Julius Randle IS a 'cornerstone' player

[ohboy109]

Look at the results. Randle is averaging 23.1 points, 11 rebounds, and 5.6 assists... He is shooting 40 percent from three....

He is in rarified air. Here is the list of players to average at least 23 points, 11 rebounds and five assists in a season while also shooting at least 40 percent on 3s: Julius Randle.

Here is the list if you downsize that to 20, 10, and 5 and that 40 percent 3-point shooting: Julius Randle and Larry Bird."

The samples size is big enough now to see this is likely not an aberration at this point. Randle is cementing himself as a bonafide star in this league and YES cornerstone to a potential strong playoff team in the East (if you add another star to the mix).

https://theathletic.com/2391001/2021/02/16/julius-randles-44-point-game-means-more-for-knicks-than-making-him-an-all-star/?source=dailyemail

Are you kidding me stop the homer **** he needs to get traded sell high

[3toheadmelo]

Look at the results. Randle is averaging 23.1 points, 11 rebounds, and 5.6 assists... He is shooting 40 percent from three....

He is in rarified air. Here is the list of players to average at least 23 points, 11 rebounds and five assists in a season while also shooting at least 40 percent on 3s: Julius Randle.

Here is the list if you downsize that to 20, 10, and 5 and that 40 percent 3-point shooting: Julius Randle and Larry Bird."

The samples size is big enough now to see this is likely not an aberration at this point. Randle is cementing himself as a bonafide star in this league and YES cornerstone to a potential strong playoff team in the East (if you add another star to the mix).

https://theathletic.com/2391001/2021/02/16/julius-randles-44-point-game-means-more-for-knicks-than-making-him-an-all-star/?source=dailyemail

Are you kidding me stop the homer **** he needs to get traded sell high

Id sell high on you and trade you to another fan base

[Richard4444]

he's that player that a smart team would trade before teams figured out he aint all that. Unforch we're not a smart team so we'll be stuck with him till his inevitable max drags us down.

Gonna be Melo all over again...

Randle gonna drag this team only to be tired out & eliminated early in the 1st round.

But at least Randle is showing out in a contract year!

Woo hoo!

Not a contract year

Its indeed a contract year.

The next season is a team option. It would be waived if he was playing poorly...

[Richard4444]

Not a contract year

Mere technicality, an option year is basically a contract year, only difference is that you have to wait two years to cash in if you signed the wrong one.

So then it's not a contract year

His option being a team option makes all the difference. If we are talking in terms of simple financial incentives, Julius' potential outcomes were either:

1. Play like he did last season, or worse, and get paid either the same next season or less
2. Play better than he did last season, and get paid the exact same next season


He needs to sustain this level of play for another entire season before reaping the benefits.

I'd say that leads to the conclusion that this improvement across the board from him is not financially motivated then, at least not primarily like we usually attribute to contract year production. I think he genuinely cared enough on his own to find this next level.

If he would play like last season, he would have trouble making more than 10-12M/y in his next contract. And he would have to play for a small market team.

I am still not sure if a big market contender would offer him a 4-year max/near-max contract if he were a UFA...

[KnixtapeH20]

KD and Kyrie wasn’t built for this. Shout out to Randle for being the only star player since Melo who embraced the challenge of a Knick and wants to be here.

Read on Twitter

Word.

I still give props to STAT even tho his injuries derailed his impact with us.

That string of 9 or 10, 30 point games were up there with the special moments in the mecca. If OBI can even come close to that out put he'd be a top 2 player in his draft.

Translation: "I want to play for a terrible team to put up numbers and be sub .500 in the East and dupe the most useless front office in the league to give me a max contract."

If that were even remotely true STAT would have retired after his time with us. He LOVES the game and is passion is unmatched.

He wanted to come to NY to help build us back to prominence. How can you not respect that? Smh

You act like if his injuries didn't limit him he wouldn't have been a beast for us and more importantly a piece for our future.

[Richard4444]

We're 14-15 in the **** east. That's barely Kemba Walker or Nik Vucevic territory. Some of you are so thirsty for hope it's kind of sad. I guess for folks who started post 2002 or so it's different.

Ok? We have no talent around him. We're a gritty defensive team like the 90s Knicks.

Been watching since the 90's fam

I'd kill for Allan Houston on this team

Some folks are just so used to watching this team fail that they can't accept anything but more failure. Starting to build something is terrifying to them.

I think a great part of the fans expect us to evolve from a trash team to a contender almost instantly by getting a transcendent player in FA or in the draft. They are against slow evolution.

[cgf]

Look at the results. Randle is averaging 23.1 points, 11 rebounds, and 5.6 assists... He is shooting 40 percent from three....

He is in rarified air. Here is the list of players to average at least 23 points, 11 rebounds and five assists in a season while also shooting at least 40 percent on 3s: Julius Randle.

Here is the list if you downsize that to 20, 10, and 5 and that 40 percent 3-point shooting: Julius Randle and Larry Bird."

The samples size is big enough now to see this is likely not an aberration at this point. Randle is cementing himself as a bonafide star in this league and YES cornerstone to a potential strong playoff team in the East (if you add another star to the mix).

https://theathletic.com/2391001/2021/02/16/julius-randles-44-point-game-means-more-for-knicks-than-making-him-an-all-star/?source=dailyemail

Are you kidding me stop the homer **** he needs to get traded sell high

Id sell high on you and trade you to another fan base

We can't, buddy has no trade value

[KnixtapeH20]

Look at the results. Randle is averaging 23.1 points, 11 rebounds, and 5.6 assists... He is shooting 40 percent from three....

He is in rarified air. Here is the list of players to average at least 23 points, 11 rebounds and five assists in a season while also shooting at least 40 percent on 3s: Julius Randle.

Here is the list if you downsize that to 20, 10, and 5 and that 40 percent 3-point shooting: Julius Randle and Larry Bird."

The samples size is big enough now to see this is likely not an aberration at this point. Randle is cementing himself as a bonafide star in this league and YES cornerstone to a potential strong playoff team in the East (if you add another star to the mix).

https://theathletic.com/2391001/2021/02/16/julius-randles-44-point-game-means-more-for-knicks-than-making-him-an-all-star/?source=dailyemail

Are you kidding me stop the homer **** he needs to get traded sell high

Whate exactly is homer **** about what he said I'm dying to know.

[cgf]

Ok? We have no talent around him. We're a gritty defensive team like the 90s Knicks.

Been watching since the 90's fam

I'd kill for Allan Houston on this team

Some folks are just so used to watching this team fail that they can't accept anything but more failure. Starting to build something is terrifying to them.

I think a great part of the fans expect us to evolve from a trash team to a contender almost instantly by getting a transcendent player in FA or in the draft. They are against slow evolution.

I could not agree more. Our fanbase doesn't lack for passion, but patience is another matter entirely.

[nedleeds]

Word.

I still give props to STAT even tho his injuries derailed his impact with us.

That string of 9 or 10, 30 point games were up there with the special moments in the mecca. If OBI can even come close to that out put he'd be a top 2 player in his draft.

Translation: "I want to play for a terrible team to put up numbers and be sub .500 in the East and dupe the most useless front office in the league to give me a max contract."

All of your Randle takes has been pretty awful. Continue on with your Anti-Randle agenda as usual

I'm pro Randle. In a trade to a team who thinks he can be a winning player and gives us a nice haul. I'm anti our front office in charge of his next contract negotiation. I'm pretty clear about that. He's not a bad player based on this years work so that's progress. Randle decided to get in shape at age 26 and become a better player, good for him.

[GONYK]

Mere technicality, an option year is basically a contract year, only difference is that you have to wait two years to cash in if you signed the wrong one.

So then it's not a contract year

His option being a team option makes all the difference. If we are talking in terms of simple financial incentives, Julius' potential outcomes were either:

1. Play like he did last season, or worse, and get paid either the same next season or less
2. Play better than he did last season, and get paid the exact same next season


He needs to sustain this level of play for another entire season before reaping the benefits.

I'd say that leads to the conclusion that this improvement across the board from him is not financially motivated then, at least not primarily like we usually attribute to contract year production. I think he genuinely cared enough on his own to find this next level.

If he would play like last season, he would have trouble making more than 10-12M/y in his next contract. And he would have to play for a small market team.

I am still not sure if a big market contender would offer him a 4-year max/near-max contract if he were a UFA...

He's not getting near max contract next season from anyone now either, despite putting up all-star production.

[3toheadmelo]

Translation: "I want to play for a terrible team to put up numbers and be sub .500 in the East and dupe the most useless front office in the league to give me a max contract."

All of your Randle takes has been pretty awful. Continue on with your Anti-Randle agenda as usual

I'm pro Randle. In a trade to a team who thinks he can be a winning player and gives us a nice haul. I'm anti our front office in charge of his next contract negotiation. I'm pretty clear about that. He's not a bad player based on this years work so that's progress. Randle decided to get in shape at age 26 and become a better player, good for him.

What type of haul?

[3toheadmelo]

Great read

Read on Twitter

[Richard4444]

Look at the results. Randle is averaging 23.1 points, 11 rebounds, and 5.6 assists... He is shooting 40 percent from three....

He is in rarified air. Here is the list of players to average at least 23 points, 11 rebounds and five assists in a season while also shooting at least 40 percent on 3s: Julius Randle.

Here is the list if you downsize that to 20, 10, and 5 and that 40 percent 3-point shooting: Julius Randle and Larry Bird."

The samples size is big enough now to see this is likely not an aberration at this point. Randle is cementing himself as a bonafide star in this league and YES cornerstone to a potential strong playoff team in the East (if you add another star to the mix).

https://theathletic.com/2391001/2021/02/16/julius-randles-44-point-game-means-more-for-knicks-than-making-him-an-all-star/?source=dailyemail

Are you kidding me stop the homer **** he needs to get traded sell high

I am not sure if Randle has so much trade value right now.

The teams are not naive. It's improbable a player evolves so much in one year. They might think it can be a fluke. Especially is his 7th season.

At least, the teams will wonder if Randle's success is due to the Thibs"s system. He is a not very fast high-usage player who doesn't protect the rim and only has shot the 3s well in 2 of his 7 seasons.

If the own fans of the team where Randle fit perfectly and dominates every game wonder if he is a keeper, what do you think the other"s teams are thinking about him right now?

[nedleeds]

Look at the results. Randle is averaging 23.1 points, 11 rebounds, and 5.6 assists... He is shooting 40 percent from three....

He is in rarified air. Here is the list of players to average at least 23 points, 11 rebounds and five assists in a season while also shooting at least 40 percent on 3s: Julius Randle.

Here is the list if you downsize that to 20, 10, and 5 and that 40 percent 3-point shooting: Julius Randle and Larry Bird."

The samples size is big enough now to see this is likely not an aberration at this point. Randle is cementing himself as a bonafide star in this league and YES cornerstone to a potential strong playoff team in the East (if you add another star to the mix).

https://theathletic.com/2391001/2021/02/16/julius-randles-44-point-game-means-more-for-knicks-than-making-him-an-all-star/?source=dailyemail

Are you kidding me stop the homer **** he needs to get traded sell high

Whate exactly is homer **** about what he said I'm dying to know.

We're 14-16 in a garbage conference with Julius in rarified air. Randle is shooting 40% from 3, vs. 28% last year (and 22%, 27%, 34% and 28% in his other years). Maybe this is permanent change in his outside shooting or it's small sample size. He's mostly in rarified air because we start the worst point guard in organized basketball and Randle runs our offense (that is currently 108.2 (24th of 30)).

So rah rah we're 14-16 in the East. All his numbers have created a bottom 6 offense in the league. If the league thinks he's "LeBron Lite" and some of the bonkers stuff in this thread then he'd net a massive haul because LeBron is a top 3 player in the league.

[Oscirus]

Are you kidding me stop the homer **** he needs to get traded sell high

Whate exactly is homer **** about what he said I'm dying to know.

We're 14-16 in a garbage conference with Julius in rarified air. Randle is shooting 40% from 3, vs. 28% last year (and 22%, 27%, 34% and 28% in his other years). Maybe this is permanent change in his outside shooting or it's small sample size. He's mostly in rarified air because we start the worst point guard in organized basketball and he runs our offense (that is currently 108.2 (24th of 30)).

So rah rah we're 14-16 in the East. All his numbers have created a bottom 6 offense in the league. If the league thinks he's "LeBron Lite" and some of the bonkers stuff in this thread then he'd net a massive haul because LeBron is a top 3 player in the league.

I think the rest of the league knows exactly whats up here. We'd probably get close to the haul that we got for morris, probably a little more. He's just over valued here cuz he puts up pretty numbers on this garbage team.

[nedleeds]

All of your Randle takes has been pretty awful. Continue on with your Anti-Randle agenda as usual

I'm pro Randle. In a trade to a team who thinks he can be a winning player and gives us a nice haul. I'm anti our front office in charge of his next contract negotiation. I'm pretty clear about that. He's not a bad player based on this years work so that's progress. Randle decided to get in shape at age 26 and become a better player, good for him.

What type of haul?

Let's state our assumptions

* that he stays in shape and has turned the corner on that chapter of his career
* 3 point shooting settles at something like 35%, I think saying he'll shoot 40% for the rest of his career is a reach we both agree on
* the assumption that he'll play out next year for ~$20 million, which at current production even on a bad team is a value contract
* the team he's being traded to intends to sign him to his next deal, which would likely run from age 28 to 32 or 33

To make things simple lets assume we aren't taking back terrible contracts, that would add to our haul (John Wall / Westbrick / WIggins / DeAngelo Russell or some absolute cap wrecker).

I'd happily trade him for either a ~22-23 year old high end prospect (examples would be MPJ, Collins) and a mid 1st rounder (expected to be 10-15). Or 1 good (potentially 1-10) 1st rounder and a mid 1st rounder.

I'd probably take any of the top 8 or so from this past draft except Okongwu who might not be in the league in a year.

[nedleeds]

Whate exactly is homer **** about what he said I'm dying to know.

We're 14-16 in a garbage conference with Julius in rarified air. Randle is shooting 40% from 3, vs. 28% last year (and 22%, 27%, 34% and 28% in his other years). Maybe this is permanent change in his outside shooting or it's small sample size. He's mostly in rarified air because we start the worst point guard in organized basketball and he runs our offense (that is currently 108.2 (24th of 30)).

So rah rah we're 14-16 in the East. All his numbers have created a bottom 6 offense in the league. If the league thinks he's "LeBron Lite" and some of the bonkers stuff in this thread then he'd net a massive haul because LeBron is a top 3 player in the league.

I think the rest of the league knows exactly whats up here. We'd probably get close to the haul that we got for morris, probably a little more. He's just over valued here cuz he puts up pretty numbers on this garbage team.

The trade and transaction people on RealGM felt the same way, but Randle has sustained his play and there have been some injuries to other teams so maybe his market has improved. Like Portland is down Collins and Nurkic. The Mavs are struggling and if you think Randle is a 40% spot up 3-point shooter he'd look pretty good next to Luka who can't hit water from a boat right now.

[dakomish23]

Some folks are just so used to watching this team fail that they can't accept anything but more failure. Starting to build something is terrifying to them.

I think a great part of the fans expect us to evolve from a trash team to a contender almost instantly by getting a transcendent player in FA or in the draft. They are against slow evolution.

I could not agree more. Our fanbase doesn't lack for passion, but patience is another matter entirely.

Go look at the BKN game thread and PG thread. If you ever wanted to see how ridiculously impatient this base is, that's it in a nutshell.

There's also massive impatience to wait for things to materialize through smart decision making.

Downplaying draft position, asset acquisition and youth development has been proven wrong time and again, yet it's always going to come up b/c ppl don't have the patience for the long term view. They want progress now.

For once we have kids pushing this forward, so both sides get something from our current position. Yet neither side is happy

[Richard4444]

So then it's not a contract year

His option being a team option makes all the difference. If we are talking in terms of simple financial incentives, Julius' potential outcomes were either:

1. Play like he did last season, or worse, and get paid either the same next season or less
2. Play better than he did last season, and get paid the exact same next season


He needs to sustain this level of play for another entire season before reaping the benefits.

I'd say that leads to the conclusion that this improvement across the board from him is not financially motivated then, at least not primarily like we usually attribute to contract year production. I think he genuinely cared enough on his own to find this next level.

If he would play like last season, he would have trouble making more than 10-12M/y in his next contract. And he would have to play for a small market team.

I am still not sure if a big market contender would offer him a 4-year max/near-max contract if he were a UFA...

He's not getting near max contract next season from anyone now either, despite putting up all-star production.

I agree he is not in near max range for most teams (although I think a team like Hornets or Kings can overpay for him).

So, The Knicks picking his 20M TO is a win for him. That's why I think he is in a contract year.