Lets talk Zach Lavine

[WindyCityBorn]

Bulls with Zach as best player are not going anywhere near being contender. That is harsh truth. Best longterm for Bulls is to trade him right now when his value is at all time high and focus to position themselves better in draft loterry. If you have option to be play in team with Zach and being swept by Bucks or Phila in first round at best or to be in position to draft in top five in 2021 draft with having additional assets from Lavine's trade, what is your preffered option?

Thank God our management doesn’t think like you. Well GarPax did and that is why we sucked.

[HomoSapien]

Great thread and I come in peace from the Knicks board.

Here's my question.. why would the Bulls even consider trading a 25 year old who is finally establishing himself as a top-tier NBA player? I don't even understand why he would be available at all.

All the Bulls would be doing is trying to find 'the next Lavine' in the draft if you traded for draft picks instead of player for player swap. And if they do go for a player for player swap, who could the Bulls get that is better than Lavine?

I see this trading Lavine idea all over RealGM on other boards, not just yours and I don't get it. He's 25 and still can get a lot better.

Is this just chatter for rumors sake? Or do you guys think your front office is actually fielding offers?

We'd love to have him on the Knicks, BTW.

Thanks fellas. If you tell me to STFU and GTFO, I understand.

LaVine has been a divisive figure on this forum in part because he's not an elite defender and hasn't made the playoffs and also in part because Jimmy Butler was traded for him. Those fans, IMO, have been very slow to let their opinion of LaVine evolve. The guy is just having an outstanding season right now, and you're completely right --- guys that can do what he's doing aren't easy to find. It would be beyond stupid to actively shop him.

That said, I really don't think the Bulls are looking to trade him. He's a good guy, works hard, and stays out of trouble. He's also immensely talented. During the draft, we heard that quite a few teams had inquired about LaVine, and the Bulls turned them down. His stock has skyrocketed since then, so I think they have every intention of keeping him.

[TheStig]

Bulls with Zach as best player are not going anywhere near being contender. That is harsh truth. Best longterm for Bulls is to trade him right now when his value is at all time high and focus to position themselves better in draft loterry. If you have option to be play in team with Zach and being swept by Bucks or Phila in first round at best or to be in position to draft in top five in 2021 draft with having additional assets from Lavine's trade, what is your preffered option?

My desire to trade Lavine doesn't have anything to do with Lavine as a player. I think he's really good. But this team has little to no assets and he's keeping us just good enough not to get great picks (hello no 7!). I just can't see the Bulls being able to put together anything other than a 1st round team at it's peak with this core.

I'd rather maximize our pick in this great draft and get additional assets and picks.

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[Kukoc-Lauri]

Bulls with Zach as best player are not going anywhere near being contender. That is harsh truth. Best longterm for Bulls is to trade him right now when his value is at all time high and focus to position themselves better in draft loterry. If you have option to be play in team with Zach and being swept by Bucks or Phila in first round at best or to be in position to draft in top five in 2021 draft with having additional assets from Lavine's trade, what is your preffered option?

My desire to trade Lavine doesn't have anything to do with Lavine as a player. I think he's really good. But this team has little to no assets and he's keeping us just good enough not to get great picks (hello no 7!). I just can't see the Bulls being able to put together anything other than a 1st round team at it's peak with this core.

I'd rather maximize our pick in this great draft and get additional assets and picks.

That is excatly my point. Zach is great guy, fun,hard working but have flaws as best player. He is gonna look for max money. For me he is worth 80% of max money. From 30 nba franchise at least 20 of them have better franchise player or two. I see more potential with core Mobley,Bates,PWill if you excaute draft plans well then being lower seed with Lavine,Thagic Young and Dree Drummond, and Zach on 190 mil contract. Zach for me is cherry on top not essential piece.

[HomoSapien]

Bulls with Zach as best player are not going anywhere near being contender. That is harsh truth. Best longterm for Bulls is to trade him right now when his value is at all time high and focus to position themselves better in draft loterry. If you have option to be play in team with Zach and being swept by Bucks or Phila in first round at best or to be in position to draft in top five in 2021 draft with having additional assets from Lavine's trade, what is your preffered option?

My desire to trade Lavine doesn't have anything to do with Lavine as a player. I think he's really good. But this team has little to no assets and he's keeping us just good enough not to get great picks (hello no 7!). I just can't see the Bulls being able to put together anything other than a 1st round team at it's peak with this core.

I'd rather maximize our pick in this great draft and get additional assets and picks.

That is excatly my point. Zach is great guy, fun,hard working but have flaws as best player. He is gonna look for max money. For me he is worth 80% of max money. From 30 nba franchise at least 20 of them have better franchise player or two. I see more potential with core Mobley,Bates,PWill if you excaute draft plans well then being lower seed with Lavine,Thagic Young and Dree Drummond, and Zach on 190 mil contract. Zach for me is cherry on top not essential piece.

To think a guy averaging 29 points per game on elite shooting is worth 80% of the max is just an absurd opinion. I get having doubts that he could be the best player on a contending tem, but we're allowed to have more than one max player and he certainly seems to be talented enough to be the 2nd best player on a championship-level team. Describing him as a cherry on top piece is perplexing. He's a star.

[HomoSapien]

As has been previously stated here, the only player tied to this regime is its first draft pick, Patrick Williams. That said, the sense around the league from the people I talk to is that it would take a monumental offer to acquire LaVine from the Bulls. As in: Yes, you listen if there’s interest. But LaVine is having an incredible season. Management sees that.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/bulls-mailbag-lauri-markkanen-long-term-fit-most-underrated-bull

[madvillian]

He's checked every box this season. He's trying harder on defense and is scoring even more efficiently while also taking on playmaking duties at times. He's even doing a better job not going iso zach at the end of games.

If you find someone slightly better than him or maybe more of a two way player Chicago will become a solid year in and year out playoff team. No reason at all to trade him unless some team wants to bowl you over with a clear overpay.

[WindyCityBorn]

Bulls with Zach as best player are not going anywhere near being contender. That is harsh truth. Best longterm for Bulls is to trade him right now when his value is at all time high and focus to position themselves better in draft loterry. If you have option to be play in team with Zach and being swept by Bucks or Phila in first round at best or to be in position to draft in top five in 2021 draft with having additional assets from Lavine's trade, what is your preffered option?

My desire to trade Lavine doesn't have anything to do with Lavine as a player. I think he's really good. But this team has little to no assets and he's keeping us just good enough not to get great picks (hello no 7!). I just can't see the Bulls being able to put together anything other than a 1st round team at it's peak with this core.

I'd rather maximize our pick in this great draft and get additional assets and picks.

“ This roster will look significantly different in two to three seasons. If I had to guess, I’d say Williams, LaVine, White and one of Carter/Markkanen will still be here.”

“ That said, the sense around the league from the people I talk to is that it would take a monumental offer to acquire LaVine from the Bulls. As in: Yes, you listen if there’s interest. But LaVine is having an incredible season. Management sees that.”

Bulls mailbag. He most likely isn’t going anywhere. No tanking/complete rebuild.

[TheStig]

Bulls with Zach as best player are not going anywhere near being contender. That is harsh truth. Best longterm for Bulls is to trade him right now when his value is at all time high and focus to position themselves better in draft loterry. If you have option to be play in team with Zach and being swept by Bucks or Phila in first round at best or to be in position to draft in top five in 2021 draft with having additional assets from Lavine's trade, what is your preffered option?

My desire to trade Lavine doesn't have anything to do with Lavine as a player. I think he's really good. But this team has little to no assets and he's keeping us just good enough not to get great picks (hello no 7!). I just can't see the Bulls being able to put together anything other than a 1st round team at it's peak with this core.

I'd rather maximize our pick in this great draft and get additional assets and picks.

That is excatly my point. Zach is great guy, fun,hard working but have flaws as best player. He is gonna look for max money. For me he is worth 80% of max money. From 30 nba franchise at least 20 of them have better franchise player or two. I see more potential with core Mobley,Bates,PWill if you excaute draft plans well then being lower seed with Lavine,Thagic Young and Dree Drummond, and Zach on 190 mil contract. Zach for me is cherry on top not essential piece.

I don't have issues with his flaws. I think he could be worth the max or pretty close. It's just we have no way to build around him into anything other than a 1st round exit team. All they can do is get some older ok vets to will us into the playoffs. There is just no other talent that is worth building around right now. I'm not buying Coby, WC and Lauri. There is a reason GarPax got fired.

[TheStig]

Bulls with Zach as best player are not going anywhere near being contender. That is harsh truth. Best longterm for Bulls is to trade him right now when his value is at all time high and focus to position themselves better in draft loterry. If you have option to be play in team with Zach and being swept by Bucks or Phila in first round at best or to be in position to draft in top five in 2021 draft with having additional assets from Lavine's trade, what is your preffered option?

My desire to trade Lavine doesn't have anything to do with Lavine as a player. I think he's really good. But this team has little to no assets and he's keeping us just good enough not to get great picks (hello no 7!). I just can't see the Bulls being able to put together anything other than a 1st round team at it's peak with this core.

I'd rather maximize our pick in this great draft and get additional assets and picks.

“ This roster will look significantly different in two to three seasons. If I had to guess, I’d say Williams, LaVine, White and one of Carter/Markkanen will still be here.”

“ That said, the sense around the league from the people I talk to is that it would take a monumental offer to acquire LaVine from the Bulls. As in: Yes, you listen if there’s interest. But LaVine is having an incredible season. Management sees that.”

Bulls mailbag. He most likely isn’t going anywhere. No tanking/complete rebuild.

WCB I don't want to trade him for pennies on the dollar and the FO isn't going to say we'd like to trade him to rebuild. Like I've said, if there is a strong offer, I do it. We've seen some of those deals in the past 12 months. Can we get someone to make us a great offer for Zach? I think someone will get desperate and do it.

[MissileMike]

Zach learns slow but he does learn, and improves every season. So he might become even better than what you're paying for now.

[WindyCityBorn]

My desire to trade Lavine doesn't have anything to do with Lavine as a player. I think he's really good. But this team has little to no assets and he's keeping us just good enough not to get great picks (hello no 7!). I just can't see the Bulls being able to put together anything other than a 1st round team at it's peak with this core.

I'd rather maximize our pick in this great draft and get additional assets and picks.

“ This roster will look significantly different in two to three seasons. If I had to guess, I’d say Williams, LaVine, White and one of Carter/Markkanen will still be here.”

“ That said, the sense around the league from the people I talk to is that it would take a monumental offer to acquire LaVine from the Bulls. As in: Yes, you listen if there’s interest. But LaVine is having an incredible season. Management sees that.”

Bulls mailbag. He most likely isn’t going anywhere. No tanking/complete rebuild.

WCB I don't want to trade him for pennies on the dollar and the FO isn't going to say we'd like to trade him to rebuild. Like I've said, if there is a strong offer, I do it. We've seen some of those deals in the past 12 months. Can we get someone to make us a great offer for Zach? I think someone will get desperate and do it.

Strong and monumental offers are not the same. Monumental deals are what Houston and New Orleans got.

[RagingBull316]

Bulls with Zach as best player are not going anywhere near being contender. That is harsh truth. Best longterm for Bulls is to trade him right now when his value is at all time high and focus to position themselves better in draft loterry. If you have option to be play in team with Zach and being swept by Bucks or Phila in first round at best or to be in position to draft in top five in 2021 draft with having additional assets from Lavine's trade, what is your preffered option?

My desire to trade Lavine doesn't have anything to do with Lavine as a player. I think he's really good. But this team has little to no assets and he's keeping us just good enough not to get great picks (hello no 7!). I just can't see the Bulls being able to put together anything other than a 1st round team at it's peak with this core.

I'd rather maximize our pick in this great draft and get additional assets and picks.

This is literally the exact same thing people said about Jimmy Butler. Trading your best player for assets gets you nowhere. You can't keep doing that and expect to win a championship. Eventually you need to trade your picks to get a second star or sign one as a free agent.

You can only get a second star though if you already have one. Bulls need to get Zach another star to play with. Trading Zach gets you back to square one and it's another 6 years with young players who don't know how to win no matter what pick in the draft they are.

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[WindyCityBorn]

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I think he is gonna make it. Everything is pointing that way now.

[WindyCityBorn]

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No player below him really deserves to get in over him. Brown might have the best argument, but the Celtics are not good enough to get two reserve all-stars and Zach left out.

[WindyCityBorn]

Players 3rd
Media 5th
Fans 4th

What is left coaches?

[Chicago-Bull-E]

I would think the coaches will align closest with the players vote, which is good for Lavine.

To me it looks like he’s close to a lock.