Post Game Thoughts. Pacers.

[Klomp]

So in this attempt at a comparison, Rubio is our star player right now?

No, you run a play with "13 assists - 1 turnover" Rubio where he finds a good pass to one of our shooters (Towns, Beasley or McDaniels) or a cutting Edwards, like we'd done several times before with success.

If that means calling Rubio "our star player", that's on you.

And if something breaks down, we have Rubio to throw up the last-second heave? Bold strategy.

[Heimdal]

So in this attempt at a comparison, Rubio is our star player right now?

No, you run a play with "13 assists - 1 turnover" Rubio where he finds a good pass to one of our shooters (Towns, Beasley or McDaniels) or a cutting Edwards, like we'd done several times before with success.

If that means calling Rubio "our star player", that's on you.

And if something breaks down, we have Rubio to throw up the last-second heave? Bold strategy.

A good play would have several options so Rubio doesn't run out of them and has to force a shot. IF, and that's a big if, everything fails, nobody moves, nothing works, and Rubio has to take a shot, he was 6/13. It's not like there was a 0% chance he makes it.
Edwards was 3/4 on dunks and 0/11 on everything else. The play was so useless, it got defenders switching, so Edwards took a fadeaway 3 over 6'11 Myles Turner, #1 in blocks, instead of 6'6 Holiday.

[LesGrossman]

So in this attempt at a comparison, Rubio is our star player right now?

No, you run a play with "13 assists - 1 turnover" Rubio where he finds a good pass to one of our shooters (Towns, Beasley or McDaniels) or a cutting Edwards, like we'd done several times before with success.

If that means calling Rubio "our star player", that's on you.

And if something breaks down, we have Rubio to throw up the last-second heave? Bold strategy.

What were Ricky's %'s, compared to Ant's, in this game?

...ironically, Ricky - out of frustration - threw a long, running 3pt shot with the buzzer because he doesnt really care for his %. It didnt look a bit worse than what Ant put up, to be honest.

https://youtu.be/Zg99OPGPaA4?t=564

[Klomp]

No, you run a play with "13 assists - 1 turnover" Rubio where he finds a good pass to one of our shooters (Towns, Beasley or McDaniels) or a cutting Edwards, like we'd done several times before with success.

If that means calling Rubio "our star player", that's on you.

And if something breaks down, we have Rubio to throw up the last-second heave? Bold strategy.

What were Ricky's %'s, compared to Ant's, in this game?

So if Michael Jordan was 3-14 and Jud Buechler was 6-13, who would you draw up the final play for?

[LesGrossman]

And if something breaks down, we have Rubio to throw up the last-second heave? Bold strategy.

What were Ricky's %'s, compared to Ant's, in this game?

So if Michael Jordan was 3-14 and Jud Buechler was 6-13, who would you draw up the final play for?

Ah so Ant is already at MJ status. Remarkable.

Ricky actually has a couple of clutch last second makes, but i guess we can end the debate here because that analogy was so outworldly we probably just see the guys in different ways.

[shrink]

No, you run a play with "13 assists - 1 turnover" Rubio where he finds a good pass to one of our shooters (Towns, Beasley or McDaniels) or a cutting Edwards, like we'd done several times before with success.

If that means calling Rubio "our star player", that's on you.

And if something breaks down, we have Rubio to throw up the last-second heave? Bold strategy.

Throughout the game, a play could break down, yet we still put the ball in Rubio’s hands for many minutes, hoping that he can make a pass that leads to a higher percentage, easy look, for another player. And that usually happens.

I understand that it’s unorthodox, but I don’t have a problem with using Rubio at the end of games. Would you rather bank on Rubio finding that pass, or any of our current guys making a contested shot? At a minimum, putting the ball in Rubio’s hands and banking on his ability to read, would keep our other four players active, and none would be mad the final play wasn’t an isolation called specifically for them. Maybe I would feel differently if we had a star on this team could reliable get himself a good shot. Or maybe I have less confidence that Ryan will call the right play, and that the team will run it properly, than I do in Rubio’s passing.

[Calinks]

Our biggest tangible issue right now is execution. We just aren't where we need to be and it shows up in the 4th when you have to be at your best. Beasley got obliterated by several screens, Pacers pick and roll game outclassed our own, KAT had some lapses, Edwards got roasted. Sabonis was big time last night, he outplayed KAT and his team was just much better at executing their gameplan.

Ryan had some good stuff drawn up last night, that last play in regulation was a good play, KAT didn't roll, Edwards didn't attack and try to get something at the rim or pass out. That's on the players not executing.

The team is improving, we are looking like an NBA team now but we still don't have good execution down the stretch and we are going to get burned by most teams who have their ish down pat.

[PharmD]

The team is improving, we are looking like an NBA team now

This is my simple takeaway. We were sofa king bad earlier that I'm happy to just see competence even if we're not good enough to win.

[TRik]

The team is improving, we are looking like an NBA team now

This is my simple takeaway. We were sofa king bad earlier that I'm happy to just see competence even if we're not good enough to win.

100 percent. When the team plays together, shares the ball, and competes....it is absolutely considered a win for me....even if we lose. So much better than a selfishly played, empty feeling, hero ball, win.

[Shaka_Zulu]

Yeah, this is way way better games and performances we are losing with, compared to the dumpster fire of losing with 20-30 pt blowouts, or just losing big deals in 4th. Both lakers and Pacers game we were super even with them throughout.

[winforlose]

Yeah, this is way way better games and performances we are losing with, compared to the dumpster fire of losing with 20-30 pt blowouts, or just losing big deals in 4th. Both lakers and Pacers game we were super even with them throughout.

Having KAT back makes us much more competitive. We are thin at center with only Naz as a real backup. Add to that KAT spaces the floor and gives emergency out for everyone to pass too. They cannot double shooters when they need to double KAT or at least have someone ready to switch to him. Also people like Rubio seem to play better just knowing he is there (I suspect it’s because they believe they can win and thus play with more confidence and urgency.) In any event, moral victories are not victories. It would help having our injured guys back. Although if we are being candid having a real coach would be more helpful.

[Klomp]

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[WolfAddict]

And if something breaks down, we have Rubio to throw up the last-second heave? Bold strategy.

What were Ricky's %'s, compared to Ant's, in this game?

So if Michael Jordan was 3-14 and Jud Buechler was 6-13, who would you draw up the final play for?

You're normally a better poster then this mate... Even you'd have to agree that this was pretty bad comparison.

[Foye]

So in this attempt at a comparison, Rubio is our star player right now?

No, you run a play with "13 assists - 1 turnover" Rubio where he finds a good pass to one of our shooters (Towns, Beasley or McDaniels) or a cutting Edwards, like we'd done several times before with success.

If that means calling Rubio "our star player", that's on you.

And if something breaks down, we have Rubio to throw up the last-second heave? Bold strategy.

I am really flabbergasted by your lack of basketball knowledge Klomp.
You have been watching and posting about basketball for years and really think it is not a good idea to have your point guard who has played well all night run the final play just because something might break down?

All you need to win is a freaking basket and you defer to the rookie to create a contested three? Thats an inexcusable tactic deserving nothing but a loss.

[Foye]

What were Ricky's %'s, compared to Ant's, in this game?

So if Michael Jordan was 3-14 and Jud Buechler was 6-13, who would you draw up the final play for?

Ah so Ant is already at MJ status. Remarkable.

Ricky actually has a couple of clutch last second makes, but i guess we can end the debate here because that analogy was so outworldly we probably just see the guys in different ways.

Wolves rule:
Always choose the guy with the lowest +/- score to take the final shot because you might risk winning otherwise.

[LesGrossman]

So if Michael Jordan was 3-14 and Jud Buechler was 6-13, who would you draw up the final play for?

Ah so Ant is already at MJ status. Remarkable.

Ricky actually has a couple of clutch last second makes, but i guess we can end the debate here because that analogy was so outworldly we probably just see the guys in different ways.

Wolves rule:
Always choose the guy with the lowest +/- score to take the final shot because you might risk winning otherwise.

Allow me to quote myself from the Lakers game thread, because i'm so happy with the Meme :

The only explanation is that he actually tries to tank, and is afraid the starters could beat the lakers.

[winforlose]

Ah so Ant is already at MJ status. Remarkable.

Ricky actually has a couple of clutch last second makes, but i guess we can end the debate here because that analogy was so outworldly we probably just see the guys in different ways.

Wolves rule:
Always choose the guy with the lowest +/- score to take the final shot because you might risk winning otherwise.

Allow me to quote myself from the Lakers game thread, because i'm so happy with the Meme :

The only explanation is that he actually tries to tank, and is afraid the starters could beat the lakers.

Ryan Saunders wasn’t qualified to be hired as an assistant coach. Family connections are responsible for literally every NBA job he has ever had. Yet people are surprised when he fails as completely as he has/is failing. Glen Taylor is saving pennies on his contract compared to the damage he is doing to ticket sales when fans are allowed back in TC.

[Klomp]

I am really flabbergasted by your lack of basketball knowledge Klomp.
You have been watching and posting about basketball for years and really think it is not a good idea to have your point guard who has played well all night run the final play just because something might break down?

All you need to win is a freaking basket and you defer to the rookie to create a contested three? Thats an inexcusable tactic deserving nothing but a loss.

Basketball knowledge?

The fact is, no team in basketball really "draws up a play" in the final seconds like you're asking. Phil Jackson didn't. Pat Riley didn't. Ryan Saunders doesn't. It's always started by a pick and roll at the top, and whatever happens happens. People celebrate it when it goes in, but criticize it when it doesn't.

In this specific situation, the pick and roll broke down. From there, yes Edwards had to hoist a contested shot. It happens.

[Klomp]

What were Ricky's %'s, compared to Ant's, in this game?

So if Michael Jordan was 3-14 and Jud Buechler was 6-13, who would you draw up the final play for?

You're normally a better poster then this mate... Even you'd have to agree that this was pretty bad comparison.

I was not calling Edwards Jordan or Rubio Buechler. I'm just saying that going by shooting percentage in one game is not how teams should determine who takes the final shot.