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[NoDopeOnSundays]

sure, he'll help with his shooting but can he be more than 3&d for 20 mill a year is the question.

I'd think Trent would be better under Thibs, right? He tries on that side of the ball, still young, I think he can improve. We all assume LaVine would be a better defender with Thibs, no reason to think Trent wouldn't be either, since he actually gives effort already.

i don't. i don't think there's any helping him. thibs couldn't get kat to play defense either. some guys you can't help.

I think LaVine would be better with him, it's easier to hide a bad wing defender too, the Heat do it all the time with Robinson and Herro. I don't think there's any helping KAT cause he shouldn't be your last line of defense, he only looked good on defense at Kentucky cause WCS was guarding the rim but in the NBA you just can't hide a center. The KAT at center experiment should have ended last year, but they doubled down on it and now putting small forwards at the 4 next to him

[3toheadmelo]

sure, he'll help with his shooting but can he be more than 3&d for 20 mill a year is the question.

I'd think Trent would be better under Thibs, right? He tries on that side of the ball, still young, I think he can improve. We all assume LaVine would be a better defender with Thibs, no reason to think Trent wouldn't be either, since he actually gives effort already.

i don't. i don't think there's any helping him. thibs couldn't get kat to play defense either. some guys you can't help.

Why do you say that? Lavine only played under Thibs for one year. Not really fair to judge him there.

This season Lavine is actually trying on defense. Bulls fans will say the same. I think he just needs Thibs to get to that next level.

Remember you also counted out Randle and thought he would make zero improvements under Thibs

[3toheadmelo]

If they're trading him this year, we'd get an extra year of LaVine before free agency, so they can and would ask for a lot.

I'd expect Obi, IQ, (Frank as filler) both 2021 picks and 2023 pick to be their demand at the very least. Trading for sta

If they ask for IQ I’ll pass then

We really don't have any assets that we'd want to move to be honest. We probably have enough to get LaVine right now, but it would probably cost us at least 2 of our core 4 younger players (Obi, IQ, Rj and Mitch) and picks ontop. Trading for him now with a year left on his deal is how they can ask for a lot.

If that’s the cost for Lavine then I’ll pass. No disagreement from me here

[3toheadmelo]

I think Trent will improve on defense under Thibs as well. My concern with him is really shot creation. His handle is still limited imo. Like even his highlights from yesterday he wasn’t creating much. So I’m not sold on his scoring upside. But he’s still scoring a decent amount of points without even creating anything so that’s actually good for him. Idk, I’m torn lol

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I think Trent will improve on defense under Thibs as well. My concern with him is really shot creation. His handle is still limited imo. Like even his highlights from yesterday he wasn’t creating much. So I’m not sold on his scoring upside. But he’s still scoring a decent amount of points without even creating anything so that’s actually good for him. Idk, I’m torn lol

I look at him more like a poor man's Klay in terms of how he scores, his shot is just so good that even though his handle isn't very good he can still score because you have to play up on him at all times.

Also, this was his game without Lillard.

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He played well last year as a starter too (47% from three in starts), there's a real scoring/shooter there.

[Reign23]

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He's starting to do more on ball stuff, the Blazers are 8-4 with him starting and virtually no drop off with him starting in place of CJ despite the fact he's also been playing with Kanter at center. As a starter he's also making the 3rd most threes per game, only Steph and CJ make more than him.

Forget LaVine and Beal, this is the type of player we should be going after in free agency. He's 6'6", 22 years old and has averaged 20ppg on 45% from three since going into the starting 5.

I'm continuing to ride this wave all season long. we should sign him and he is a break out star.

[Montmorencie]

I like Trent but he cannot make a shot for himself. And this is what we need the most. We've got dogs, we've got defenders, the hell we even really have 3points specialist in Bullock. We are in desperate for a player that can make something out of iso plays and to finish off the games with authority. Beal, Oladipo, Lavine - they are all specialists in that. Trent would have been ideal if we didn't have Quick and Bullock. Right now he will not be a significant improvement to the team.

[3toheadmelo]

I think Trent will improve on defense under Thibs as well. My concern with him is really shot creation. His handle is still limited imo. Like even his highlights from yesterday he wasn’t creating much. So I’m not sold on his scoring upside. But he’s still scoring a decent amount of points without even creating anything so that’s actually good for him. Idk, I’m torn lol

I look at him more like a poor man's Klay in terms of how he scores, his shot is just so good that even though his handle isn't very good he can still score because you have to play up on him at all times.

Also, this was his game without Lillard.

Watch on YouTube

He played well last year as a starter too (47% from three in starts), there's a real scoring/shooter there.

You do have a good point with the poor man’s Klay in terms of scoring. Klay scores a lot without much dribbles, kinda similar to Trent.

What was Trent’s numbers as a starter last year?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I think Trent will improve on defense under Thibs as well. My concern with him is really shot creation. His handle is still limited imo. Like even his highlights from yesterday he wasn’t creating much. So I’m not sold on his scoring upside. But he’s still scoring a decent amount of points without even creating anything so that’s actually good for him. Idk, I’m torn lol

I look at him more like a poor man's Klay in terms of how he scores, his shot is just so good that even though his handle isn't very good he can still score because you have to play up on him at all times.

Also, this was his game without Lillard.

Watch on YouTube

He played well last year as a starter too (47% from three in starts), there's a real scoring/shooter there.

You do have a good point with the poor man’s Klay in terms of scoring. Klay scores a lot without much dribbles, kinda similar to Trent.

What was Trent’s numbers as a starter last year?

13/2/1/1 in 30mpg, 46% from the field, 47% from three.

This year he's at 20/3/2/1, 45% from the field, 46% from three on almost 2x the attempts per game, 3rd in the league behind Curry and McCollum for 3's made per game since he started (4.1 per)

[HerSports85]

I’ll only worry about Trent Jr. Shot creation if we decide to bring Payton back. But get someone like Lowry and put Trent Jr. at the shooting guard position and we are good. We already see that a lot of our plays run through Randle, we just need a competent pg

[3toheadmelo]

I look at him more like a poor man's Klay in terms of how he scores, his shot is just so good that even though his handle isn't very good he can still score because you have to play up on him at all times.

Also, this was his game without Lillard.

Watch on YouTube

He played well last year as a starter too (47% from three in starts), there's a real scoring/shooter there.

You do have a good point with the poor man’s Klay in terms of scoring. Klay scores a lot without much dribbles, kinda similar to Trent.

What was Trent’s numbers as a starter last year?

13/2/1/1 in 30mpg, 46% from the field, 47% from three.

This year he's at 20/3/2/1, 45% from the field, 46% from three on almost 2x the attempts per game, 3rd in the league behind Curry and McCollum for 3's made per game since he started (4.1 per)

Well damn. That’s a pretty massive jump in PPG. You’re slowly getting me onto the “sign Trent” bandwagon. Lol.

Last question (sorry too lazy to look this up). How much games has he started this year compared to last year?

[3toheadmelo]

I’ll only worry about Trent Jr. Shot creation if we decide to bring Payton back. But get someone like Lowry and put Trent Jr. at the shooting guard position and we are good. We already see that a lot of our plays run through Randle, we just need a competent pg

How we getting Lowry though? And he’s kinda old. I’d probably look to get a younger competent PG

[3toheadmelo]

He’s gonna be so good once he puts it all together

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

You do have a good point with the poor man’s Klay in terms of scoring. Klay scores a lot without much dribbles, kinda similar to Trent.

What was Trent’s numbers as a starter last year?

13/2/1/1 in 30mpg, 46% from the field, 47% from three.

This year he's at 20/3/2/1, 45% from the field, 46% from three on almost 2x the attempts per game, 3rd in the league behind Curry and McCollum for 3's made per game since he started (4.1 per)

Well damn. That’s a pretty massive jump in PPG. You’re slowly getting me onto the “sign Trent” bandwagon. Lol.

Last question (sorry too lazy to look this up). How much games has he started this year compared to last year?

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He started 8 games last year, and he's started 12 this year so far, they're 8-4 with him starting this year (8-5 with CJ). I think his development has been impressive considering how much CJ plays, but they still figured out how to get him 22mpg last year, and he's up to 30mpg this year.

They can't hide him anymore, he turned down the extension which had a max of $53 million but he's clearly worth more than that IMO. The only reason why he's not on everyone's FA list is cause CJ starts over him and it's been difficult to get an idea of what he can do, but his shooting has stayed consistent.

[3toheadmelo]

13/2/1/1 in 30mpg, 46% from the field, 47% from three.

This year he's at 20/3/2/1, 45% from the field, 46% from three on almost 2x the attempts per game, 3rd in the league behind Curry and McCollum for 3's made per game since he started (4.1 per)

Well damn. That’s a pretty massive jump in PPG. You’re slowly getting me onto the “sign Trent” bandwagon. Lol.

Last question (sorry too lazy to look this up). How much games has he started this year compared to last year?

One of us!


He started 8 games last year, and he's started 12 this year so far, they're 8-4 with him starting this year (8-5 with CJ). I think his development has been impressive considering how much CJ plays, but they still figured out how to get him 22mpg last year, and he's up to 30mpg this year.

They can't hide him anymore, he turned down the extension which had a max of $53 million but he's clearly worth more than that IMO. The only reason why he's not on everyone's FA list is cause CJ starts over him and it's been difficult to get an idea of what he can do, but his shooting has stayed consistent.

Now that I think about it, imagine him taking all of those open looks by Bullock created by Randle

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Well damn. That’s a pretty massive jump in PPG. You’re slowly getting me onto the “sign Trent” bandwagon. Lol.

Last question (sorry too lazy to look this up). How much games has he started this year compared to last year?

One of us!


He started 8 games last year, and he's started 12 this year so far, they're 8-4 with him starting this year (8-5 with CJ). I think his development has been impressive considering how much CJ plays, but they still figured out how to get him 22mpg last year, and he's up to 30mpg this year.

They can't hide him anymore, he turned down the extension which had a max of $53 million but he's clearly worth more than that IMO. The only reason why he's not on everyone's FA list is cause CJ starts over him and it's been difficult to get an idea of what he can do, but his shooting has stayed consistent.

Now that I think about it, imagine him taking all of those open looks by Bullock created by Randle

Payton and Bullock take 19.6 shots per game, and Payton passes up maybe 5 open threes a game. Just give 13-15 of those 20 shots to Trent.

[3toheadmelo]

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He started 8 games last year, and he's started 12 this year so far, they're 8-4 with him starting this year (8-5 with CJ). I think his development has been impressive considering how much CJ plays, but they still figured out how to get him 22mpg last year, and he's up to 30mpg this year.

They can't hide him anymore, he turned down the extension which had a max of $53 million but he's clearly worth more than that IMO. The only reason why he's not on everyone's FA list is cause CJ starts over him and it's been difficult to get an idea of what he can do, but his shooting has stayed consistent.

Now that I think about it, imagine him taking all of those open looks by Bullock created by Randle

Payton and Bullock take 19.6 shots per game, and Payton passes up maybe 5 open threes a game. Just give 13-15 of those 20 shots to Trent.

We need to get rid of both of them man. Did you see how we took off against the Hawks with Rose-IQ next to Barrett and Randle in the 4th quarter? Our team would be so nice with a competent starting back court. Trent would be a nice start for sure

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Now that I think about it, imagine him taking all of those open looks by Bullock created by Randle

Payton and Bullock take 19.6 shots per game, and Payton passes up maybe 5 open threes a game. Just give 13-15 of those 20 shots to Trent.

We need to get rid of both of them man. Did you see how we took off against the Hawks with Rose-IQ next to Barrett and Randle in the 4th quarter? Our team would be so nice with a competent starting back court. Trent would be a nice start for sure

As well as Rose has played, I still want to see the ball in IQ's hands more as a playmaker. We missed our chance at upgrading the PG spot with FVV, I hope we don't make the same mistake this summer and pass on Trent, but I have a feeling we're gonna get Oladipo which is the worst case scenario.

[3toheadmelo]

Payton and Bullock take 19.6 shots per game, and Payton passes up maybe 5 open threes a game. Just give 13-15 of those 20 shots to Trent.

We need to get rid of both of them man. Did you see how we took off against the Hawks with Rose-IQ next to Barrett and Randle in the 4th quarter? Our team would be so nice with a competent starting back court. Trent would be a nice start for sure

As well as Rose has played, I still want to see the ball in IQ's hands more as a playmaker. We missed our chance at upgrading the PG spot with FVV, I hope we don't make the same mistake this summer and pass on Trent, but I have a feeling we're gonna get Oladipo which is the worst case scenario.

I think IQ is starting to get the ball in his hands more. Even Randle trusted him down the stretch. I’m not too worried.

And yeah Oladipo is my worst case scenario too. He’s really washed and still injury prone. Only upside to signing him is he can play defense but offensively he’s not that guy anymore. And he can’t shoot well, so he’s not the ideal fit next to RJ and Randle either. His shooting splits under Houston is awful. So far the Knicks FO hasn’t shown signs of doing something dumb like that though... so I’m still optimistic that we’re not getting him. For now. Lol

[NoDopeOnSundays]

We need to get rid of both of them man. Did you see how we took off against the Hawks with Rose-IQ next to Barrett and Randle in the 4th quarter? Our team would be so nice with a competent starting back court. Trent would be a nice start for sure

As well as Rose has played, I still want to see the ball in IQ's hands more as a playmaker. We missed our chance at upgrading the PG spot with FVV, I hope we don't make the same mistake this summer and pass on Trent, but I have a feeling we're gonna get Oladipo which is the worst case scenario.

I think IQ is starting to get the ball in his hands more. Even Randle trusted him down the stretch. I’m not too worried.

And yeah Oladipo is my worst case scenario too. He’s really washed and still injury prone. Only upside to signing him is he can play defense but offensively he’s not that guy anymore. And he can’t shoot well, so he’s not the ideal fit next to RJ and Randle either. His shooting splits under Houston is awful. So far the Knicks FO hasn’t shown signs of doing something dumb like that though... so I’m still optimistic that we’re not getting him. For now. Lol

I want to see Quickley have to run the offense more, he needs the reps, he's being used more as an attacker now with Rose than before.

The FO resigned Payton, they have shown they don't necessarily care about shooting and it's not like Rose is a great shooter either. I think Oladipo will be the guy we go after, because he's attainable and has the name. The only reason why I'm hoping they don't is because we have Rose and they'll resign him, which takes the need of another slasher out of the equation. That's my hope at least, that would be an awful offseason if we end up with Victor.