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Post#1581 » by KnixtapeH20 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:02 am

DowNY wrote:Do any of y’all regret not going harder at VanVleet or Gordon hindsight wise?

Lol don't like VanVleets game or his name. Still pass. Hes easily an upgrade to anything we have yes hut that's not saying much we know we have a hole at pg until IQ is ready. If thats the direction they even go. With Rose teaching him I think they should.

If Quick develops a crossover forget it.... Its a wrap
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Post#1582 » by GEOLINK » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:21 am

F N 11 wrote:Kyrie had back pain

kD pushes Kyrie 50 yards

In pro wrestling lingo that’s called a worked injury.
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Post#1583 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:35 am

KnixtapeH20 wrote:
DowNY wrote:Do any of y’all regret not going harder at VanVleet or Gordon hindsight wise?

Lol don't like VanVleets game or his name. Still pass. Hes easily an upgrade to anything we have yes hut that's not saying much we know we have a hole at pg until IQ is ready. If thats the direction they even go. With Rose teaching him I think they should.

If Quick develops a crossover forget it.... Its a wrap




FVV is exactly the type of PG we need, which is a high volume three point shooter who defends and has proven he can play with multiple ball handlers on or off the ball. There's nothing that would stop him from playing with Quickley either, he guards 2s most nights which is incredible given his size.
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Post#1584 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:41 am

knicks94 wrote:I thought the Nets gutted their roster in the Harden trade? Shows you that holding on to the talent on your roster instead of using that talent to acquire big names is overrated.



They had Kyrie and KD on their team already.


You don't gut your roster for players like Beal or LaVine which is what some of you want to do, do we have a top 10 player on our team right now? No. Are Beal or LaVine top 10 players? No.
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Post#1585 » by JBreezeNY » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:45 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
knicks94 wrote:I thought the Nets gutted their roster in the Harden trade? Shows you that holding on to the talent on your roster instead of using that talent to acquire big names is overrated.



They had Kyrie and KD on their team already.


You don't gut your roster for players like Beal or LaVine which is what some of you want to do, do we have a top 10 player on our team right now? No.


Ding, ding, ding.

You’ve been consistent Dope, keep at it brother.

Say no to Beal & Lavine!

Sidebar but kind of related, if the Nets somehow win the title this year I think 1. Dolan is gonna remerge & 2. We’re gonna do something dumber and more desperate than the Bargs trade.
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Post#1586 » by KnixtapeH20 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:53 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
KnixtapeH20 wrote:
DowNY wrote:Do any of y’all regret not going harder at VanVleet or Gordon hindsight wise?

Lol don't like VanVleets game or his name. Still pass. Hes easily an upgrade to anything we have yes hut that's not saying much we know we have a hole at pg until IQ is ready. If thats the direction they even go. With Rose teaching him I think they should.

If Quick develops a crossover forget it.... Its a wrap




FVV is exactly the type of PG we need, which is a high volume three point shooter who defends and has proven he can play with multiple ball handlers on or off the ball. There's nothing that would stop him from playing with Quickley either, he guards 2s most nights which is incredible given his size.

I guess I just prefer taller pg's and once I heard his quote about just wanting to get paid, I wanted no part of him. No points for honesty there lol

Not something that has to be said to the public.
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Post#1587 » by spree2kawhi » Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:30 am

DowNY wrote:Are we the Suns of the East? :o :)

I'd trade Randle for Booker, so there's that.
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Post#1588 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:52 pm




He's starting to do more on ball stuff, the Blazers are 8-4 with him starting and virtually no drop off with him starting in place of CJ despite the fact he's also been playing with Kanter at center. As a starter he's also making the 3rd most threes per game, only Steph and CJ make more than him.

Forget LaVine and Beal, this is the type of player we should be going after in free agency. He's 6'6", 22 years old and has averaged 20ppg on 45% from three since going into the starting 5.
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Post#1589 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:20 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:


He's starting to do more on ball stuff, the Blazers are 8-4 with him starting and virtually no drop off with him starting in place of CJ despite the fact he's also been playing with Kanter at center. As a starter he's also making the 3rd most threes per game, only Steph and CJ make more than him.

Forget LaVine and Beal, this is the type of player we should be going after in free agency. He's 6'6", 22 years old and has averaged 20ppg on 45% from three since going into the starting 5.


What would it take to get him here?
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Post#1590 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:20 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:


He's starting to do more on ball stuff, the Blazers are 8-4 with him starting and virtually no drop off with him starting in place of CJ despite the fact he's also been playing with Kanter at center. As a starter he's also making the 3rd most threes per game, only Steph and CJ make more than him.

Forget LaVine and Beal, this is the type of player we should be going after in free agency. He's 6'6", 22 years old and has averaged 20ppg on 45% from three since going into the starting 5.


Not that LaVine is ancient, but what is good about getting an emerging player, if Trent Jr is truly emerging, at 22 years old, is that even after 3 or 4 years, that player is 25-27 years old and if he played well, VERY attractive in a trade, as he still has 4-5 peak years left.
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Post#1591 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:22 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:


He's starting to do more on ball stuff, the Blazers are 8-4 with him starting and virtually no drop off with him starting in place of CJ despite the fact he's also been playing with Kanter at center. As a starter he's also making the 3rd most threes per game, only Steph and CJ make more than him.

Forget LaVine and Beal, this is the type of player we should be going after in free agency. He's 6'6", 22 years old and has averaged 20ppg on 45% from three since going into the starting 5.


What would it take to get him here?


I said it would take 20 million and was roundly criticized.

Joe Harris, let's call similar, but with a "more established" body of work got 14.5 million.

If Knicks have to overpay a little (uh oh! hopefully not THJr time!), 17 million?
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Post#1592 » by iLLmatic860 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:24 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:


He's starting to do more on ball stuff, the Blazers are 8-4 with him starting and virtually no drop off with him starting in place of CJ despite the fact he's also been playing with Kanter at center. As a starter he's also making the 3rd most threes per game, only Steph and CJ make more than him.

Forget LaVine and Beal, this is the type of player we should be going after in free agency. He's 6'6", 22 years old and has averaged 20ppg on 45% from three since going into the starting 5.

It seems like anybody who plays the 2 is successful in Portland lol

Roy
Matthews
Cj
Trent JR

I would like to see Frank play sg in Portland
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Post#1593 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:27 pm

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Are We Ther Yet wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:


He's starting to do more on ball stuff, the Blazers are 8-4 with him starting and virtually no drop off with him starting in place of CJ despite the fact he's also been playing with Kanter at center. As a starter he's also making the 3rd most threes per game, only Steph and CJ make more than him.

Forget LaVine and Beal, this is the type of player we should be going after in free agency. He's 6'6", 22 years old and has averaged 20ppg on 45% from three since going into the starting 5.


What would it take to get him here?


I said it would take 20 million and was roundly criticized.

Joe Harris, let's call similar, but with a "more established" body of work got 14.5 million.

If Knicks have to overpay a little (uh oh! hopefully not THJr time!), 17 million?

Not sure if I would overpay. His defense isn’t good and he’s not that great of a shot creator
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Post#1594 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:27 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:


He's starting to do more on ball stuff, the Blazers are 8-4 with him starting and virtually no drop off with him starting in place of CJ despite the fact he's also been playing with Kanter at center. As a starter he's also making the 3rd most threes per game, only Steph and CJ make more than him.

Forget LaVine and Beal, this is the type of player we should be going after in free agency. He's 6'6", 22 years old and has averaged 20ppg on 45% from three since going into the starting 5.


What would it take to get him here?


It's going to take starter money to get him, he has an elite skill which is shooting, he's been one of the best shooters in the league since McCollum went out. I think he's attainable too, the Blazers are close to the luxury, and there's no way they can justify paying him the same kind of money we can give him when he'll be backing up CJ for the next few years.

I'd guess 4 years $80-85 million to get him, he's better than Malik Beasley.
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Post#1595 » by aq_ua » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:29 pm

KnixtapeH20 wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
KnixtapeH20 wrote:Lol don't like VanVleets game or his name. Still pass. Hes easily an upgrade to anything we have yes hut that's not saying much we know we have a hole at pg until IQ is ready. If thats the direction they even go. With Rose teaching him I think they should.

If Quick develops a crossover forget it.... Its a wrap




FVV is exactly the type of PG we need, which is a high volume three point shooter who defends and has proven he can play with multiple ball handlers on or off the ball. There's nothing that would stop him from playing with Quickley either, he guards 2s most nights which is incredible given his size.

I guess I just prefer taller pg's and once I heard his quote about just wanting to get paid, I wanted no part of him. No points for honesty there lol

Not something that has to be said to the public.

I enjoy the JJ Reddick podcast a lot, because the conversations seem so genuine and just banter among ball players. The flip side is that it seems like some guys forget it’s a very public forum and say things they wouldn’t normally say to a wide audience.
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Post#1596 » by aq_ua » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:32 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
What would it take to get him here?


I said it would take 20 million and was roundly criticized.

Joe Harris, let's call similar, but with a "more established" body of work got 14.5 million.

If Knicks have to overpay a little (uh oh! hopefully not THJr time!), 17 million?

Not sure if I would overpay. His defense isn’t good and he’s not that great of a shot creator

I think his defense is among the best shooting guards out there. He’s easily getting over 20 per season.
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Post#1597 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:36 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
What would it take to get him here?


I said it would take 20 million and was roundly criticized.

Joe Harris, let's call similar, but with a "more established" body of work got 14.5 million.

If Knicks have to overpay a little (uh oh! hopefully not THJr time!), 17 million?

Not sure if I would overpay. His defense isn’t good and he’s not that great of a shot creator



He's scoring 20ppg on a miniscule 19.9 usage rate as a starter, that fits with pretty much any team. This is a Duncan Robinson level shooter with more room to grow as a scorer and defender. Nobody on the Blazers plays defense, he tries but Stotts isn't even attempting to coach on that side of the ball.
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Post#1598 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:46 pm

aq_ua wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
I said it would take 20 million and was roundly criticized.

Joe Harris, let's call similar, but with a "more established" body of work got 14.5 million.

If Knicks have to overpay a little (uh oh! hopefully not THJr time!), 17 million?

Not sure if I would overpay. His defense isn’t good and he’s not that great of a shot creator

I think his defense is among the best shooting guards out there. He’s easily getting over 20 per season.

He’s actually pretty awful. He got exposed against the Lakers in the post season.

This season he also has been pretty bad on defense. Look at this chart.
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Not sold on his bad defense yet?
He has a DBPM of -2.3 which is really bad, overall negative BPM and opponents shoot 1.3% better when defended by him.

I’m not sure if this guy will be like a Timmy signing cause of his bad defense, can’t really make plays for others, streaky shooting, and limited shot creation. He’s either going to be a great signing like Malik Beasley or a bad one like Timmy. So it’s a tough one. Well for me at least.
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Post#1599 » by sol537 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:47 pm

4 years @ $18-20m per is something you'd have to consider for Trent Jr.

You plug him into the core of Randle, Mitch, RJ, IQ, Rose, Noel and you may have a top 3-4 team in the East next season. And that's not counting what we potentially get from our 2 1st rounders and our 2nd rounder this off-season. Exciting times.
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Post#1600 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:52 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
I said it would take 20 million and was roundly criticized.

Joe Harris, let's call similar, but with a "more established" body of work got 14.5 million.

If Knicks have to overpay a little (uh oh! hopefully not THJr time!), 17 million?

Not sure if I would overpay. His defense isn’t good and he’s not that great of a shot creator



He's scoring 20ppg on a miniscule 19.9 usage rate as a starter, that fits with pretty much any team. This is a Duncan Robinson level shooter with more room to grow as a scorer and defender. Nobody on the Blazers plays defense, he tries but Stotts isn't even attempting to coach on that side of the ball.

Did you just use usage rate for the first time after destroying that stat all year long?
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I agree that nobody really plays defense on the Blazers... but it’s not like any of those players had a reputation of being good defenders prior to being on the Blazers too. Maybe only Covington, but he’s still good on defense.

He does have a lot of room to grow on both ends for sure. But I’m still skeptical.
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