What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling?

[GrandTheftRondo]

Some of you guys are ridiculous. So Jaylen needs to take on the bulk of the scoring load with efficiency, be a staunch defender, and rack up assists to scrubs who can’t hit a shot while he’s recovering from injury to satisfy you? Some fans constantly raise the bar to absurd levels to justify their bad takes.

Jaylen Brown is about to start the ASG and is one of two things that isnt the problem with this team. He’s grown every year.

Some Boston fans are toxic honestly.

I could point to a flaw with every damn NBA superstar even LeBron.

This idea that Jaylen has to be a Harden like passing SG is ludicrous.

This team isn’t losing right now because Jaylen can’t get 5-6 assists a game.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Some of you guys are ridiculous. So Jaylen needs to take on the bulk of the scoring load with efficiency, be a staunch defender, and rack up assists to scrubs who can’t hit a shot while he’s recovering from injury to satisfy you? Some fans constantly raise the bar to absurd levels to justify their bad takes.

Jaylen Brown is about to start the ASG and is one of two things that isnt the problem with this team. He’s grown every year.

Some Boston fans are toxic honestly.

I could point to a flaw with every damn NBA superstar even LeBron.

This idea that Jaylen has to be a Harden like passing SG is ludicrous.

This team isn’t losing right now because Jaylen can’t get 5-6 assists a game.

Jaylen trying to score himself instead of passing to guys like Teague, Grant or Javonte is the problem with our team...

Some dudes are completely missing the forest for the trees right now.

[rd26]

To get to 5 assists last night, JB would have required 16 more passes. He took 21 shots.

So would 2/5 for 6 pts and 5 a@ists out of JB make this team better?

[Objectivity]

It boils down to the media hype getting to the players. The Celtics need a coach to tell all the “Stars” they are not great players yet. As the Celtics record continues to drop, I am not convinced Jaylen is deserving of an All Star spot.

It starts from the top. It’s not ALL on Brad. Kemba, TT, Jaylen, and JT all have a tendency to try to do it all themselves. Kemba and JT are skilled enough and command enough defensive attention to make adjustments to get other players easy baskets.

Jaylen does not have natural court vision in his game. He needs to stop counting points and learn to get other capable teammates involved. He is young so I understand he is just pressing to make the the All Star team, but at what cost? There are many average NBA players who can put up numbers on an average or bad team. IF the system allows.

Brad is still learning the best way to humble egos. We all know Jaylen is a good person off the court. Between the lines, players are not buying in to the coaches ball movement message. Jaylen consistently misses the right pass to capable players not just role players. No excuses.

[return2glory]

I’m disappointed in both Brown and Tatum over the past few weeks. They are both playing for stats instead of for wins. Neither one is making their teammates better.

Both of them need to play better defense, rebound more, move the ball around instead of trying to get their own.

Part of this is Brad’s fault. Part of it is Danny’s fault. They’ve been handed the keys to the team and both are failing.

Last year they had Kemba and Hayward to help them. This year Ainge loaded the team with trash.

The ball needs to be out of the hands of Tatum and Brown and into the hands of Kemba and Smart with Marcus returns.

It’s ugly basketball by Boston and Tatum and Brown are the partially responsible for that.

[Fencer reregistered]

Some of you guys are ridiculous. So Jaylen needs to take on the bulk of the scoring load with efficiency, be a staunch defender, and rack up assists to scrubs who can’t hit a shot while he’s recovering from injury to satisfy you? Some fans constantly raise the bar to absurd levels to justify their bad takes.

Jaylen Brown is about to start the ASG and is one of two things that isnt the problem with this team. He’s grown every year.

Some Boston fans are toxic honestly.

I could point to a flaw with every damn NBA superstar even LeBron.

This idea that Jaylen has to be a Harden like passing SG is ludicrous.

This team isn’t losing right now because Jaylen can’t get 5-6 assists a game.

Actually, Jaylen's just going to be an All-Star reserve. Pfft.

[24istheLAW]

Jaylen trying to score himself instead of passing to guys like Teague, Grant or Javonte is the problem with our team...

Some dudes are completely missing the forest for the trees right now.

Not to mention. Jaylen last year averaged 2.1 assists and 2.2 turnovers per game. He's made as dramatic an improvement as a passer as you see NBA players make, pretty much. It seems to me an unreasonable expectation for him to flip some switch and be an even better passer.

I do think the Jays are stopping the ball too much. But that's more about their off-ball work not being good enough, not a lack of willingness to pass, and also partially a consequence of the roster around them being woefully inadequate.

[Feed Your Head]

I’d assume Harden gets the other starting guard spot next to Beal, they are on fire and he’s averaging 23/9/12 with them. Unless this team turns it around really quickly, I’m guessing only one of the Jays make the all star team.

Curious to see how it affects their play the next week or two.

[zoyathedestroya]

Among 148 players who get at least 40 touches per game, Jaylen is 2nd to Zion in points per touch. He's been efficient with his touches and when he touches the ball, he's looking to score. (He was 7th among 166 players last season who met that criteria.)



At this point of his career, he's a scorer first, scorer 2nd, then ball-mover last. Maybe the Cs just need to accept that right now and build an offense that maximizes his strength as a finisher. Worry about the playmaking later. Let Kemba, Smart, and Tatum do most of that for now.

[Feed Your Head]

Among 148 players who get at least 40 touches per game, Jaylen is 2nd to Zion in points per touch. He's been efficient with his touches and when he touches the ball, he's looking to score. (He was 7th among 166 players last season who met that criteria.)



At this point of his career, he's a scorer first, scorer 2nd, then ball-mover last. Maybe the Cs just need to accept that right now and build an offense that maximizes his strength as a finisher. Worry about the playmaking later. Let Kemba, Smart, and Tatum do most of that for now.

Ha, the timing on this is pretty fun considering what I just replied to you with in the AoS thread.

The most obvious in-house fix to the offense is having Jaylen be more of a play finisher than initiator. He leads the team in usage, that needs to change. It’s great for him and his stats, but it’s hurting the team, IMO.

Edit: this isn’t knocking Jaylen at all, he’s elite at being an efficient play finisher. Now it’s on the coaches to exploit that. Which like you said in the other thread, will be easier once Smart is back.

[BostonCouchGM]

yikes 7 turnovers. That's why you don't try and make him a playmaker. He should be a catch and shoot 3 and sometimes D on the several wide open threes his teammates afford him, who drives to the hoop on closeouts resulting in pull up mid-range or layups. That's it. That way he doesn't have to dribble or think. Maybe then he can focus on defense again because he's been real bad on that end this season. I'd take a legit 3 and D from him over whatever it is we're getting now.

[BK_2020]

Let’s hope 7 turnovers is his ceiling.

[Saint Lazarus]

yikes 7 turnovers. That's why you don't try and make him a playmaker. He should be a catch and shoot 3 and sometimes D on the several wide open threes his teammates afford him, who drives to the hoop on closeouts resulting in pull up mid-range or layups. That's it. That way he doesn't have to dribble or think. Maybe then he can focus on defense again because he's been real bad on that end this season. I'd take a legit 3 and D from him over whatever it is we're getting now.

A BCGM Jaylen post after a solid win always keeps me right yessir

[Bleeding Green]

If only they drafted Murray who had 9 turnovers and an L.

[Celticfan_N_FL]

I believe only 2 of Jaylen TO directly led to Nuggets points. Rather not see 7 TO by him but overall didn't really hurt the team much.

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[Theocy]

Whilst he does have too many TO, he often gets the ball close to a violation and he forces things. Also his low assist numbers is way overplayed here. He is probably one of our most efficient scorers. Guys need to chill. He is currently settling at 26ppg at good efficiencies is that not enough? What this team lacks is a pass first point. And I have a feeling moving forward that will be Payton.

[keevsnick1]

Among 148 players who get at least 40 touches per game, Jaylen is 2nd to Zion in points per touch. He's been efficient with his touches and when he touches the ball, he's looking to score. (He was 7th among 166 players last season who met that criteria.)



At this point of his career, he's a scorer first, scorer 2nd, then ball-mover last. Maybe the Cs just need to accept that right now and build an offense that maximizes his strength as a finisher. Worry about the playmaking later. Let Kemba, Smart, and Tatum do most of that for now.

Ha, the timing on this is pretty fun considering what I just replied to you with in the AoS thread.

The most obvious in-house fix to the offense is having Jaylen be more of a play finisher than initiator. He leads the team in usage, that needs to change. It’s great for him and his stats, but it’s hurting the team, IMO.

Edit: this isn’t knocking Jaylen at all, he’s elite at being an efficient play finisher. Now it’s on the coaches to exploit that. Which like you said in the other thread, will be easier once Smart is back.

See I still don't get this. Jaylen, right now, is elite efficiency wise per touch in the ROLE HE"S CURRENTLY PLAYING so we should...change that role?

He has a 31% USG, 60% TS, a still very respectable Turnover rate and has doubled his AST ratio from last year all while being one of between 2-3 actually good offensive players on his team most nights.

Moving him off ball is not the answer, in part because there's a cap on your use in that role. And also becasue we just don't have the guys even with Smart healthy to move him off ball. Last year with hayward we did. The Celtics are 8-3 when he has 4 or more assists, 5-9 when he has fewer.

[Feed Your Head]

Among 148 players who get at least 40 touches per game, Jaylen is 2nd to Zion in points per touch. He's been efficient with his touches and when he touches the ball, he's looking to score. (He was 7th among 166 players last season who met that criteria.)



At this point of his career, he's a scorer first, scorer 2nd, then ball-mover last. Maybe the Cs just need to accept that right now and build an offense that maximizes his strength as a finisher. Worry about the playmaking later. Let Kemba, Smart, and Tatum do most of that for now.

Ha, the timing on this is pretty fun considering what I just replied to you with in the AoS thread.

The most obvious in-house fix to the offense is having Jaylen be more of a play finisher than initiator. He leads the team in usage, that needs to change. It’s great for him and his stats, but it’s hurting the team, IMO.

Edit: this isn’t knocking Jaylen at all, he’s elite at being an efficient play finisher. Now it’s on the coaches to exploit that. Which like you said in the other thread, will be easier once Smart is back.

See I still don't get this. Jaylen, right now, is elite efficiency wise per touch in the ROLE HE"S CURRENTLY PLAYING so we should...change that role?

He has a 31% USG, 60% TS, a still very respectable Turnover rate and has doubled his AST ratio from last year all while being one of between 2-3 actually good offensive players on his team most nights.

Moving him off ball is not the answer, in part because there's a cap on your use in that role. And also becasue we just don't have the guys even with Smart healthy to move him off ball. Last year with hayward we did. The Celtics are 8-3 when he has 4 or more assists, 5-9 when he has fewer.

Arbitrary cutoff, but they are 3-5 in games where he has a usage of 32 or higher. His style of play at the moment isn’t conducive to being the team leader in usage, which is the case.

Nobody is saying to completely take the ball out of his hands, but he shouldn’t lead the team in usage. He’d put up probably the exact same numbers he is if his usage was around 29 or so, and the ball would probably move around a bit better. It’s about what’s best for the team, not for Jaylens stats, though I don’t think they’d suffer much, if at all.

[zoyathedestroya]

Just what I noticed.. There's a difference in how Tatum and Brown get their assists. They really do play different roles on the team but still complement each other.

I feel Jaylen gets most of his assists coming off secondary action. Usually when he drives the ball, doesn't force the shot, and kicks it out to an open shooter. Rarely do they actually let him run PnR like they do with Tatum or Kemba. So they're still utilizing his strength as an attacker off the catch. Now it's up to Jaylen whether he gets all the way to the basket, pulls up, forces it into traffic (usually the cause for his TOs), or passes the ball as he draws the defense.

Tatum usually gets his assists when he draws double teams in PnR or when he gets blitzed in handoffs.

Cs do rely more on Tatum, Kemba, and Smart to initiate offense compared to Jaylen. Off the bench, PP can run the offense too as he becomes even more familiar with our sets.

I am totally fine with their current roles as long as the team as whole builds that habit of sacrificing a good shot for a better one like they did in the Nuggets game.

[Theocy]

Among 148 players who get at least 40 touches per game, Jaylen is 2nd to Zion in points per touch. He's been efficient with his touches and when he touches the ball, he's looking to score. (He was 7th among 166 players last season who met that criteria.)



At this point of his career, he's a scorer first, scorer 2nd, then ball-mover last. Maybe the Cs just need to accept that right now and build an offense that maximizes his strength as a finisher. Worry about the playmaking later. Let Kemba, Smart, and Tatum do most of that for now.

Ha, the timing on this is pretty fun considering what I just replied to you with in the AoS thread.

The most obvious in-house fix to the offense is having Jaylen be more of a play finisher than initiator. He leads the team in usage, that needs to change. It’s great for him and his stats, but it’s hurting the team, IMO.

Edit: this isn’t knocking Jaylen at all, he’s elite at being an efficient play finisher. Now it’s on the coaches to exploit that. Which like you said in the other thread, will be easier once Smart is back.

See I still don't get this. Jaylen, right now, is elite efficiency wise per touch in the ROLE HE"S CURRENTLY PLAYING so we should...change that role?

He has a 31% USG, 60% TS, a still very respectable Turnover rate and has doubled his AST ratio from last year all while being one of between 2-3 actually good offensive players on his team most nights.

Moving him off ball is not the answer, in part because there's a cap on your use in that role. And also becasue we just don't have the guys even with Smart healthy to move him off ball. Last year with hayward we did. The Celtics are 8-3 when he has 4 or more assists, 5-9 when he has fewer.

People expect him to average 30ppg 10apg