Official Trade Thread -- Part XL

[NatP4]

Ummm, a team would trade a 2nd round pick for Robin Lopez??

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[Frichuela]

Ummm, a team would trade a 2nd round pick for Robin Lopez??

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Agreed!

[NatP4]

Ummm, a team would trade a 2nd round pick for Robin Lopez??

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Agreed!

Yeah! Lets turn Robin Lopez into one of Chris Duarte/Miles McBride/Joel Ayayi/Ayo Dosunmu

Anyone not named Avdija, Beal, Bonga, or Mathews can be acquired with a 2nd round draft pick as far as I’m concerned.

[gambitx777]

Ummm, a team would trade a 2nd round pick for Robin Lopez??

Sign me up

Agreed!

Yeah! Lets turn Robin Lopez into one of Chris Duarte/Miles McBride/Joel Ayayi/Ayo Dosunmu

Anyone not named Avdija, Beal, Bonga, or Mathews can be acquired with a 2nd round draft pick as far as I’m concerned.

I wouldn't trade rui for a second he's gotten so much better this year. He's coming along. I can see him as one of those late bloomers that get really good in year 5 or 6.

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[Ruzious]

Agreed!

Yeah! Lets turn Robin Lopez into one of Chris Duarte/Miles McBride/Joel Ayayi/Ayo Dosunmu

Anyone not named Avdija, Beal, Bonga, or Mathews can be acquired with a 2nd round draft pick as far as I’m concerned.

I wouldn't trade rui for a second he's gotten so much better this year. He's coming along. I can see him as one of those late bloomers that get really good in year 5 or 6.

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His stats are basically the same as last season. But I agree - he's probably got significant trade value - certainly more than a 2nd, and he occasionally shows signs of what he could become. I think playing with Westbrook has not helped him.

[DCZards]

Agreed!

Yeah! Lets turn Robin Lopez into one of Chris Duarte/Miles McBride/Joel Ayayi/Ayo Dosunmu

Anyone not named Avdija, Beal, Bonga, or Mathews can be acquired with a 2nd round draft pick as far as I’m concerned.

I wouldn't trade rui for a second he's gotten so much better this year. He's coming along. I can see him as one of those late bloomers that get really good in year 5 or 6.

Agreed. Would be a mistake to trade Rui for a second round pick. I'd also give Brown some PT before I trade him for a 2nd round pick. I still believe Troy has a ton of potential.

While I've been one of his biggest fans and advocates, I'd probably trade Bonga for a 2nd round pick at this point.

[NatP4]

If we can trick some team into giving us a 1st for Rui or Brown, let’s do it.

[Ruzious]

If we can trick some team into giving us a 1st for Rui or Brown, let’s do it.

You're significantly underrating Rui's trade value - and I've been one of his biggest critics.

[NatP4]

If we can trick some team into giving us a 1st for Rui or Brown, let’s do it.

You're significantly underrating Rui's trade value - and I've been one of his biggest critics.

Based on what exactly? He’s not a good player, and he just turned 23 years old.

I seriously doubt we could get anything better than a 20-30 range pick.

He doesn’t get steals, blocks, or rebounds. He’s a liability on defense, he doesn’t score efficiently. He really does nothing well.

[Ruzious]

If we can trick some team into giving us a 1st for Rui or Brown, let’s do it.

You're significantly underrating Rui's trade value - and I've been one of his biggest critics.

Based on what exactly? He’s not a good player, and he just turned 23 years old.

I seriously doubt we could get anything better than a 20-30 range pick.

He doesn’t get steals, blocks, or rebounds. He’s a liability on defense, he doesn’t score efficiently. He really does nothing well.

C'mon man, you basically said there we could get a pick in the 20-30 range - in the first round. Right before that, you said we'd have to trick a team to give us a 1st for him. Your preaching to the choir about his faults.

[NatP4]

You're significantly underrating Rui's trade value - and I've been one of his biggest critics.

Based on what exactly? He’s not a good player, and he just turned 23 years old.

I seriously doubt we could get anything better than a 20-30 range pick.

He doesn’t get steals, blocks, or rebounds. He’s a liability on defense, he doesn’t score efficiently. He really does nothing well.

C'mon man, you basically said there we could get a pick in the 20-30 range - in the first round. Right before that, you said we'd have to trick a team to give us a 1st for him. Your preaching to the choir about his faults.

Yeah, I think it would be dumb for a team to trade a 1st round pick for Hachimura, because he’s awful, but we traded a 1st round pick for Markieff Morris, so who knows?

The 20-30 range pick would be us tricking a dumb team. The real issue with our roster right now is the 2018&2019 1st round picks.

we should have Donte Divincenzo&Brandon Clarke!!!!

[prime1time]

Fans on this board are obsessed with trading away Rui and Brown. When a team tries to trade their first-round pick, you're basically admitting that they failed and you'll get pennies on the dollar. Thoughts of getting a first-round pick in a trade for Rui are pie in the sky at best. If the draft pick is doing well, we would keep them. If they're not doing well, why would any other team want them? The best move is obviously to develop them, period. Look at Randle. Players take time. Period. We are 1.5 seasons into Rui's career and people are already making absolute statements about the caliber player he can be. Just let the process play out, deal lord. Worst comes to worse, he's on a rookie contract for the next 3 years. There is no reasonable argument to make for trading him, unless a team is going to give us good value.

What is the argument against trying to actually develop him as a player? I really want to hear it. Also, why would we trade Brown? Right now, he's not even in the rotation. How would we get a first-round pick for a player who can't even crack the rotation? Right now Brown is a bench warmer. There is no such thing as "tricking" a team about their value. The only hope is that another team believes in their potential and possible fit with the team that they are building.

[NatP4]

Hachimura has played 2000 minutes, Brown Jr has played almost 3000 minutes. If you can get a 1st round pick for each of them you do it. No question about it.

Just a shame, the players picked after Brown Jr were discussed endlessly on this board: Divincenzo, Robinson, Williams, Shamet, Brunson, Huerter.

After Hachimura: Clarke, Keldon&Cam Johnson, Claxton, Gafford, Washington, Bitadze, Horton-Tucker, Thybulle, Williams. That 2019 draft was absolutely horrible overall though.

[Ruzious]

Based on what exactly? He’s not a good player, and he just turned 23 years old.

I seriously doubt we could get anything better than a 20-30 range pick.

He doesn’t get steals, blocks, or rebounds. He’s a liability on defense, he doesn’t score efficiently. He really does nothing well.

C'mon man, you basically said there we could get a pick in the 20-30 range - in the first round. Right before that, you said we'd have to trick a team to give us a 1st for him. Your preaching to the choir about his faults.

Yeah, I think it would be dumb for a team to trade a 1st round pick for Hachimura, because he’s awful, but we traded a 1st round pick for Markieff Morris, so who knows?

The 20-30 range pick would be us tricking a dumb team. The real issue with our roster right now is the 2018&2019 1st round picks.

we should have Donte Divincenzo&Brandon Clarke!!!!

DDV and Clarke are good, but I'm not gonna lose any sleep that we didn't get them, tbh. If Brown had continued a normal rate of development, he'd be fine. Milwaukee's done a nice job of developing DDV - even though they tried to dump him for Bogdanovich in the offseason.

[DCZards]

Hachimura has played 2000 minutes, Brown Jr has played almost 3000 minutes. If you can get a 1st round pick for each of them you do it. No question about it.

Just a shame, the players picked after Brown Jr were discussed endlessly on this board: Divincenzo, Robinson, Williams, Shamet, Brunson, Huerter.

After Hachimura: Clarke, Keldon&Cam Johnson, Claxton, Gafford, Washington, Bitadze, Horton-Tucker, Thybulle, Williams. That 2019 draft was absolutely horrible overall though.

Rui's NBA career been disrupted by an injury 25 games into his rookie season, which led to him missing over 20 games, a pandemic 15 games after he returned from injury, and an eye issue and covid scare that forced him to miss 7 out of the first 14 games this season.

I think we should give Rui the opportunity to play a consistent stretch of games before we trade him--or decide that marginal players like Shamet, Brunson, Huerter and Divincenzo are going to end up being better NBA players than him.

[NatP4]

I was going to take the bait, but then I realized:

Per36, Rui is averaging 2 more rebounds than 6 foot tall Jalen Brunson. Same amount of blocks.

[Mizerooskie]

Wizards' asking price for Bradley Beal revealed

"Three different executives, who spoke to the News, defined the price as steep. One longtime GM laid it out specifically: three unprotected first-rounders, two pick swaps, a young player and an expiring contract."

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/wizards_asking_price_for_bradley_beal_revealed/s1_16514_34095653?utm_source=mb&utm_medium=email&mb_edition=20210214&mb_loc=left_h

Yeah, that's pretty much what the market has established following the trades of Davis, George, Jrue and Harden.

I guess for those who want to do the exercise here are the teams supposedly in contention:

Beal’s desired teams include the Pelicans, [Dallas] Mavs, [Miami] Heat, [and] the LA teams, per a league source.”

Don't know how reliable the source is but here's the link.

https://itsgame7.com/5-teams-besides-wizards-bradley-beal-reportedly-wants-to-play-for/

I mean, NOP is really the only team that can pay the purported price, right?

Would they part with Hayes/Lewis (would we want either?) plus their 2021 and some of the Lakers' future 1sts?

Beal would be a magnificent fit with Zion, and I think they'd vault right into a legit contender, despite their early struggles this season.

[prime1time]

Hachimura has played 2000 minutes, Brown Jr has played almost 3000 minutes. If you can get a 1st round pick for each of them you do it. No question about it.

Just a shame, the players picked after Brown Jr were discussed endlessly on this board: Divincenzo, Robinson, Williams, Shamet, Brunson, Huerter.

After Hachimura: Clarke, Keldon&Cam Johnson, Claxton, Gafford, Washington, Bitadze, Horton-Tucker, Thybulle, Williams. That 2019 draft was absolutely horrible overall though.

The question is why would they give up a first-round draft pick on a player that you consider so hopeless that you want to move them? Better yet, how many trades like the one you describe have been made? Recent draft pick for a first-round draft pick.

Also, I'm so tired of posters bringing up other draft picks and saying, if only we drafted this guy, he'd be a good player here. This is so confused. When first round draft picks fail, it's because you don't develop them. This is what a lot of people don't understand. You bring one of those guys here, and we would run them into the ground. Fans are obsessed with who "succeeds and fails" as if its solely dependent on the player. Unless you're bringing in a bonafide star, the team needs to be able to develop the players they draft. So you're logic is, "We drafted Rui and Brown and they aren't good so trade them for first-round draft picks and try again." If we couldn't develop Brown and Hachimura, how would we develop a late first-round draft pick. This thinking reminds me of a Family Guy joke.

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You're enamored with the unknown. Trade Rui for the 30th pick in the draft and it would be a win. You're betting solely on potential. Which player would we target? How would that player help our team? What skills does that player have? How does his strengths contribute to what we need? There's none of that in your argument. All you have is get rid of our last two first round picks and bet on the potential of a draft pick. If I was another team, I wouldn't even give up a future 2nd round draft pick for Rui or Brown.

The fact that an organization is trying to desperately try to trade them tells me all you want to know. The best you'd get is the deal we got for Mo Wagner or Jerome Robinson, i.e. a straight-up giveaway. No organization is going to give up valuable assets for players who's original team is trying to give up on.

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These are the kind of trades you get for first-round draft picks that teams give up on.

[prime1time]

Yeah, that's pretty much what the market has established following the trades of Davis, George, Jrue and Harden.

I guess for those who want to do the exercise here are the teams supposedly in contention:

Beal’s desired teams include the Pelicans, [Dallas] Mavs, [Miami] Heat, [and] the LA teams, per a league source.”

Don't know how reliable the source is but here's the link.

https://itsgame7.com/5-teams-besides-wizards-bradley-beal-reportedly-wants-to-play-for/

I mean, NOP is really the only team that can pay the purported price, right?

Would they part with Hayes/Lewis (would we want either?) plus their 2021 and some of the Lakers' future 1sts?

Beal would be a magnificent fit with Zion, and I think they'd vault right into a legit contender, despite their early struggles this season.

Read your own post.

I think they'd vault right into a legit contender, despite their early struggles this season

How much could NOP give up and still be a contender? Hayes doesn't start. Lewis barely gets burn. More so, as you move into being a contender you want to streamline your salary cap. Because money gets tight. Plus those players could be easily replaced. If I'm the Pelicans, I'd give up anyone/anything outside of Ingram and Williamson. I'd put a cap on the total number of assets, but there' is no player outside of those two players that I would not think about trading.

[prime1time]

Just because you don't like a player or you don't think a player is good, or you can compare one stat of a player to another player and show how said player is underperforming does not mean they should be traded. An organization's first-round draft picks should be traded, only after a team has exhausted every opportunity to make the relationship work (assuming that the team does not view the player as an asset). Other teams will view the attempt at a trade as an admission that the player is a bust and will value him as such. After you draft either you develop them into a positive asset or you don't. Anything else is pie in the sky thinking.