The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV

[DCasey91]

I mean, this is hardly surprising for anyone who has been paying attention to his situation. Brett has been holding back our players, Embiid and Harris are playing significantly better compared to last season, Simmons not following them until now is just because he is weak mentally, he needs more time to recover from Brett, but it seems he is starting to heal, the difference between first games and last games is astronomical.

Simmons is younger (24) and cops a ton of heat for his flaws on shooting/scoring and he handles himself mightily. How is a 16/8/8 DPOY wing as your base to go off, other fans would be jumping for joy.
I get that he has top ten player potential and in some way should have been there by now. But we’re very blessed to have both (some teams don’t have one).

22/10/8/2 was his last 15 game stretch before injury.
Started this year not 100% healthy. He had his oh sh**t moment so it’ll be very intriguing going forward. The structure atm isn’t ideal for them
both (because the two very specific players (pg/sg)
Would amplify them (not in jumps in production but their games would help offset. Like Booker for example. Soon as Chris Paul comes into a team well what do you know everything becomes better lol.)

[DCasey91]

Embiid and Ben need a traditional backcourt more than anything that’ll solve the problem.

Because funnily enough they are old school but modernized front court players.


Embiid is Shaq mixed with Hakeem
Ben is a Suped up Odom/Green

Ball + McCollum
Dragic + Oladipo
Lowry + Lavine
Van Fleet + Gordon
Hill + Holiday

And any decent 3&D that plays 3&D and were money.

Naming names but a fully functioning and complimentary backcourt pairings would do more for Ben & Embiid than just shooters and shooters alone. These players above are not just better NBA players they are far more dynamic not just as players but for the team’s sake as well (players 3-12 aren’t good enough). We don’t Harris at the 4. Ben is a 4. Plus our margin for error is a lot bigger because the potential ceiling of Ben that’s waiting to come (Embiid is there, here’s hoping Ben gets there either way we’ve always had an absurd base to go off, they’ve always had high net ratings even without traditional functional players that pair with them ideally).

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Embiid and Ben need a traditional backcourt more than anything that’ll solve the problem.

Because funnily enough they are old school but modernized front court players.


Embiid is Shaq mixed with Hakeem
Ben is a Suped up Odom/Green

Ball + McCollum
Dragic + Oladipo
Lowry + Lavine
Van Fleet + Gordon
Hill + Holiday

And any decent 3&D that plays 3&D and were money.

Naming names but a fully functioning and complimentary backcourt pairings would do more for Ben & Embiid than just shooters and shooters alone. These players above are not just better NBA players they are far more dynamic not just as players but for the team’s sake as well (players 3-12 aren’t good enough). We don’t Harris at the 4. Ben is a 4. Plus our margin for error is a lot bigger because the potential ceiling of Ben that’s waiting to come (Embiid is there, here’s hoping Ben gets there either way we’ve always had an absurd base to go off, they’ve always had high net ratings even without traditional functional players that pair with them ideally).

Simmons is a PG and always will be, that is where he has the greatest advantage on both ends from his size.

This is especially apparent on defense. https://www.libertyballers.com/2020/1/26/21082311/ben-simmons-as-defensive-unicorn

[DCasey91]

Embiid and Ben need a traditional backcourt more than anything that’ll solve the problem.

Because funnily enough they are old school but modernized front court players.


Embiid is Shaq mixed with Hakeem
Ben is a Suped up Odom/Green

Ball + McCollum
Dragic + Oladipo
Lowry + Lavine
Van Fleet + Gordon
Hill + Holiday

And any decent 3&D that plays 3&D and were money.

Naming names but a fully functioning and complimentary backcourt pairings would do more for Ben & Embiid than just shooters and shooters alone. These players above are not just better NBA players they are far more dynamic not just as players but for the team’s sake as well (players 3-12 aren’t good enough). We don’t Harris at the 4. Ben is a 4. Plus our margin for error is a lot bigger because the potential ceiling of Ben that’s waiting to come (Embiid is there, here’s hoping Ben gets there either way we’ve always had an absurd base to go off, they’ve always had high net ratings even without traditional functional players that pair with them ideally).

Simmons is a PG and always will be, that is where he has the greatest advantage on both ends from his size.

This is especially apparent on defense. https://www.libertyballers.com/2020/1/26/21082311/ben-simmons-as-defensive-unicorn

It’s moronic arguing with a naive person. So I’m a moron. But it’s moronic to think Ben is a PG. keep living in fantasy land I guess.

[spikeslovechild]

What Ben stans don't get is it isn't how many points he scores whether it be 10 or 45 its his game.

We need him to not cause problems with spacing for Embiid it's sort of the same issue to a lesser extent we had with Jimmy who was a great player but the fit wasn't there because he wasn't willing to play off the ball. If him going off convinces a team that he just needs to get away from Embiid to be successful great give us a player like Beal and we will be off running.

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Simmons leads the league with 93 assists on three-pointers, seven ahead of the next-closest player (Dallas Mavericks guard Luka Doncic). He also ranks seventh leaguewide in total points generated from his assists (427).

Smells like a pg..

[Jailblazers7]

I think Ben is playing more like a straight up forward this year in the half court which has been really important for his development and the functioning of the team. He's screening for Tobi & Seth a lot more which keeps him active and makes him dangerous as a passer/finishing on the roll. I think there's still some value to him bring the ball up because it actually has some gravity on the defense because they're forced to build a wall against his penetration but they've done a nice job a quickly getting into actions with him as a screener out of that.

I'm really happy with his development so far this year and how he's being used in the offense currently. It would be awesome if we could get an improvement over Mike Scott for small ball lineups that would allow Ben to operate in space & help make non-Embiid minutes less of a disaster. I'd obviously love to get Lavine but that's something I'm not counting on (although I wouldn't be surprised given Daryl's ability to pull of crazy trades).

[elchengue20]

Simmons leads the league with 93 assists on three-pointers, seven ahead of the next-closest player (Dallas Mavericks guard Luka Doncic). He also ranks seventh leaguewide in total points generated from his assists (427).

Smells like a pg..

PG's can shoot the damn ball at least at a respectable clip, where you know, the defense actually have to guard them.

Ben is a point forward. A point PF to be more specific. Great player, but he's not a PG.

Imagine how better we would be on offense if we add a guard who can create plays and/or score, plus Ben playmaking abilities.

[stormi]

Ball + McCollum

This one with Ben & Jo is a dream man

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Simmons leads the league with 93 assists on three-pointers, seven ahead of the next-closest player (Dallas Mavericks guard Luka Doncic). He also ranks seventh leaguewide in total points generated from his assists (427).

Smells like a pg..

PG's can shoot the damn ball at least at a respectable clip, where you know, the defense actually have to guard them.

Ben is a point forward. A point PF to be more specific. Great player, but he's not a PG.

Imagine how better we would be on offense if we add a guard who can create plays and/or score, plus Ben playmaking abilities.

Well he plays the point guard position on the court therefore he is a point guard.

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The problem with the Sixers is the lack of bench, shooters not shooting well and Embiid missing games. Ben is a long way down the list.

[stormi]

arguing over positional definition in 2021...

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arguing over positional definition in 2021...

I think it's fair, he is the one who will push the ball to create early. But you're right, the best playmakers in the league arent PGs.

[phillynative]

arguing over positional definition in 2021...

I think it's fair, he is the one who will push the ball to create early. But you're right, the best playmakers in the league arent PGs.

He is a point forward.

[Wilfried]

arguing over positional definition in 2021...

I think it's fair, he is the one who will push the ball to create early. But you're right, the best playmakers in the league arent PGs.

He is a point forward.

He's also in top 20 BPM and VORP now

[DCasey91]

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Ball + McCollum

This one with Ben & Jo is a dream man

I know but the function as a 4 pronged system would be super duper fun. It’s there for a blueprint

Also the East is wide open this year (Celtics and the Heat have been crap)

The West is head and shoulders above but we don’t face them until the finals.

My guess is about 6 teams (Bucks,Pacers,Celtics,Heat, Nets and us) can spike a finals appearance ala like Heat last year just depending on the health and form of the team.

It’s a very good time strike. And key starter backcourt piece and not some limited player would always work wonders for us.

[SparksFly87]

I'd do a Beal for Simmons swap right now. 80 pts a night from your three best players is too good to pass on.

[kio80]

I'd do a Beal for Simmons swap right now. 80 pts a night from your three best players is too good to pass on.

Ok let’s process the papers and Initiate the trade. You have Tom Sheppard’s number right? Errm Mr SparksFly87


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[phillynative]

I think it's fair, he is the one who will push the ball to create early. But you're right, the best playmakers in the league arent PGs.

He is a point forward.

He's also in top 20 BPM and VORP now

Thats great as all around playmaking point forward.

[Eyeamok]

Last night was the first night in forever I was looking forward to seeing Ben play. More than Embiid more than Shake. I wanted to see how he would perform after scoring 42 the previous game. Oh well.