What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling?

[Bleeding Green]

Who should lead the team in usage? One of the players who put the ball in the hoop at a much worse rate?

[Feed Your Head]

Ha, the timing on this is pretty fun considering what I just replied to you with in the AoS thread.

The most obvious in-house fix to the offense is having Jaylen be more of a play finisher than initiator. He leads the team in usage, that needs to change. It’s great for him and his stats, but it’s hurting the team, IMO.

Edit: this isn’t knocking Jaylen at all, he’s elite at being an efficient play finisher. Now it’s on the coaches to exploit that. Which like you said in the other thread, will be easier once Smart is back.

See I still don't get this. Jaylen, right now, is elite efficiency wise per touch in the ROLE HE"S CURRENTLY PLAYING so we should...change that role?

He has a 31% USG, 60% TS, a still very respectable Turnover rate and has doubled his AST ratio from last year all while being one of between 2-3 actually good offensive players on his team most nights.

Moving him off ball is not the answer, in part because there's a cap on your use in that role. And also becasue we just don't have the guys even with Smart healthy to move him off ball. Last year with hayward we did. The Celtics are 8-3 when he has 4 or more assists, 5-9 when he has fewer.

People expect him to average 30ppg 10apg

Who expects that?

[Bleeding Green]

And Brown does really well with his touches so again I don't really want him touching the ball less. He also doesn't turn the ball over despite what the peanut gallery will chirp about. The only player with a higher usage and lower TO% in the entire NBA is Beal.

[Feed Your Head]

And Brown does really well with his touches so again I don't really want him touching the ball less. He also doesn't turn the ball over despite what the peanut gallery will chirp about. The only player with a higher usage and lower TO% in the entire NBA is Beal.

He’d put up pretty much the same stats if his usage was a bit lower. It’s just an opinion thing, but I think the offense would run a bit better if he had the ball in his hands a little less. The usage/TO thing is true, but he doesn’t make plays for others nearly as much as the other high usage guys.

We all want the offense to look better, we just have different ideas of how to get there.

[Bleeding Green]

He'd probably have a need to make more plays for others if he were as **** as Tatum and Walker at putting the ball in the hoop. But those guys suck at scoring effectively so they have to pass to Semi Ojeleye sometimes. When Tatum and Walker can get to league-average scoring efficiency, call me.

[Feed Your Head]

He'd probably have a need to make more plays for others if he were as **** as Tatum and Walker at putting the ball in the hoop. But those guys suck at scoring effectively so they have to pass to Semi Ojeleye sometimes. When Tatum and Walker can get to league-average scoring efficiency, call me.

Cool, but they have gone under 3-5 when Jaylen has had his highest usage games of the season. Call me when it leads to winning.

[Bleeding Green]

Are those games when Tatum doesn't play? Yeah, Tatum is a much better player than Brown, no question in my eyes. But he can't put the ball in the hoop.

[Feed Your Head]

Are those games when Tatum doesn't play? Yeah, Tatum is a much better player than Brown, no question in my eyes. But he can't put the ball in the hoop.

Two of the losses were the Philly games without Tatum, the rest he played in, I believe. Too lazy to check again though.

Tatum has sucked at scoring efficiently since being back from covid, that’s for sure. I’d like to blame that completely, but he has regressed into taking WAY too many midrange shots again. Drives me ******* crazy.

[Theocy]

See I still don't get this. Jaylen, right now, is elite efficiency wise per touch in the ROLE HE"S CURRENTLY PLAYING so we should...change that role?

He has a 31% USG, 60% TS, a still very respectable Turnover rate and has doubled his AST ratio from last year all while being one of between 2-3 actually good offensive players on his team most nights.

Moving him off ball is not the answer, in part because there's a cap on your use in that role. And also becasue we just don't have the guys even with Smart healthy to move him off ball. Last year with hayward we did. The Celtics are 8-3 when he has 4 or more assists, 5-9 when he has fewer.

People expect him to average 30ppg 10apg

Who expects that?

Come on man. Jaylen had record breaking efficiency at the start. It has now dipped a bit but he is still out most efficient scorer. People make him out to be an one dimensional player who disregards his teammates. In reality his teammates might be expecting him to score because they're so poor at doing so. A pass from jaylen to anyone who has 5-15% lower efficiency isn't an assist its an inefficient pass right now

[BK_2020]

Who should lead the team in usage? One of the players who put the ball in the hoop at a much worse rate?

Tatum

[Celtic Koala]

Who should lead the team in usage? One of the players who put the ball in the hoop at a much worse rate?

Tatum

Tatum has more potential than Brown but he has been very streaky while Brown has been more consistently good.

[Bleeding Green]

Who should lead the team in usage? One of the players who put the ball in the hoop at a much worse rate?

Tatum

I'd love it. Can he put the ball in the hoop at league average rate? Seems no. I understand Tatum is a much better playmaker now, but if the ball is in the hands of the guy who is the most effective scorer on the team a lot, that's not a bad thing.

[bucknersrevenge]

And Brown does really well with his touches so again I don't really want him touching the ball less. He also doesn't turn the ball over despite what the peanut gallery will chirp about. The only player with a higher usage and lower TO% in the entire NBA is Beal.

He’d put up pretty much the same stats if his usage was a bit lower. It’s just an opinion thing, but I think the offense would run a bit better if he had the ball in his hands a little less. The usage/TO thing is true, but he doesn’t make plays for others nearly as much as the other high usage guys.

We all want the offense to look better, we just have different ideas of how to get there.

I wpnder if much of this is a function of the teams health issues in general. Right now Smart is out. I'd imagine his Usage would be a little lower with him here. You mentioned 2 of the losses had Tatum out. Getting a fully healthy team might bring that Usage down to the numbers you're looking for.

[zoyathedestroya]

And Brown does really well with his touches so again I don't really want him touching the ball less. He also doesn't turn the ball over despite what the peanut gallery will chirp about. The only player with a higher usage and lower TO% in the entire NBA is Beal.

He’d put up pretty much the same stats if his usage was a bit lower. It’s just an opinion thing, but I think the offense would run a bit better if he had the ball in his hands a little less. The usage/TO thing is true, but he doesn’t make plays for others nearly as much as the other high usage guys.

We all want the offense to look better, we just have different ideas of how to get there.

I wpnder if much of this is a function of the teams health issues in general. Right now Smart is out. I'd imagine his Usage would be a little lower with him here. You mentioned 2 of the losses had Tatum out. Getting a fully healthy team might bring that Usage down to the numbers you're looking for.

Higher usage just means Jaylen has a larger share of field goal attempts, free throw attempts, and turnovers in game possessions than his teammates. Difference between his and Tatum's is negligible anyway. While he leads the team in usage, he's only 4th behind Smart, Tatum, and Kemba in touches per game. So what's important is what he does with those touches. For sure, we can do away with some of his turnovers but it balances out with how efficient he shoots it from anywhere on the floor. And if we want him to grow his game, mistakes are just a part of it.

To answer your question and to my point above, his usage has been about the same whether Smart is on the floor or not. What's interesting is his turnover rate is down about 5 percentage points with Smart on the floor. I'll just imply that Cs let Smart handle the ball more and set him up whenever they share the floor instead of Brown himself having to initiate the play or look for his own offense.

Lower net rating when they share the floor could be reflective of how poor our starting (esp double big) lineups have fared so far.

[Feed Your Head]

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[Matt5]

I’m watching Jaylen’s game growing before my eyes, right now .


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[zoyathedestroya]

Both Brown and Tatum (and Stevens too) should watch tapes of Bradley Beal and Steph Curry on how they get themselves free off the ball. Would really make their scoring easier. Sometimes, it looks like they have to bleed for their points.

[jfs1000d]

Nba all star. All nba player. Probably never get first team. Very very good player .


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[Objectivity]

The scouting report is out on Jaylen’s game. He is not a great player yet. I’m hoping things settle down for the team after the All Star game push.

If Jaylen does not make the All Star game this year I would not consider it a snub. Since coaches vote for reserves and not the media, I would completely understand coaches honoring more deserving players. Regardless of stats, JB’s game does not pass the eye test of a player letting the game come to him.

Great players sometimes take possessions off on defense. Jaylen has not reached that level yet. Taking breaks on defense is inexcusable.

Brad is not beyond critics either. I get the impression coaching has been tuned out.

[BostonCouchGM]

If Jaylen is your #2 then the team isn't very good and we're going nowhere. If we've learned anything this season it's this. He was the 4th best player on the court today but yet people think he's all-NBA.