ppg at college, basiaclly never suited for Porland and now averages 20 ppg, 14 rpg .
Luka Samanic bounced off Spurs rotation despite being mid first round pick, still good enough for 22 ppg, 11 rpg in G league.

I've already mentioned " GOAT Poole" who couldn't even put up 15ppg at college ,but few months later in G league averaged 26 ppg.

Competition is flat out bad.

Even notion that so far best player has been Kevin Porter, guy who Cavs cut because they had zero desire to handle his behavior tells you everything you need to know how to evaluate G league.

if i tell you there is 20 yeras old kid avearging 26 ppg, 7 apg , 4 rpg on good efficiency, is athletic , on that premise alone you would fap over him and think he is lottery pick. Guy was #30 pick and due behavior issues was traded for protected second round pick...

This nba future rookies that went through this rout just wanted some cash and easy way out.. Green, Kuminga will put up stats, because this is league where NIck Stauskas will end up averaging 20 ppg, but context of those numbers will be biggest grey area possible to evaluate for fans and scouts. You have guys here who are 20 y.o. and put up ridicilous stats, but who were terrible nba players just few months ago, and only reason why they are in G league is because they suck so bad that they can't even find spot on deep bench of their teams.

Edwards today would probably average 30 points in this league , without even trying hard. Lamelo would average as much as he wants.

Is your analysis of any draft prospect “they aren’t good because they aren’t in the nba”? Not really sure how else to dissect your argument.

Are you also disagreeing with the majority of ranking systems and professional scouting services?

I mean I get that there are definitely players that will not translate to the nba and some will be busts. There are definitely reasons that these specific players are highly regarded. It’s not like they drew these names out of a hat.

My issue with G league as place of evluation of talent is purpose of existence of that league, G League Ingite in particular.

College ranks play competitive sport that is not professional only because NCAA politics, not because it's not runned like professional league ( how many times somebody was busted for being payed under a table ? Too many times to count ...) where goal is to win championship. Inner motivation of players is to play for something and compete for title, and in context of winning, affirm themselfs as elite prospects. That puts things in order where coaches are searching for best options for a team and in process make "selection" of players. Many times 5 star recruits actually don't play or flat out suck. Invisible hand principle 101.

G league?

G league in conetxt of nba and basketball in general has no purpose, it was never "develomental" system, G league's last MVP was just cut by Magic after reciving 10 days contract. That league serves no value.it's scrubs playground. Place where you send players if you don't know what do to with them, since nba does not allow player loans like it's case in some other sports. It's literally failed project without future.

But instad of addmiting L, Silver and company craeted fabricated , fictional G league team that will pay teenagers some pocket money to promote G league as their project. Their punch in face toward NCAA " see, we can pay them and create stars without you". Petty behavior really. Never expected anything less from far left political wing anyway.
Where other teams play their end of a bench guys and mostly their G league guys, fabricated fictional nba project named G league ignite suited up non other than:
Amir Johnson- 900 nba games played
Jarret Jack- 900 nba games played
Bobby Brown, one of most well decorated Euroleague scorers


How da ***k can you know are they good when their roster is made of 2 former nba players who have 1800 nba games combined. Jarrett Jack on his own has more nba games played than rest of whole G league rosters together. Probably x10 more.
Amir Johnson isn't even washed up, guy is 33 years old. It's ridicilous.

"Kamings and Green look good" no s*** , their team is like Dream team 1992 vs Vatican and they just hoist shots to look good.


And when you go to G league page they literally tell you " 45% of all nba players played in G league " and even have audacity to keep CJ Mcullum's picture there as reminded he came from G league.... ( assuming nobody wants to fact check it and figure out that CJ was sent there for epic amount of TWO games in rookie year , because he was getting back from injury).
But it's just NBA/ G league 101. Self promotion, agendas ,fake news and half baked "truth".

I see your point about the G-league, but it doesn’t really distinguish the fact that these guys were highly ranked/rated out of HS. They would likely be doing very well in college too.

The jump between any prior league and the NBA is always going to be vast. I just don’t understand coming to conclusions on players just because of the league they play in prior to the nba. They have to get there somehow.

[VFX]

I don’t understand this post.

The #1 thing I understand about this roster is no one is worth building around or planning around. So why draft around any of them?

- Evan will be traded or walk
- Fultz has outs in his deal
- AG is likely to be traded this season or this summer

- Vuc is our only all star and has a friendly contract. He is movable if Mobley is the BPA

- Isaac is the closest thing to a lock due the structure of the new deal

FRANCHISE STAR: this is all I care about if we have the option of more than one of these 5 guys. I do not give a damn about who is currently on our roster. Who of the available guys on the clock has the most star potential? If they can’t play with someone on our roster then trade that dude.

Yes and no.

Yes, Magic should be looking at drafting a franchise star whoever that happens to be.

Most everyone on the roster is movable and the pick shouldn’t necessarily be about the current roster - I agree, except for one small caveat. Isaac.

The bottom line is that Isaac is a piece that will always be factored into the rotation whenever healthy. That’s not changing anytime soon like you said. Therefore, you have to ask yourself if Kuminga is a good compliment to him. That matters a lot less if Cade,Green, and Suggs are off the board.

The big board is moreso who I believe has better value/upside to winning basketball, based on skill set/position, of all options available. With that in mind, at pick #1-4 I’m never taking Mobley in that situation. You can take that as my personal opinion or by some other quantifiable metric based on positional asset value. Doesn’t matter to me.

Even if you hypothetically replaced Vuc with Mobley, how much would Clifford’s system change? I would guess not much.

To be clear ...

My personal big board is:
1) Cade
2a) Suggs
2b) Green
4) Kuminga
5) Mobley

So I’m really not disagreeing with your order. I simply don’t care about this dumpster fire of a roster and I accept that I could be / probably am wrong about the future of these guys.

Most sane people would probably agree with your list to varying degree. I don’t care about this roster either. I just hope that Orlando decides to draft a player that can create offense and opportunities for winning basketball. I won’t be “upset” with any of those 5 depending on when they are chosen.

[Ducklett]

Cade is getting better every game. Its crazy to watch. I hope we win the lotto and get this guy. You are talking about completely changing the future of this trash-tier franchise.