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[JimmyTheKid]

Bad time to mention that Bledsoe is hitting 40% of his 3's, George Hill was above his career average PER before getting hurt, and Pritchard and Quickley, both drafted right after the #24 pick the Bucks gave up in the deal, are both already significantly better than DJA? Something tells me it's a bad time...

The Bucks gave up depth for a tighter playoff rotation in the one season where depth is literally more important than it's ever been, arguably by far, because of the condensed schedule. Not that the regular season matters that much, but this damn well better pay off in the playoffs.

I called the Jrue trade possibly the worst move I've seen one of my teams make, right up there with drafting Mandarich. I think I was being kind. Jrue is good but #24 and a future first should have been enough.

My god. Yeah "running it back" after the fashion in which the team bowed out the last two postseasons would have been universally accepted by the fan base. Also Giannis. Even though he not so subtly demanded to see improvement in the roster before signing the most important contract in franchise history. Or maybe not.

And depth is great. Except in the postseason when you're supposed to tighten rotations and play your best players the most minutes. Which I thought 99% of Bucks fans agreed upon after last season.

I also thought it was common knowledge that the Sixers and Celtics were aggressively after Jrue too. So no, #24 and a future first wasn't close to enough.

What a time for Jrue Holiday to get sick. Bucks 16-8, cruising, defense finally looks good, offense looks unstoppable. Then BAM, right before the Suns game so we can do that "woulda coulda shoulda Chris Paul" thing and then 4 losses later, revisiting and rewriting the offseason where we weren't even sure our unicorn, Giannis, would sign an extension, much less the supermax. Ah, good times.

[GreenNCream]

Pelle could help at the center position. He reminds me of Ervin Johnson, for a team that is getting attacked at the rim.

[ShootingtheJ]

Bad time to mention that Bledsoe is hitting 40% of his 3's, George Hill was above his career average PER before getting hurt, and Pritchard and Quickley, both drafted right after the #24 pick the Bucks gave up in the deal, are both already significantly better than DJA? Something tells me it's a bad time...

The Bucks gave up depth for a tighter playoff rotation in the one season where depth is literally more important than it's ever been, arguably by far, because of the condensed schedule. Not that the regular season matters that much, but this damn well better pay off in the playoffs.

I called the Jrue trade possibly the worst move I've seen one of my teams make, right up there with drafting Mandarich. I think I was being kind. Jrue is good but #24 and a future first should have been enough.

My god. Yeah "running it back" after the fashion in which the team bowed out the last two postseasons would have been universally accepted by the fan base. Also Giannis. Even though he not so subtly demanded to see improvement in the roster before signing the most important contract in franchise history. Or maybe not.

And depth is great. Except in the postseason when you're supposed to tighten rotations and play your best players the most minutes. Which I thought 99% of Bucks fans agreed upon after last season.

I also thought it was common knowledge that the Sixers and Celtics were aggressively after Jrue too. So no, #24 and a future first wasn't close to enough.

What a time for Jrue Holiday to get sick. Bucks 16-8, cruising, defense finally looks good, offense looks unstoppable. Then BAM, right before the Suns game so we can do that "woulda coulda shoulda Chris Paul" thing and then 4 losses later, revisiting and rewriting the offseason where we weren't even sure our unicorn, Giannis, would sign an extension, much less the supermax. Ah, good times.

This is all true. Also, Bledsoe has been terrible, and the Pelicans are looking to dump him. He's been a replacement level player this year.

Jrue has been outstanding. DJA was a terrible decision, hopefully they can rectify that.

[WRau1]

BOS offered 3 firsts for Jrue. DEN and PHI both offered 2 1sts and "better" filler. No way Bucks were getting Jrue for anything less than what they paid.

[raferfenix]

If Horst would have known in advance that the Bogdan deal would blow up, maybe he would have pushed harder to include Ersan + DJ in the Pelicans package as opposed to George Hill.

However even if depth bites us in the playoffs this year it is a much easier problem to solve than picking up star-level talent.

Bledsoe was a solid starter or a good 6th man but definitely no Jrue Holiday.

[WRau1]

If TOR dumps Lowry, wonder if they have any interest in DJA for Baynes swap.

[raferfenix]

Curious whether BroLo can step it up come playoff time or if his game has just declined substantially compared to his contract year.

The regular season in the covid-era of the NBA matters even less than it usually does.

But if he's just worse than he was that would also help explain the team's drop off the last year and a half.

It's certainly not the only thing going on, but father time gets all of us eventually, and if we were to move on from Lopez (or move him to the bench) that could lead to bigger changes to our offensive and defensive flow.

[ShootingtheJ]

If TOR dumps Lowry, wonder if they have any interest in DJA for Baynes swap.

I'd think they'd just cut Baynes. If they deal Lowry, they'll get multiple players in return to make the money work, and will need roster spots. Baynes is the obvious cut because he's expiring and has played terribly.

[WRau1]

If TOR dumps Lowry, wonder if they have any interest in DJA for Baynes swap.

I'd think they'd just cut Baynes. If they deal Lowry, they'll get multiple players in return to make the money work, and will need roster spots. Baynes is the obvious cut because he's expiring and has played terribly.

TOR has been linked to DJA in the past and TOR reddit seems to think that Lowry is going out in the potential Drummond deal. Wishful thinking on my part, most likely.

[DingleJerry]

I'd grab Baynes as a cheap poor man's replacement for Brook if possible. Frees Brook up to be traded now or in the offseason for a mid level wing type. I'm not a Brook hater but his contract is going to have to be involved in whatever trade gets made.

No way I see it's possible but getting Lowry somehow without giving up the big 3 would really help this team right now.

[yannisk]

What a time for Jrue Holiday to get sick. Bucks 16-8, cruising, defense finally looks good, offense looks unstoppable. Then BAM, right before the Suns game so we can do that "woulda coulda shoulda Chris Paul" thing and then 4 losses later, revisiting and rewriting the offseason where we weren't even sure our unicorn, Giannis, would sign an extension, much less the supermax. Ah, good times.

we were never cruising, we were beating some trash teams and losing to all good teams we played. Obviously when you don't have depth and you lost your second or third best player things look even worse

[slos]

Paul made sense for Phoenix because he is on a 2 year contract which ends by the time Bridges' and Ayton's extensions kick in. They needed him to speed up the growth of their Booker/Bridges/Ayton core and he will be gone by the time their Big 3 will be ready to take over.

Paul made sense for Milwaukee only if Giannis made it clear that he would play his last season for Milwaukee as a lateral move to get a championship before he's gone. Having him on board with Middleton under control too, Jrue was the piece that fit this core and Horst did the right thing choosing Holiday over Paul. He did overpay, but it was a sellers market and Jrue was the best player available. RoCo fetched #16 and a future 1st, it's insane to claim that you could have Holiday for #24 and only one future 1st with Bledsoe as the center piece.

Let's leave this behind. Bucks became a worst regular season team this offseason, but I trust this roster more for the playoffs. And there is much time to improve. Horst has a month till the deadline to help this team even more, Bud has more than half a season to figure it out. I'll give him the benefit of doubt that he doesn't give a **** for the RS and uses it to experiment for the playoffs. I mean this is what we were asking the last couple of seasons right?

[skones]

If TOR dumps Lowry, wonder if they have any interest in DJA for Baynes swap.

Their frontcourt is thin as is and they paid Fred Van Vleet 85 million. I don't think a small guard will be on their list of priorities, let alone one who's old and has one more season left (especially with Malachi Flynn doing things in the G-League bubble). I can't see them addressing how thin they are up front, and then turning around and making a deal that re-thins it.

[smauss]

I would love for us to be able to acquire a JaVale McGee type 5.

[coolhandluke121]

Bad time to mention that Bledsoe is hitting 40% of his 3's, George Hill was above his career average PER before getting hurt, and Pritchard and Quickley, both drafted right after the #24 pick the Bucks gave up in the deal, are both already significantly better than DJA? Something tells me it's a bad time...

The Bucks gave up depth for a tighter playoff rotation in the one season where depth is literally more important than it's ever been, arguably by far, because of the condensed schedule. Not that the regular season matters that much, but this damn well better pay off in the playoffs.

I called the Jrue trade possibly the worst move I've seen one of my teams make, right up there with drafting Mandarich. I think I was being kind. Jrue is good but #24 and a future first should have been enough.

Are you saying pick #24 and a future first for Jrue should have been enough to get him? If yes, that’s insane.

The Jrue trade is some Jabari > Lillard, won't-trade-Jennings-for-CP3 level Kool-Aid but I'm glad so many of you enjoy the taste. Jrue is a top 25-30 player with one year left on his deal and he might require a 5/$190m deal to stay more than that one year. And Giannis keeping those picks low for 7 (YES, SEVEN) more year years is positively delusional.

It's arguably one of the dumbest trades I've ever seen in the NBA. Anyone who doesn't see it that way probably isn't taking the contract situation and the long-term outlook of those picks into account.

[StickeeFingaz]

Bad time to mention that Bledsoe is hitting 40% of his 3's, George Hill was above his career average PER before getting hurt, and Pritchard and Quickley, both drafted right after the #24 pick the Bucks gave up in the deal, are both already significantly better than DJA? Something tells me it's a bad time...

The Bucks gave up depth for a tighter playoff rotation in the one season where depth is literally more important than it's ever been, arguably by far, because of the condensed schedule. Not that the regular season matters that much, but this damn well better pay off in the playoffs.

I called the Jrue trade possibly the worst move I've seen one of my teams make, right up there with drafting Mandarich. I think I was being kind. Jrue is good but #24 and a future first should have been enough.

Are you saying pick #24 and a future first for Jrue should have been enough to get him? If yes, that’s insane.

The Jrue trade is some Jabari > Lillard, won't-trade-Jennings-for-CP3 level Kool-Aid but I'm glad so many of you enjoy the taste. Jrue is a top 25-30 player with one year left on his deal and he might require a 5/$190m deal to stay more than that one year. And Giannis keeping those picks low for 7 (YES, SEVEN) more year years is positively delusional.

It's arguably one of the dumbest trades I've ever seen in the NBA. Anyone who doesn't see it that way probably isn't taking the contract situation and the long-term outlook of those picks into account.

I didn't say the actual trade package was fair value. I just commented on your statement that you believe pick #24 and a future pick, likely in the 25-30 range, should be enough to acquire Jrue, which I believe is entirely unrealistic.

[DingleJerry]

I don't think the deal will be that bad as long as he signs. just in that neither swap likely happens, one pick was 24, at least one of the others should be low too. The last one could hurt, but you have to give something. That said, I still think it was an overpay considering we didn't know on Giannis so that was a risk, also he's a 1 year contract, and he's not young so if he does sign it might not age well, so he's a big risk too. But mostly just because I don't think he's good enough and/or the right skills to get them over the hump. He's a good player, probably in the range mentioned above. But this team needed a lead ballhandler shooter (it's Murray, Mitchell, etc) and he's not that guy. of course it also needs Bud/Giannis to let that person be that guy.

Being they gave up all their last pieces of assets I don't think he was the move. Give up way less for Paul and swing the fences again in two years. Or sit and wait, maybe Beal could've happened. He'd be that guy they need to the lead guy on O. Something like that would've popped up. Still, he is good and is better than Bledsoe for the playoffs, we probably win the title in 2019 with him instead, but this year it likely isn't going to happen. I still have faith Ersan will fix everything when he comes in

[StickeeFingaz]

Lopez + Augustine for Khem Birch + Terrence Ross. Would still likely need to pick up a big body off the scrap heap, just to bang with other bigs.

Starting 5 of Jrue/Donte/Khris/Giannis/Portis.

Closing 5 of Jrue/Donte/Ross/Khris/Giannis.

Need to always have 1 of Jrue/Khris/Giannis on the floor for ball handling.

I don't know. Guess it doesn't make sense for Orlando since they have Vuc.

[RiotPunch]

Lopez + Augustine for Khem Birch + Terrence Ross. Would still likely need to pick up a big body off the scrap heap, just to bang with other bigs.

Starting 5 of Jrue/Donte/Khris/Giannis/Portis.

Closing 5 of Jrue/Donte/Ross/Khris/Giannis.

Need to always have 1 of Jrue/Khris/Giannis on the floor for ball handling.

I don't know. Guess it doesn't make sense for Orlando since they have Vuc.

Maybe get the Blazers involved, they might be interested in upgrading with Nurk out.

MKE: Ross, Birch
ORL: Augustin, Hood, Giles (or Little, up to PDX)
PDX: Lopez

Ross can handle it a bit too, he's been forced into it a lot this past week.

[giannis and 1]

Bad time to mention that Bledsoe is hitting 40% of his 3's, George Hill was above his career average PER before getting hurt, and Pritchard and Quickley, both drafted right after the #24 pick the Bucks gave up in the deal, are both already significantly better than DJA? Something tells me it's a bad time...

The Bucks gave up depth for a tighter playoff rotation in the one season where depth is literally more important than it's ever been, arguably by far, because of the condensed schedule. Not that the regular season matters that much, but this damn well better pay off in the playoffs.

I called the Jrue trade possibly the worst move I've seen one of my teams make, right up there with drafting Mandarich. I think I was being kind. Jrue is good but #24 and a future first should have been enough.

Are you saying pick #24 and a future first for Jrue should have been enough to get him? If yes, that’s insane.

The Jrue trade is some Jabari > Lillard, won't-trade-Jennings-for-CP3 level Kool-Aid but I'm glad so many of you enjoy the taste. Jrue is a top 25-30 player with one year left on his deal and he might require a 5/$190m deal to stay more than that one year. And Giannis keeping those picks low for 7 (YES, SEVEN) more year years is positively delusional.

It's arguably one of the dumbest trades I've ever seen in the NBA. Anyone who doesn't see it that way probably isn't taking the contract situation and the long-term outlook of those picks into account.

I didn't like it either but it's not one of the dumbest trades of all time, not even close. They overpaid by 2 firsts.
We will have to see what happens with his contract. If he leaves for nothing, we are **** and it's a terrible trade. If we have to give him that massive contract we are also kind of ****. But if we can extend him around 30m, it's not looking so bad.