Assembling Core 2.0

Almost Retired · Post #261 » by **Almost Retired** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:30 pm

I wonder if we can do a deal with Phoenix. They're not having a bad season but they're in a tough Division. A little more firepower might help them. We send them Lauri and they ship us either Mikal Bridges or Cameron Johnson plus E'Twaun Moore. We draft a SF in the next draft and have them play behind Johnson or Bridges. We let PWill take over the #4. We try to trade Otto for anything we can get. We let Hutch, Felicio, Mokoka and Kornet go. Resign Thad. Maybe sign Lorenzo Ball as RFA. Have Coby as our 6th man microwave scorer or run 3 guard lineups with combinations of between Ball, Zach, Coby, Moore, Temple and Valentine. Improve our front court depth with moderately priced free agents. We give Wendell one more year to see if he's worth keeping. If not we move from him knowing we need to get a Center. But we'd be solid at guard, SF and PF.

nomorezorro · Post #262 » by **nomorezorro** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:56 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:The player you are looking for is Devonte Graham. He won't be cheap, but there is a decent chance the Hornets will move on from him and stick with Rozier (already on a long term deal) and Lamelo (their new face of the franchise).

Now this is the CORE 2.0 thread (i.e. the trade Lavine path) thread, but if we are trying to build around Lavine then Devonte Graham fits like a glove as an offensive complement.

i was thinking graham could be a decent fit and available, but it looks like he's regressed scoring-wise this year which is a bummer. i guess if he was scoring as well as he did last year he wouldn't be a realistic target though

TheSuzerain · Post #263 » by **TheSuzerain** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:46 pm

nomorezorro wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:The player you are looking for is Devonte Graham. He won't be cheap, but there is a decent chance the Hornets will move on from him and stick with Rozier (already on a long term deal) and Lamelo (their new face of the franchise).

Now this is the CORE 2.0 thread (i.e. the trade Lavine path) thread, but if we are trying to build around Lavine then Devonte Graham fits like a glove as an offensive complement.

i was thinking graham could be a decent fit and available, but it looks like he's regressed scoring-wise this year which is a bummer. i guess if he was scoring as well as he did last year he wouldn't be a realistic target though

He started out truly terrible shooting the ball but normalized since then.

But yeah, if he was playing great Charlotte would just retain him.

And even still, he's got fantastic +/- stats. He's not an empty calories player.

MisterRoy · Post #264 » by **MisterRoy** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:55 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
nomorezorro wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:The player you are looking for is Devonte Graham. He won't be cheap, but there is a decent chance the Hornets will move on from him and stick with Rozier (already on a long term deal) and Lamelo (their new face of the franchise).

Now this is the CORE 2.0 thread (i.e. the trade Lavine path) thread, but if we are trying to build around Lavine then Devonte Graham fits like a glove as an offensive complement.

i was thinking graham could be a decent fit and available, but it looks like he's regressed scoring-wise this year which is a bummer. i guess if he was scoring as well as he did last year he wouldn't be a realistic target though

He started out truly terrible shooting the ball but normalized since then.

But yeah, if he was playing great Charlotte would just retain him.

And even still, he's got fantastic +/- stats. He's not an empty calories player.

I think it's worth a poke to see what he'd cost. They have Melo and Rosier. I bet we could pry him away with some creative offerings.

Sent from somewhere you've never been.

TheSuzerain · Post #265 » by **TheSuzerain** » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:31 am

MisterRoy wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:
nomorezorro wrote:
i was thinking graham could be a decent fit and available, but it looks like he's regressed scoring-wise this year which is a bummer. i guess if he was scoring as well as he did last year he wouldn't be a realistic target though

He started out truly terrible shooting the ball but normalized since then.

But yeah, if he was playing great Charlotte would just retain him.

And even still, he's got fantastic +/- stats. He's not an empty calories player.

I think it's worth a poke to see what he'd cost. They have Melo and Rosier. I bet we could pry him away with some creative offerings.

Sent from somewhere you've never been.

They are desperate for a center.

WCJ + ??? for Graham might be a reasonable basis for a deal.

MisterRoy · Post #266 » by **MisterRoy** » Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:00 am

TheSuzerain wrote:
MisterRoy wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:He started out truly terrible shooting the ball but normalized since then.

But yeah, if he was playing great Charlotte would just retain him.

And even still, he's got fantastic +/- stats. He's not an empty calories player.

I think it's worth a poke to see what he'd cost. They have Melo and Rosier. I bet we could pry him away with some creative offerings.

Sent from somewhere you've never been.

They are desperate for a center.

WCJ + ??? for Graham might be a reasonable basis for a deal.

Maybe a 1 for 1?

Sent from somewhere you've never been.

sco · Post #267 » by **sco** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:00 pm

My best idea of the moment:

Trade Lauri/Otto/filler (which might need include white or a protected or future 1st) for Grant (and probably Griffin)

It would be great if we could nab Ball or Rubio via reasonable trade.

nomorezorro · Post #268 » by **nomorezorro** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:51 pm

is there any reason to believe the pistons would trade away a guy they just signed who is performing very well?

gobullschi · Post #269 » by **gobullschi** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:41 pm

nomorezorro wrote:is there any reason to believe the pistons would trade away a guy they just signed who is performing very well?

Not much. It would be a good sell - high move and if Detroit doesn’t expect to be contending before his contract expires, he might end up leaving before they’ve had time to build around him.

WindyCityBorn · Post #270 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:08 pm

Almost Retired wrote:I wonder if we can do a deal with Phoenix. They're not having a bad season but they're in a tough Division. A little more firepower might help them. We send them Lauri and they ship us either Mikal Bridges or Cameron Johnson plus E'Twaun Moore. We draft a SF in the next draft and have them play behind Johnson or Bridges. We let PWill take over the #4. We try to trade Otto for anything we can get. We let Hutch, Felicio, Mokoka and Kornet go. Resign Thad. Maybe sign Lorenzo Ball as RFA. Have Coby as our 6th man microwave scorer or run 3 guard lineups with combinations of between Ball, Zach, Coby, Moore, Temple and Valentine. Improve our front court depth with moderately priced free agents. We give Wendell one more year to see if he's worth keeping. If not we move from him knowing we need to get a Center. But we'd be solid at guard, SF and PF.

I would not trade Lauri for that.

Post #271 » by **coldfish** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:32 pm

Almost Retired wrote:I wonder if we can do a deal with Phoenix. They're not having a bad season but they're in a tough Division. A little more firepower might help them. We send them Lauri and they ship us either Mikal Bridges or Cameron Johnson plus E'Twaun Moore. We draft a SF in the next draft and have them play behind Johnson or Bridges. We let PWill take over the #4. We try to trade Otto for anything we can get. We let Hutch, Felicio, Mokoka and Kornet go. Resign Thad. Maybe sign Lorenzo Ball as RFA. Have Coby as our 6th man microwave scorer or run 3 guard lineups with combinations of between Ball, Zach, Coby, Moore, Temple and Valentine. Improve our front court depth with moderately priced free agents. We give Wendell one more year to see if he's worth keeping. If not we move from him knowing we need to get a Center. But we'd be solid at guard, SF and PF.

IMO, trading Lauri for a player with more time on their rookie contract would be a great idea. Bridges or Johnson would be good fits but I don't think Phoenix would pull the trigger for the reasons that you state the Bulls should.

I wouldn't hit a dead dog in the ass with Lonzo. Terrible fit.

sco · Post #272 » by **sco** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:18 pm

gobullschi wrote:
nomorezorro wrote:is there any reason to believe the pistons would trade away a guy they just signed who is performing very well?

Not much. It would be a good sell - high move and if Detroit doesn’t expect to be contending before his contract expires, he might end up leaving before they’ve had time to build around him.

Sorta the same argument some folks here have on Zach. You have a guy who is clearly very good, but not good enough to get you to the playoffs alone. Do you keep him or do you convert him in to assets that may ultimately prove valuable. Grant is even a couple years older than Zach.

gobullschi · Post #273 » by **gobullschi** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:27 pm

sco wrote:
gobullschi wrote:
nomorezorro wrote:is there any reason to believe the pistons would trade away a guy they just signed who is performing very well?

Not much. It would be a good sell - high move and if Detroit doesn’t expect to be contending before his contract expires, he might end up leaving before they’ve had time to build around him.

Sorta the same argument some folks here have on Zach. You have a guy who is clearly very good, but not good enough to get you to the playoffs alone. Do you keep him or do you convert him in to assets that may ultimately prove valuable. Grant is even a couple years older than Zach.

Yet people are hesitant to put together a package of players and draft picks big enough to acquire either.

Chi town · Post #274 » by **Chi town** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:54 am

So let’s say Bulls get healthy. Get the 7th seed and lose in 1st round in 6 games.

This summer we sign Lonzo and Lauri to 4/80.

We bring back Thad Sato and Val. Sign a vet min big.

We draft Kispert.

What does this team do next season after tasting playoffs?

Lonzo/Coby
Lavine/Temple
PW/Kispert/Val
Lauri/Thad
WCJ/Lauri/Vet

nomorezorro · Post #275 » by **nomorezorro** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:09 am

Almost Retired wrote:I wonder if we can do a deal with Phoenix. They're not having a bad season but they're in a tough Division. A little more firepower might help them. We send them Lauri and they ship us either Mikal Bridges or Cameron Johnson plus E'Twaun Moore.

they've got the fourth-best record in the nba! mikal bridges is 24 and putting up an elite role player season!

TheSuzerain · Post #276 » by **TheSuzerain** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:55 pm

Chi town wrote:So let’s say Bulls get healthy. Get the 7th seed and lose in 1st round in 6 games.

This summer we sign Lonzo and Lauri to 4/80.

We bring back Thad Sato and Val. Sign a vet min big.

We draft Kispert.

What does this team do next season after tasting playoffs?

Lonzo/Coby
Lavine/Temple
PW/Kispert/Val
Lauri/Thad
WCJ/Lauri/Vet

Lose in 1st round again

Almost Retired · Post #277 » by **Almost Retired** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:14 pm

Chi town wrote:So let’s say Bulls get healthy. Get the 7th seed and lose in 1st round in 6 games.

This summer we sign Lonzo and Lauri to 4/80.

We bring back Thad Sato and Val. Sign a vet min big.

We draft Kispert.

What does this team do next season after tasting playoffs?

Lonzo/Coby
Lavine/Temple
PW/Kispert/Val
Lauri/Thad
WCJ/Lauri/Vet

We could do worse than Kispert if we're drafting between 8 and 13. Maybe doesn't have all star potential but very unlikely to be a bust. He could be a great plug and play addition. He's not just an above average shooter. He can finish inside. He's built pretty well at 6'7" and 220. He's got some toughness to him in a John Paxson kind of way, but with more size. He makes teammates better. We'd be lucky to add him to the mix.

Post #278 » by **DuckIII** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:20 pm

nomorezorro wrote:
Almost Retired wrote:I wonder if we can do a deal with Phoenix. They're not having a bad season but they're in a tough Division. A little more firepower might help them. We send them Lauri and they ship us either Mikal Bridges or Cameron Johnson plus E'Twaun Moore.

they've got the fourth-best record in the nba! mikal bridges is 24 and putting up an elite role player season!

We’d have to abduct Robert Sarver’s child Raising Arizona style to get them to take Lauri for Bridges as ransom.

Which I’m willing to do. So who’s with me?

Almost Retired · Post #279 » by **Almost Retired** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:23 pm

nomorezorro wrote:
Almost Retired wrote:I wonder if we can do a deal with Phoenix. They're not having a bad season but they're in a tough Division. A little more firepower might help them. We send them Lauri and they ship us either Mikal Bridges or Cameron Johnson plus E'Twaun Moore.

they've got the fourth-best record in the nba! mikal bridges is 24 and putting up an elite role player season!

They have been on a hot streak lately. But they could use an upgrade at their starting #4. I'd take Cameron Johnson and Moore for Lauri.
Lauri just doesn't have the all around game and the ability to stay healthy that warrants a long term deal in the numbers he is likely going to want. Getting something for him now is better getting nothing if he gets a prohibitive RFA deal we don't want to match and he walks. Then draft a 3-4 like Scottie Barnes. Dump the end of our current bench and add a few guys that can actually play, especially for our front court.

MGB8 · Post #280 » by **MGB8** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:58 pm

DuckIII wrote:
nomorezorro wrote:
Almost Retired wrote:I wonder if we can do a deal with Phoenix. They're not having a bad season but they're in a tough Division. A little more firepower might help them. We send them Lauri and they ship us either Mikal Bridges or Cameron Johnson plus E'Twaun Moore.

they've got the fourth-best record in the nba! mikal bridges is 24 and putting up an elite role player season!

We’d have to abduct Robert Sarver’s child Raising Arizona style to get them to take Lauri for Bridges as ransom.

Which I’m willing to do. So who’s with me?

This sounds like the intro to a movie from the early 2000's.