Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

[xdrta+]

How TF did we get so bodied on the Wanamaker contract that we gave him a no trade clause??

That said, if he's only being used as salary ballast anyways, why would he care? Besides, not sure he's in any scenario where he can be picky about which NBA team he plays for

he signed a 1yr contract for peanuts...

But still, to get a NTC in the NBA is to have the largest amounts of pull. If a scrub started demanding things like that..

A no-trade clause doesn't apply, there's not a single one in the league, partly because you need 8 yrs in the league, 4 with the team. If he couldn't be traded without consent it would be by rule, which Kingcong explained above. As that pointed out, there are about 20 players who can veto trades but Wanamaker isn't one of them.

[ShayDee]

How is it bad? We give up the best player in the deal and a potential top pick for a top end role player and depth.

The best player in the deal is Grant by a considerable margin and he is on a way better contract than Wiggins. The minny pick is not going to help us next season, but if people are against it then instead we use another first maybe the 2026 first

[wco81]

Grant isn't helping his team win.

How much of his numbers are in games where Pistons are being beaten decisively?

[SAKURABA216]

Grant isn't helping his team win.

How much of his numbers are in games where Pistons are being beaten decisively?

Neither is Beal, but we would all happily trade for him.

[xdrta+]

Grant isn't helping his team win.

How much of his numbers are in games where Pistons are being beaten decisively?

Neither is Beal, but we would all happily trade for him.

Really? I've seen a few who don't think Beal would be a great fit here. Including me.

[wco81]

Grant isn't helping his team win.

How much of his numbers are in games where Pistons are being beaten decisively?

Neither is Beal, but we would all happily trade for him.

Grant isn't the scorer Beal is. But he has a better contract and could defend some key positions.

However, I wouldn't rely on him to get baskets in key possessions in the playoffs. And I certainly wouldn't trade the Minny pick unless GSW could make it top 12 protected in 2021 and top 7 protected in 2022.

[SAKURABA216]

Grant isn't helping his team win.

How much of his numbers are in games where Pistons are being beaten decisively?

Neither is Beal, but we would all happily trade for him.

Grant isn't the scorer Beal is. But he has a better contract and could defend some key positions.

However, I wouldn't rely on him to get baskets in key possessions in the playoffs. And I certainly wouldn't trade the Minny pick unless GSW could make it top 12 protected in 2021 and top 7 protected in 2022.

Didn't he have an awesome post-season last year? Overall, I think he is better than Wiggins, but I agree with you in that I don't think the difference between Wiggins and Grant is the Minnesota pick. Maybe Oubre and the 10-20 pick if it wasnt already tied to OKC, but that's a really bad deal for Detroit lol.

[wco81]

He had one or two games and he did defend the best players on the opponents team.

But a lot of his 3s just came off.

If he was more consistent, Denver would have at least taken the Lakers the full distance.

But he was getting a lot of catch and shoot corner 3s from kickouts.

He shot 40.6/32.6/80, 11.6 PPG. Over half his shot attempts were 3s. So Murray and Jokic gave him catch and shoots and he wasn't hitting them enough.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2991070/type/nba/seasontype/3

[FNQ]

Really could use some and-1s, so gonna try a nice pandering post that everyone will agree with, start making my ratio nicer. Ok.

I would seriously consider trading Andrew Wiggins for Blake Griffin

start and1ing now

[TrueFan420]

How is it bad? We give up the best player in the deal and a potential top pick for a top end role player and depth.

The best player in the deal is Grant by a considerable margin and he is on a way better contract than Wiggins. The minny pick is not going to help us next season, but if people are against it then instead we use another first maybe the 2026 first

Disagree on Grant being considerably better. I think Wiggins is the better player. He’s also been phenomenal defensively. Grants having a great year but this is the first time he’s flashed this and it’s on a **** team playing losing ball. Wiggins was in the same situation but at least flashed top end talent. Contract is irrelevant. Minny pick doesn’t have to help next season. It’s about thinking long term. That picks value combined with Wiggins should get us a clear cut shot at a superstar. It’s value is much much more than you give it.

[ShayDee]

How is it bad? We give up the best player in the deal and a potential top pick for a top end role player and depth.

The best player in the deal is Grant by a considerable margin and he is on a way better contract than Wiggins. The minny pick is not going to help us next season, but if people are against it then instead we use another first maybe the 2026 first

Disagree on Grant being considerably better. I think Wiggins is the better player. He’s also been phenomenal defensively. Grants having a great year but this is the first time he’s flashed this and it’s on a **** team playing losing ball. Wiggins was in the same situation but at least flashed top end talent. Contract is irrelevant. Minny pick doesn’t have to help next season. It’s about thinking long term. That picks value combined with Wiggins should get us a clear cut shot at a superstar. It’s value is much much more than you give it.

Contract isn't irrelevant when fans constantly get pissed when our GM is unable to build a competent roster and we keep signing g-league talent to play meaningful minutes in the rotation when we are trying to win games against top end teams. If the minny pick is too much then we have other picks and Wiggins is just earning too much money for whatever he is producing.

Grant is earning 10 mil less which we could use for a better rotational player than what we currently have and if people are saying Grant is putting up empty stats on a losing team then people can say the same about Wiggins for 6 years of his carrier and he has almost not improved at anything while being the number 1 pick

I was against trading Wiggins earlier but I've come to the realization that if we want to maximize the rest of Steph's prime while he is a top player then we have to go all in with all the assets and expendable salary we have and we have to choose between 1 of Wiseman and the minny pick to develop. I'd say keep Wiseman since he is already getting familiar with our system and we would have to start all over again with the minny pick if Wiseman is dealt instead. Detroit has some good players we could use as depth and they are tanking so I was thinking we could try and get something from them

[TrueFan420]

The best player in the deal is Grant by a considerable margin and he is on a way better contract than Wiggins. The minny pick is not going to help us next season, but if people are against it then instead we use another first maybe the 2026 first

Disagree on Grant being considerably better. I think Wiggins is the better player. He’s also been phenomenal defensively. Grants having a great year but this is the first time he’s flashed this and it’s on a **** team playing losing ball. Wiggins was in the same situation but at least flashed top end talent. Contract is irrelevant. Minny pick doesn’t have to help next season. It’s about thinking long term. That picks value combined with Wiggins should get us a clear cut shot at a superstar. It’s value is much much more than you give it.

Contract isn't irrelevant when fans constantly get pissed when our GM is unable to build a competent roster and we keep signing g-league talent to play meaningful minutes in the rotation when we are trying to win games against top end teams. If the minny pick is too much then we have other picks and Wiggins is just earning too much money for whatever he is producing.

Grant is earning 10 mil less which we could use for a better rotational player than what we currently have and if people are saying Grant is putting up empty stats on a losing team then people can say the same about Wiggins for 6 years of his carrier and he has almost not improved at anything while being the number 1 pick

I was against trading Wiggins earlier but I've come to the realization that if we want to maximize the rest of Steph's prime while he is a top player then we have to go all in with all the assets and expendable salary we have and we have to choose between 1 of Wiseman and the minny pick to develop. I'd say keep Wiseman since he is already getting familiar with our system and we would have to start all over again with the minny pick if Wiseman is dealt instead. Detroit has some good players we could use as depth and they are tanking so I was thinking we could try and get something from them

The G League talent is more a failure of our front office to convince vets to come here and mismanagement of our MLE. Yes money is tight but Klays injury really shapes that. Healthy Klay and Looney changes that convo.

Oubre/Bazemore/Wanamaker/Paschall/Looney isnt G League depth.

If you read what I wrote you see where I say just that it was the same with the difference being that Wiggins still flashed top end talent in those years. Just couldn’t maintain it. I’m skeptical of Grants one year of production on a **** team.

That’s def an option but if you do that you have to do it for a clear cut top end difference maker. That’s not Grant. At best that’s a wash. Plus we lose a pick. A valuable pick. If you make that move it’s got to be to chase something special.

[watch1958]

Personally I would do this deal. It helps our bench for next year and it also helps us get off Wiggins contract for a little more flexibility even if we are capped. Saves some repeater tax money. I like Wiggins but his inconsistencies are not worth what he is making and we can use his salary to get very good depth which we need to compete next season. Also shop Wanamaker in the process.

I know I added the minny pick but we also get Bey back in the deal which would help us more than the minny pick next season and also in the future, also added another first to maybe convince the Pistons to do the deal. Fair trade?

I like the guys you’re trying to get, but I am just not in on the package. Also I don’t think Detroit would be in on this anyway.

Having said that, I like Delon Wright to replace Wannamker & as a combo guard to bridge through Klay’s return. So if you can come up with a smaller deal to swap KO for Wright + filler, I’d be interested

[killacalijatt]

Iggy for Oubre? lol

[killmongrel]

If Jimmy Butler became available, what would you guys give up for him?

[TrueFan420]

If Jimmy Butler became available, what would you guys give up for him?

Not Curry, Klay or Dray. But I’d have to seriously consider putting the future on hold for Jimmy. We’d be a damn near lock to win the title every year. He can iso score. He’s a freaking monster defensively. He’s a legit playmaker.

It would be a tough pill but I’d imagine the convo would be Wiggins, Wiseman and the Min pick.

[whatisacenter]

If Jimmy Butler became available, what would you guys give up for him?

Not Curry, Klay or Dray. But I’d have to seriously consider putting the future on hold for Jimmy. We’d be a damn near lock to win the title every year. He can iso score. He’s a freaking monster defensively. He’s a legit playmaker.

It would be a tough pill but I’d imagine the convo would be Wiggins, Wiseman and the Min pick.

I would rather have this season's Wiggins over this season's Butler...not to mention mortgaging the future for him.

[killmongrel]

If Jimmy Butler became available, what would you guys give up for him?

Not Curry, Klay or Dray. But I’d have to seriously consider putting the future on hold for Jimmy. We’d be a damn near lock to win the title every year. He can iso score. He’s a freaking monster defensively. He’s a legit playmaker.

It would be a tough pill but I’d imagine the convo would be Wiggins, Wiseman and the Min pick.

That's what I figure as well. But if we do that, we're going all in as an organization since all our major players would be over 30 years old. Is it worth it? Probably.

Steph/Klay/Butler/Draymond/Looney is a killer lineup if Klay is healthy. But we'd need to an impact player with Oubre's salary or the MLE. Hope to get Iguodala with the vet. minimum. Some vets to ring chase.

Steph/Klay/Butler/Draymond/Looney with a bench of:

Oubre's salary, Iguodala, JTA, Paschall, Lee, Mulder, Bazemore(?), Poole, Smailagic and then decide what to do with Mannion and Jessup.

[donkeylips]

If Jimmy Butler became available, what would you guys give up for him?

everyone but curry

[weekend_warrior]

I wouldn't break the bank for Butler. Not a huge fan of the fit. Butler's 3p shot seems entirely gone. His scoring efficiency is still ok due to the high FTA, but that usually doesn't translate to GSW basketball (neither Wiggins nor Durant came close to their career highs in FTA with the Warriors). Now Butler is a very solid playmaker from the forward position.

Good playmaking forward, good defender, cannot shoot. Sounds like Draymond Green to some extent. Not saying that these 2 are the same players. But I don't see the fit of Butler and Green in our offense.

That being said, Butler will turn 32 around the start of the next season. I would be careful with expensive trades for players in that category as long as they aren't generational talents.