Trade Oubre PRONTO.

[ILOVEIT]

He's played much better lately.

We played some dog teams lately

For sure. Not back tracking on my loathing at all.

But he had 4 assists and he’s put together a couple of decent games. But more importantly has passed and moved the ball a bit better.

Up the trade value is where I’m at lol

You know what's really weird....is how we all adjust the bar for a guy like Oubre. We lower it waaaaaaaaay down. He hits two threes in a row and we think...yes...what a player!

We see him move the ball onto the next player and we are relieved lol.

And then we see Toscona come in and do the same things with less flare....

Sigh.

[Sleepy51]

You know what's really weird....is how we all adjust the bar for a guy like Oubre. We lower it waaaaaaaaay down. He hits two threes in a row and we think...yes...what a player!

We see him move the ball onto the next player and we are relieved lol.

And then we see Toscona come in and do the same things with less flare....

Sigh.

Oubre is a great example of the “moneyball” inefficiency in the NBA marketplace. Teams pay through the nose for athleticism. They see athletic ability always as a “potential” rather than a “result.” Oubre is a superior athlete because of countless 10,000 hours since childhood spent running up and down basketball courts and leaping and cultivating a body that can perform outrageous athletic feats. That is not a “natural gift.” This level of athletic ability is absolutely earned and a result of tremendous investments of physical labor. Just like a jump shot. Just like ball handling. And just like BBIQ. Oubre is not mentally deficient. He’s not learning disabled. He just didn’t invest the 10,000’s of hours in cultivating the mental skillset. Anyway, back to the market inefficiency, teams always view the athleticism as a given, a gift, and a base, something that is “raw material” they believe they can shape it into a hi IQ super-athletic Lebron or Giannis. It’s fools gold. Guys are largely who they are by 21-25. The learning had to start earlier. 10,000 hours if 4 years of 9-5 labor. You aren’t going to get that kind of investment along side of maintaining the physicals + competing in games and having a life etc. the die is cast.


Waitng for an Oubre to become basketball literate at the level of the Warriors system is like waiting for your cat to start playing the piano more like Chopin.

JTA clearly invested in a different parts of the skillset, parts that are clearly more valuable to winning, but parts that NBA teams don’t yet recognize when they see them.

The market has to get smarter. Oubre’s next contact will still be larger than JTAs, pricing him out of an appropriate role where his particular skills could be maximized off the bench and against other flawed/limited players. We need to casg in on that market inefficiency and move Oubre for a smarter player even if they dunk less.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Why is this the worst shooting year of Oubre's 8 year career?

[ILOVEIT]

Why is this the worst shooting year of Oubre's 8 year career?

Great question.

I'm guessing adding him to a system has the opposite effect of Wiggins. For Oubre he plays "better" when he can do what ever the F he wants and doens't have to think at all....

Here he has to make decisions...."where is steph"..."how do I stay on a string defensively" ...."how does this constant ball movement system work"..."how long should I hold the ball".

You know...just having to quickly make the "shoot it or move the ball" decision is likely a problem for Oubre...he's clearly not a fast thinker.....

That....plus pressing early on....

You can almost see him grinding mentally on every possession out there. His one break out game he was just running around and playing and the entire game was open floor...very little half court execution.

[Sleepy51]

Why is this the worst shooting year of Oubre's 8 year career?

I think like Poole, he was not a good catch and shoot player or a disciplined shot selector, which are both things that this system demands of them. I dont recall the stats but someone else pointed out right after his signing that the spot up 3 from the corner was one of his weakest shots Oubre's 3pt highlight reel is full of ISO pullups off of dribble moves and ball pounding stuff. Not catch and shoot where the shot was created by another player for him.

He is a bad fit to play with our other best players. When Klay returns, he would not have a spot in the starting lineup anyway. If he were to be here long term it would be as a tunnel vision iso bench scorer and stopper of like minded players. His only role for us would be to win the matchup against Lou Williams. How much is that skillset worth to us and how much higher will his overvalued athleticism be?

We need to deal him to maximize the asset. This isn't about punishing him for missing shots. Frankly, I never worry about shooting slumps. I expect and am patient with inevitable reversion to the mean, but it's the ball stopping and the team defensive lapses that cause me to devalue him. Trade him this year for a player under contract next year so we preserve the salary slot. Otherwise this was a failed experiment and a waste of Steph and Dray's time this season.

[FNQ]

Waitng for an Oubre to become basketball literate at the level of the Warriors system is like waiting for your cat to start playing the piano more like Chopin.

Watch on YouTube

Playing a Chopin classic. Check and mate ****

Oubre stays forever

[mos_def]

His play the last couple of weeks has pretty much made him untradable due to his length and currently the lack of the teams right now. Take into account that it would mess with "Kerr's rotation."

[marthafokker]

Don't know if he will ever play Chopin, but looks good last night to suggest he can play more than chop sticks.

Looks like he has finally started to understand playing in a motion offense. I am critical of him. But has to give him credit though.

The sad part is by the time he understands how to be efficient, he will be paid by another team.

[Sleepy51]

His play the last couple of weeks has pretty much made him untradable due to his length and currently the lack of the teams right now. Take into account that it would mess with "Kerr's rotation."

So you wouldn’t trade Oubre and Wannamaker for a upgrade at backup PG or another Big who is actually under contract next year and can be part of an offseason trade upgrade, and just promote Lee, Baze and JTA into his wing minutes? Because that is just f ing stupid

You bought GameStop at $400 didn’t you?

[Ilovethebay]

His play the last couple of weeks has pretty much made him untradable due to his length and currently the lack of the teams right now. Take into account that it would mess with "Kerr's rotation."

So you wouldn’t trade Oubre and Wannamaker for a upgrade at backup PG or another Big who is actually under contract next year and can be part of an offseason trade upgrade, and just promote Lee, Baze and JTA into his wing minutes? Because that is just f ing stupid

You bought GameStop at $400 didn’t you?

thanks for that laugh. But i have to ask: Who is going to give us said player for those 2 guys ?

[whatisacenter]

well if the Dubs are going to trade Oubre he is helping them out by upping his value with his recent play. I would trade him if it means getting a player who fits into their long-term plans but he looks to be getting more comfortable in the Warriors system and his and Wiggins defense is helping the Warriors immensely.

[parsnips33]

In January, Wiggins shot 40% from 3 and Oubre shot 27% from 3.

In February (so far), Wiggins has shot 30% from 3 and Oubre has shot 46% from 3.

If both of these guys can get it going at the same time, this team can be a legit two way force.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Hes not initiating much of anything anymore and doesnt iso as much. Hes living off wide open 3s and attacking close outs. Kerr took the thinking out of the game for oubre and its paying off. And now the bench has all of a sudden looked better as well.

[wco81]

His play the last couple of weeks has pretty much made him untradable due to his length and currently the lack of the teams right now. Take into account that it would mess with "Kerr's rotation."

So you wouldn’t trade Oubre and Wannamaker for a upgrade at backup PG or another Big who is actually under contract next year and can be part of an offseason trade upgrade, and just promote Lee, Baze and JTA into his wing minutes? Because that is just f ing stupid

You bought GameStop at $400 didn’t you?

Yeah I'd trade Oubre for the ability to acquire another quality starter for next year.

Either teams will be willing to trade for Oubre because they like his defensive length and some scoring ability or they will do it to dump a salary for next year and beyond.

So either contenders who want to shore up wing depth or maybe a team out of the playoffs looking to dump salary for future years.

Likely to get better value from the second group. I've mentioned players like Barnes in Sacto and some other forwards who may have years left on their contract after this season.

There are people who've advocated players like Beal or Lavine. But the issue with those players is that Klay would be forced to play the 3 and they'd be volume shooters, taking away shots from the Splash Bros. Lavine has elite shooting numbers this year but can he keep it up when he's the second or third option? Steph and Klay have done it their whole careers while Lavine is having his breakout season this year.

[Old_Blue]

Everyone wants to trade Oubre. But nobody wants to name a single reasonable player we could acquire in exchange.

[killmongrel]

Everyone wants to trade Oubre. But nobody wants to name a single reasonable player we could acquire in exchange.

I've talked about this before. I would trade Oubre and filler salary and the Minny Pick for Jerami Grant. As in love as we are with that Minny pick, Grant helps us right away. A lineup of Steph/Wiggins/Grant/Draymond/Wiseman is a killer. And when Klay is healthy, we have a ton of flexibility with our roster. What team can compete with a death lineup of Steph/Klay/Wiggins/Grant/Draymond. Our bench, excluding Wiseman, will also still have the MLE, Looney, Paschall, etc.

[watch1958]

Everyone wants to trade Oubre. But nobody wants to name a single reasonable player we could acquire in exchange.

I've talked about this before. I would trade Oubre and filler salary and the Minny Pick for Jerami Grant. As in love as we are with that Minny pick, Grant helps us right away. A lineup of Steph/Wiggins/Grant/Draymond/Wiseman is a killer. And when Klay is healthy, we have a ton of flexibility with our roster. What team can compete with a death lineup of Steph/Klay/Wiggins/Grant/Draymond. Our bench, excluding Wiseman, will also still have the MLE, Looney, Paschall, etc.

Would Detroit do that deal?

[killmongrel]

Everyone wants to trade Oubre. But nobody wants to name a single reasonable player we could acquire in exchange.

I've talked about this before. I would trade Oubre and filler salary and the Minny Pick for Jerami Grant. As in love as we are with that Minny pick, Grant helps us right away. A lineup of Steph/Wiggins/Grant/Draymond/Wiseman is a killer. And when Klay is healthy, we have a ton of flexibility with our roster. What team can compete with a death lineup of Steph/Klay/Wiggins/Grant/Draymond. Our bench, excluding Wiseman, will also still have the MLE, Looney, Paschall, etc.

Would Detroit do that deal?

I have no idea. But the other poster was asking for an example. I have others. But this is the most significant.

With that said, my logic of why Detroit does this is that they want assets. Grant does not fit their timeline in any way. He's locked in for two more years after this season, but like I said, Detroit has no direction at the moment. So if they can get another lottery pick in a loaded draft, as well as be able to try out Oubre who is younger, they may be interested. I'd even throw in Paschall to just really push the deal.

[mos_def]

Everyone wants to trade Oubre. But nobody wants to name a single reasonable player we could acquire in exchange.

I've talked about this before. I would trade Oubre and filler salary and the Minny Pick for Jerami Grant. As in love as we are with that Minny pick, Grant helps us right away. A lineup of Steph/Wiggins/Grant/Draymond/Wiseman is a killer. And when Klay is healthy, we have a ton of flexibility with our roster. What team can compete with a death lineup of Steph/Klay/Wiggins/Grant/Draymond. Our bench, excluding Wiseman, will also still have the MLE, Looney, Paschall, etc.

Would Detroit do that deal?

Why would we do that deal? Grant is getting 19mil this year, was a 2nd round pick with this year being the only prime year he has had. We don't improve rebounding. You would trade a lottery pick, Oubre, and more for Grant? What would it take to get Giannis, both splash bros??? I would do a grant straight up for Oubs, but the pick is pretty much worthless to you in that scenario

[killmongrel]

I've talked about this before. I would trade Oubre and filler salary and the Minny Pick for Jerami Grant. As in love as we are with that Minny pick, Grant helps us right away. A lineup of Steph/Wiggins/Grant/Draymond/Wiseman is a killer. And when Klay is healthy, we have a ton of flexibility with our roster. What team can compete with a death lineup of Steph/Klay/Wiggins/Grant/Draymond. Our bench, excluding Wiseman, will also still have the MLE, Looney, Paschall, etc.

Would Detroit do that deal?

Why would we do that deal? Grant is getting 19mil this year, was a 2nd round pick with this year being the only prime year he has had. We don't improve rebounding. You would trade a lottery pick, Oubre, and more for Grant? What would it take to get Giannis, both splash bros??? I would do a grant straight up for Oubs, but the pick is pretty much worthless to you in that scenario

Keep this in mind, if we're trading Oubre this season, that means we have no idea where that pick lands. But if you were to tell me, would I trade it if I knew it was the #4 pick and we were in love with the prospect at that spot, then that's a different story.