Apparently Gary Trent Jr. declined a 4 year/53.7 mil extension

[BNM]

Undersized SG? More likely he wants to escape Dame & CJ.

Is 6'5" 209 lb undersized for a SG? Seems about average, maybe slightly above average, size for a starting SG in the Western Conference.

When the Blazers drafted him, one of the positives in his scouting report was that he already had an NBA-ready body at the age of 19.

Sorry, I meant SG/SF. When the starters play heavy minutes, there really isn't a lot of time for him. I'd probably test the waters as well.

I think POR will match any offer and then look at a consolidation trade. Its doesn't make sense to let a 22-year old starting caliber SG who is deadly from 3-point range and doesn't suck on defense walk for nothing.

The question then becomes who do they trade and for what?

[CptCrunch]

He is shot limited right now at 12.5 shots a game.

Lillard is at 20.4, CJ is at 20 shots per game.

If he gets more shot as a #2 option, his production could explode. Not saying this will be Harden OKC/HOU style, but he has untapped usage.

[John Murdoch]

didnt they learn from Allen Crabbe

[Dzon Dilindzer]

didnt they learn from Allen Crabbe

trent jr is much better than crabbe

better shooter and better defender, kid can become legit two-way player

trent jr

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[Scalabrine]

If Trent JR is undersized for a SG then about 80% of SG's in the league are undersized.

I dont think there is a single measure that says Trent is better than Harris. Not a single stat

I mean, Harris wasnt even a rotation guy until 25. GTJ is getting near 15ppg at age 22. Its not about what he is now in terms of paying him, it about what you expect him to become.

Joe Harris would have gotten more than 70M last summer if he was putting up 19/20 Joe Harris numbers but was 22 rather than 28.

Which is why I said I think he'll get paid more than the 13.5 he turned down. The main point I was making is that Harris is better than Trent right now. It's not even close to me. Maybe GTj will get better, but maybe he will plateau as an above average shooter that doesn't do much else, also Harris got overpaid because the Nets had to pay to keep him before he got to free agency. If they didn't re-sign him, then there would be no chance to get anyone else...

[Harry Garris]

I think he could be worth more than that on the open market, he is a solid player. After seeing Jermai Grant get 20 million a season I don't blame him. He's betting on himself, hopefully it pays off for him.

Jerami Grant is a 2 way player, Gary Trent is not. I like Gary but he's not getting 20 million a year. Seth Curry who is the best 3 point shooting specialist in the league is only making 8 a year for 3 years. I could see Gary Trent getting 12-13 just because he's younger and bigger so there is more theoretical defensive potential but I'd be surprised if it's any more than that.

[Harry Garris]

He is shot limited right now at 12.5 shots a game.

Lillard is at 20.4, CJ is at 20 shots per game.

If he gets more shot as a #2 option, his production could explode. Not saying this will be Harden OKC/HOU style, but he has untapped usage.

No, he's not really being limited right now, it's just that Gary Trent plays off of other guys. He's not really a shot creator. He's a catch and shoot guy not an off the dribble shooter so how many shots he gets is by necessity going to be limited to how many times a game he can get open and receive a pass.

[JRoy]

He is shot limited right now at 12.5 shots a game.

Lillard is at 20.4, CJ is at 20 shots per game.

If he gets more shot as a #2 option, his production could explode. Not saying this will be Harden OKC/HOU style, but he has untapped usage.

No, he's not really being limited right now, it's just that Gary Trent plays off of other guys. He's not really a shot creator. He's a catch and shoot guy not an off the dribble shooter so how many shots he gets is by necessity going to be limited to how many times a game he can get open and receive a pass.

That’s not really true.

He’s quite a bit better in catch and shoot, most guys are. He can shoot off the dribble, either from midrange or going to the basket he just doesn’t do it much.

He doesn’t show much ability to create for others.

[LivingLegend]

Oh boy, Shabazz Muhammad 2.0 or maybe not, who knows...

I think he is a Terry Rozier clone. A lightning scorer who can run a little hot/cold who doesnt provide a ton of defense, playmaking or rebounding.

Hes honestly perfect in his current role on the Blazers

[BNM]

Oh boy, Shabazz Muhammad 2.0 or maybe not, who knows...

I think he is a Terry Rozier clone. A lightning scorer who can run a little hot/cold who doesnt provide a ton of defense, playmaking or rebounding.

Hes honestly perfect in his current role on the Blazers

To put that in perspective, Terry Rozier, at 25-years old and 6'1" got a 3-year contract worth $18.9 million a year the summer after averaging 9.0ppg on .353 3FG% and .501 TS%.

Anyone who thinks Gary Trent, at 3-years younger, 4" taller, averaging 15.3ppg, on .447 3FG% and .585 TS% is only going to get $13 million/year is completely out of touch with reality.

There are always teams, like CHO, that are so desperate for talent, they are willing to overpay other teams RFAs in the hope of poaching them away from their current team.

That's EXACTLY what happened with Allen Crabbe, and he wasn't nearly as good, or as young, as Gary Trent Jr. The summer after averaging 10.3ppg on .393 3FG% and .572 TS%, Crabbe signed a 4-year offer sheet with BRK worth $18.5 million/year. That was 5 summers ago. Salaries have gone up since then. So again, anyone thinking Gary Trent Jr., two years younger, averaging 5 more PPG on better percentages is only getting $13 million/year in 2021 is flat out uninformed.

[Soulyss]

Trent is the guy who bets on himself, he's playing very well. He does get too much credit for his defense which is... not TERRIBLE, but not great either.

He's going to get more than what Portland offered from someone. It won't be 20/year.. but it will probably be 15-16/yr. His bet on himself will probably net him 7 to 15 million dollars. Was that worth the risk? IMO No, but I am not GTJr.

[BNM]

Trent is the guy who bets on himself, he's playing very well. He does get too much credit for his defense which is... not TERRIBLE, but not great either.

He's going to get more than what Portland offered from someone. It won't be 20/year.. but it will probably be 15-16/yr. His bet on himself will probably net him 7 to 15 million dollars. Was that worth the risk? IMO No, but I am not GTJr.

Risk is relative. At only 22, even if Trent's next contract isn't an absolute bonanza, he'd still have plenty of time to make it up over the course of his career.

Plus, I have no idea how well his dad has managed his money, but he made over $11 million in his NBA career. That's peanuts compared to current NBA salaries, but in the grand scheme of things, for Average Joe, that's like winning the lottery. It's not like Gary Trent Jr. is going to be destitute and homeless even if he never signs another NBA contract.

I like that he bet on himself. The guy is a HARD worker, and it shows. His improvement has been pretty amazing for a guy so young taken in the 2nd round. Good for him!

[Soulyss]

Trent is the guy who bets on himself, he's playing very well. He does get too much credit for his defense which is... not TERRIBLE, but not great either.

He's going to get more than what Portland offered from someone. It won't be 20/year.. but it will probably be 15-16/yr. His bet on himself will probably net him 7 to 15 million dollars. Was that worth the risk? IMO No, but I am not GTJr.

Risk is relative. At only 22, even if Trent's next contract isn't an absolute bonanza, he'd still have plenty of time to make it up over the course of his career.

Plus, I have no idea how well his dad has managed his money, but he made over $11 million in his NBA career. That's peanuts compared to current NBA salaries, but in the grand scheme of things, for Average Joe, that's like winning the lottery. It's not like Gary Trent Jr. is going to be destitute and homeless even if he never signs another NBA contract.

I like that he bet on himself. The guy is a HARD worker, and it shows. His improvement has been pretty amazing for a guy so young taken in the 2nd round. Good for him!

I suspect he's sitting on 10.8 of that 11 million LOL. He seems like the type of guy who is no-frills and cares only about ball. I guess when you look at COVID (you could have lost the season, and he would have been in contract limbo) or Injury (look at how many big injuries they have had with the limited warm-up to the season) I would have taken the 4 years, and re-entered FA in my prime. Had CJ not gone down, he might not have had the same opportunity.

[BlazersBroncos]

Worth noting that Trent's dad was a NBA player. He had the privilege to bet on himself as his family has money. It was a great gamble.

[magee]

If Trent JR is undersized for a SG then about 80% of SG's in the league are undersized.

I dont think there is a single measure that says Trent is better than Harris. Not a single stat

I mean, Harris wasnt even a rotation guy until 25. GTJ is getting near 15ppg at age 22. Its not about what he is now in terms of paying him, it about what you expect him to become.

Joe Harris would have gotten more than 70M last summer if he was putting up 19/20 Joe Harris numbers but was 22 rather than 28.

Yep, beat me to it. Joe Harris is 7.5 years older than Gary Trent. Trent just turned 22 a month ago. Joe Harris had not even played 1 minute of NBA ball at that age. Trent is still very young and improving. Joe Harris will be paid nearly $20 million at the age of 32. Trent will get paid. A lot of teams, mostly bad, will have money to throw at free agents, and Trent would be a great starting SG for an up-and-coming/rebuilding team to lock up long term.

POR has done a great job of developing guards during the Stotts era. Lillard and McCollum are the obvious examples. I was never a fan of Allen Crabbe, but he definitely outplayed his draft position. Same with Pat Connaughton and Will Barton. Like Trent, those last three were all 2nd round picks.

Now, in addition to Trent, Anfernee Simons is starting to break out. In his last 13 games, Simons is averaging 12.9 ppg off the bench on .457 3FG% on high volume (3.3 made 3FG per game). And he's even younger than Trent. C.J.'s absence has given the young guys a chance to show what they can do, and they've really come through.

The forward spots continue to be a weakness for POR, and with Nurk and Collins out, they are also weak up front. At some point, a consolidation trade would help balance the roster. I'm not sure when that will be, and what it will look like. At this point, they could even consider moving C.J. for a comparable talent at forward and move Trent permanently into the starting SG spot. Who knows, but having a surplus of guards who can shoot the ball is a luxury, especially given the age of two of them. Hopefully, they can leverage those assets to balance and improve the roster.

Simons is why I think they let him walk or try to work out a S&T for someone. They're playing him at point and I love why.

I don't see them trading CJ. If I'm Portland, as much as CJ might see it as a demotion, he should come off the bench for his first few games. He's still gonna close games, but he'll cook for the majority of the second and fourth quarters, get his rest, then close out each game.

[reamily]

[*]For dallas, Josh Richardson is as samenheight as him and better all around game than him and dfs is taller and longer and look sucked with luka what will be different with trent jr?

58 for 4 woth player option is fair as he will get the 100 million payday if he walked the talk..theres a history of allen crabbes and kent bazemores who had significant dip after getting the bag..so there should be balance of rewarding him and making him motivated than before

[HMFFL]

What?!?!?!

WTF?

He will receive more on the open market.
GM's should realize he can develops into a solid third option and can be that key piece in the future on a true championship caliber team. I would gladly prefer him on Dallas for 18m than TH Jr.

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[JRoy]

I think he could be worth more than that on the open market, he is a solid player. After seeing Jermai Grant get 20 million a season I don't blame him. He's betting on himself, hopefully it pays off for him.

Jerami Grant is a 2 way player, Gary Trent is not. I like Gary but he's not getting 20 million a year. Seth Curry who is the best 3 point shooting specialist in the league is only making 8 a year for 3 years. I could see Gary Trent getting 12-13 just because he's younger and bigger so there is more theoretical defensive potential but I'd be surprised if it's any more than that.

I expect offers to be in the $15-18 million/year.

Equivalent to Malik Beasley without the drama.

[monopoman]

Trent is easily an above average defender at his position, especially when you look around the league and can point to so many players that lack heavily on that end.

I also think he will grow more into that role as time goes on, he has solid BBIQ and he just turned 22 years old last month. Anyways pairing his very impressive scoring with above average defense is all you need to be a high paid role player. I also think other teams will look at him as having more potential than that if given more shots and a bigger role.

As a set 2nd or 3rd option on a team I think he could produce far more offensively.