Knicksfan1992 wrote:mpharris36 wrote:Knicksfan1992 wrote:I think shoehorning Randle as a number 3 is a mistake. Most number 3's don't have the playmaking chops Randle has shown this year. Would it be great if Randle was our number 3 option? Absolutely! But I don't think it's impossible that he can be a fine number 2 to a number 1 scorer given that he seems to be able to lift your offense enough as an engine by himself. You, admittedly, would need a strong number 3 option and good role players to pull it off but i'm willing to gamble that the Knicks can find those late in the draft as they have a pretty good recent track record of doing so...
It's why i'm higher on trading for Beal than most here I think.
I ok with the team throwing out feelers for Beal...but we need to keep our core for it to make sense with a Beal/Randle 1/2.
That means no RJ/IQ/Mitch in a trade. Anyone else including draft capital can go in a trade. I doubt washington would agree to that but I'm not gutting the rosters core for Beal. If you can get him for an Obi + Knox + Frank + 3/4 1st rounders...then that would be something to consider.
To clarify, I agree, it 100% depends on the price. It's weird because, ideally, for this version of the Knicks, I think you wait until the offseason to make a Beal or Lavine trade but they lose a lot of value on their some of their "filler" assets this offseason as well.
The Dallas unprotected pick is gone, Frank is no longer under contract, Knox only has 1 year left on his rookie deal which severely diminishes any value he had left. And not that he should be considered "lower level" but Mitch is going to get some sort of pay raise. So it almost feels like for the Knicks to get a fair cost on a Beal deal you have to do it at the deadline.
I think there's a world where I give up Mitch for Beal, but you would have to have a REAL contingency plan for him and it better lower the pick capital i'm sending out as well. Instead of 4 you maybe get 2-3. But out of those 3, I think Mitch's skillset is the most replaceable (even if it's at 90% of what he can do) for a team that features Randle/Beal/RJ. And also Mitch's contract situation right now is currently the worst out of those 3.
But if you Washington a trading Beal your pretty much signaling a rebuild and why would they want to pay a rim running/defensive center when they are rebuilding in Mitch? That doesn't make sense.
Which is why I believe Mitch is much more valuable to us or a potential contender then a "rebuilding" team. Especially when his pay day is soon approaching so I don't think he would be a needle mover in Washington. I would think Obi would be a valuable piece for Washington because because Deni/Obi is a decent duo going forward...then they probably just want all the draft capital they can get...and at what point is too much too much?
Then the question is what other teams are interested in Beal? Miami? They would certainty lead a package with Herro. So that trumps Obi as a young player return...but Miami doesn't have as much access to draft capital as well do. So it would depend on what Washington would want a sure thing in Herro or the multiple more 1sts?
Knox and Frank could be somewhat interesting to Washington because they would be lottery tickets...they wouldn't be needle movers but they are young and maybe you get something out of them. But that would be like Miami sending them a kz okpala type.
The deciding factor is if Beals pulls a harden and requests a trade...if he does then Washington losses a bit of leverage in terms of not having to trade him and then who knows at that point.
But I am not going to make a Carmelo type trade for Beal (meaning a all our young guys and draft picks for Beal right now). If Beal comes for the package I stated above then I woudl consider because we would still have depth with Beal and Randle being our go to guys and RJ/IQ/Mitch and even a vet like Rose to be build our a decent rotation.
