Official Trade Thread -- Part XL

[nate33]

I guess for those who want to do the exercise here are the teams supposedly in contention:



Don't know how reliable the source is but here's the link.

https://itsgame7.com/5-teams-besides-wizards-bradley-beal-reportedly-wants-to-play-for/

I mean, NOP is really the only team that can pay the purported price, right?

Would they part with Hayes/Lewis (would we want either?) plus their 2021 and some of the Lakers' future 1sts?

Beal would be a magnificent fit with Zion, and I think they'd vault right into a legit contender, despite their early struggles this season.

Read your own post.

I think they'd vault right into a legit contender, despite their early struggles this season

How much could NOP give up and still be a contender? Hayes doesn't start. Lewis barely gets burn. More so, as you move into being a contender you want to streamline your salary cap. Because money gets tight. Plus those players could be easily replaced. If I'm the Pelicans, I'd give up anyone/anything outside of Ingram and Williamson. I'd put a cap on the total number of assets, but there' is no player outside of those two players that I would not think about trading.

A reasonable New Orleans deal would be:

Bledsoe
Hart
Hayes
NOP 2021 1st
NOP 2022 1st
NOP 2023 1st
NOP 2024 1st

for

Beal
Gill
Winston

[DCZards]

A reasonable New Orleans deal would be:

Bledsoe
Hart
Hayes
NOP 2021 1st
NOP 2022 1st
NOP 2023 1st
NOP 2024 1st

for

Beal
Gill
Winston

You think that’s reasonable? I don’t. If I’m the Pels no way am I giving up my next 4 first round picks for Beal. And you know how much I love BB.

You might get two first round picks—maybe three—but not four.

[nate33]

A reasonable New Orleans deal would be:

Bledsoe
Hart
Hayes
NOP 2021 1st
NOP 2022 1st
NOP 2023 1st
NOP 2024 1st

for

Beal
Gill
Winston

You think that’s reasonable? I don’t. If I’m the Pels no way am I giving up my next 4 first round picks for Beal. And you know how much I love BB.

You might get two first round picks—maybe three—but not four.

A team with Beal, Ingram and Zion is going to be a playoff team. Those picks are in the 20's. They're not that valuable, except maybe the 2021 one, which could still be late lotto. We are also taking on Bledsoe's rather negative value contract.

[NatP4]

That’s a lot of mediocre assets.

[Ruzious]

I'm kidding but I'm not kidding: The strategy to keep our record poor for the lottery should be to trade Bertans soon; not Beal. Keep Beal to attract Ujiri, and let him trade Beal. Bertans is becoming an anti-tank missile.

[nate33]

I'm kidding but I'm not kidding: The strategy to keep our record poor for the lottery should be to trade Bertans soon; not Beal. Keep Beal to attract Ujiri, and let him trade Beal. Bertans is becoming an anti-tank missile.

Yes. This.

I really think Boston would jump on this opportunity. They are in DIRE need of shooting and forwards. They've got NOTHING when Brown and Tatum go to the bench. They have the TPE and plenty of future picks available.

Trade Bertans for their 2021 lotto protected 1st.

An additional benefit is that it we would slide Avdija to PF for the 16 non-Rui minutes, freeing up more time at SF for one of Brown or Bonga to regain their rhythm and rebuild their trade value. Maybe we could trade one of them by the Deadline for a high 2nd round pick (or maybe they play well enough that we don't want to).

[pcbothwel]

That’s a lot of mediocre assets.

Yeah. Beal, Zion, and Ingram as the offensive engine with Ball, Adams, and Bledsoe focusing on the other stuff (Defense, rebounding, etc.) makes NOP a legit playoff team. That 2021 pick might be in the 13-15 range, but those subsequent picks will be in the 21-25 range.
What about his wild card.
Beal & Bertans for Ingram, Ball, Hayes, 2021 pick, 2023 pick (Top 10 protected, top 3 protected 2024, unprotected 2025)

[payitforward]

Yeah! Lets turn Robin Lopez into one of Chris Duarte/Miles McBride/Joel Ayayi/Ayo Dosunmu

Anyone not named Avdija, Beal, Bonga, or Mathews can be acquired with a 2nd round draft pick as far as I’m concerned.

I wouldn't trade rui for a second he's gotten so much better this year. He's coming along. I can see him as one of those late bloomers that get really good in year 5 or 6.

Agreed. Would be a mistake to trade Rui for a second round pick. I'd also give Brown some PT before I trade him for a 2nd round pick. I still believe Troy has a ton of potential.

While I've been one of his biggest fans and advocates, I'd probably trade Bonga for a 2nd round pick at this point.

Why would we trade Rui for a R2 pick? Or Brown? I also don't see Bonga for a R2 pick either.

Tho I'd rather give the Knicks Lopez, for them it might make sense to ask for Wagner in return for a R2 pick. They'd have to talk w/ this agent of course -- so as to have a deal orchestrated for next year.

[payitforward]

I'm kidding but I'm not kidding: The strategy to keep our record poor for the lottery should be to trade Bertans soon; not Beal. Keep Beal to attract Ujiri, and let him trade Beal. Bertans is becoming an anti-tank missile.

Yes. This.

I really think Boston would jump on this opportunity. They are in DIRE need of shooting and forwards. They've got NOTHING when Brown and Tatum go to the bench. They have the TPE and plenty of future picks available.

Trade Bertans for their 2021 lotto protected 1st. ....

Yes 100 times!

[Dat2U]

A reasonable New Orleans deal would be:

Bledsoe
Hart
Hayes
NOP 2021 1st
NOP 2022 1st
NOP 2023 1st
NOP 2024 1st

for

Beal
Gill
Winston

You think that’s reasonable? I don’t. If I’m the Pels no way am I giving up my next 4 first round picks for Beal. And you know how much I love BB.

You might get two first round picks—maybe three—but not four.

Then its a very poor offer. I think you may value those projected late 1sts alot more than most. I'd rather I have one top 3 pick than 4 picks in 20s.

[NatP4]

I'm kidding but I'm not kidding: The strategy to keep our record poor for the lottery should be to trade Bertans soon; not Beal. Keep Beal to attract Ujiri, and let him trade Beal. Bertans is becoming an anti-tank missile.

Yes. This.

I really think Boston would jump on this opportunity. They are in DIRE need of shooting and forwards. They've got NOTHING when Brown and Tatum go to the bench. They have the TPE and plenty of future picks available.

Trade Bertans for their 2021 lotto protected 1st.

An additional benefit is that it we would slide Avdija to PF for the 16 non-Rui minutes, freeing up more time at SF for one of Brown or Bonga to regain their rhythm and rebuild their trade value. Maybe we could trade one of them by the Deadline for a high 2nd round pick (or maybe they play well enough that we don't want to).

Wait, didn’t I propose this exact trade stating that Bertans would play his trade value back up, and you completely shot it down saying that we would be lucky to get a future 2nd for him?

[gambitx777]

Naw that's not good enough
It would need to be
Ball, NAW, hayes, reddick, and the wiz second rounder 2021 back 2021 and 2023 first from NO that lakers 2024 pick which is extra value because it has a re roll clause on it (meaning they can decline it and take their 2025 pick instead.) And the bucks 2025 pick. For beal robinson and gill.

You might even push for that 2027 bucks pick. They have the picks and beal is really the only star any where close to being on the market and he's a game changer in even the east creating a big 3 in NO.

I mean, NOP is really the only team that can pay the purported price, right?

Would they part with Hayes/Lewis (would we want either?) plus their 2021 and some of the Lakers' future 1sts?

Beal would be a magnificent fit with Zion, and I think they'd vault right into a legit contender, despite their early struggles this season.

Read your own post.

I think they'd vault right into a legit contender, despite their early struggles this season

How much could NOP give up and still be a contender? Hayes doesn't start. Lewis barely gets burn. More so, as you move into being a contender you want to streamline your salary cap. Because money gets tight. Plus those players could be easily replaced. If I'm the Pelicans, I'd give up anyone/anything outside of Ingram and Williamson. I'd put a cap on the total number of assets, but there' is no player outside of those two players that I would not think about trading.

A reasonable New Orleans deal would be:

Bledsoe
Hart
Hayes
NOP 2021 1st
NOP 2022 1st
NOP 2023 1st
NOP 2024 1st

for

Beal
Gill
Winston

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[gambitx777]

So I would like to say told you so lol every one's saying that Bertans has trade value now after two good games lol

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[prime1time]

Naw that's not good enough
It would need to be
Ball, SGA, hayes, reddick, and the wiz second rounder 2021 back 2021 and 2023 first from NO that lakers 2024 pick which is extra value because it has a re roll clause on it (meaning they can decline it and take their 2025 pick instead.) And the bucks 2025 pick. For beal robinson and gill.

You might even push for that 2027 bucks pick. They have the picks and beal is really the only star any where close to being on the market and he's a game changer in even the east creating a big 3 in NO.

Read your own post.

How much could NOP give up and still be a contender? Hayes doesn't start. Lewis barely gets burn. More so, as you move into being a contender you want to streamline your salary cap. Because money gets tight. Plus those players could be easily replaced. If I'm the Pelicans, I'd give up anyone/anything outside of Ingram and Williamson. I'd put a cap on the total number of assets, but there' is no player outside of those two players that I would not think about trading.

A reasonable New Orleans deal would be:

Bledsoe
Hart
Hayes
NOP 2021 1st
NOP 2022 1st
NOP 2023 1st
NOP 2024 1st

for

Beal
Gill
Winston

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SGA?

[gambitx777]

Nickel alexander walker lol I wrote NAW and it auto corrected my bad

Naw that's not good enough
It would need to be
Ball, SGA, hayes, reddick, and the wiz second rounder 2021 back 2021 and 2023 first from NO that lakers 2024 pick which is extra value because it has a re roll clause on it (meaning they can decline it and take their 2025 pick instead.) And the bucks 2025 pick. For beal robinson and gill.

You might even push for that 2027 bucks pick. They have the picks and beal is really the only star any where close to being on the market and he's a game changer in even the east creating a big 3 in NO.

A reasonable New Orleans deal would be:

Bledsoe
Hart
Hayes
NOP 2021 1st
NOP 2022 1st
NOP 2023 1st
NOP 2024 1st

for

Beal
Gill
Winston

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SGA?

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[WallStar]

A reasonable New Orleans deal would be:

Bledsoe
Hart
Hayes
NOP 2021 1st
NOP 2022 1st
NOP 2023 1st
NOP 2024 1st

for

Beal
Gill
Winston

You think that’s reasonable? I don’t. If I’m the Pels no way am I giving up my next 4 first round picks for Beal. And you know how much I love BB.

You might get two first round picks—maybe three—but not four.

Then its a very poor offer. I think you may value those projected late 1sts alot more than most. I'd rather I have one top 3 pick than 4 picks in 20s.

I agree, I only make a deal involving Beal once I know the draft position. He's not a player you give up for unknown/protected picks.

[nate33]

I'm kidding but I'm not kidding: The strategy to keep our record poor for the lottery should be to trade Bertans soon; not Beal. Keep Beal to attract Ujiri, and let him trade Beal. Bertans is becoming an anti-tank missile.

Yes. This.

I really think Boston would jump on this opportunity. They are in DIRE need of shooting and forwards. They've got NOTHING when Brown and Tatum go to the bench. They have the TPE and plenty of future picks available.

Trade Bertans for their 2021 lotto protected 1st.

An additional benefit is that it we would slide Avdija to PF for the 16 non-Rui minutes, freeing up more time at SF for one of Brown or Bonga to regain their rhythm and rebuild their trade value. Maybe we could trade one of them by the Deadline for a high 2nd round pick (or maybe they play well enough that we don't want to).

Wait, didn’t I propose this exact trade stating that Bertans would play his trade value back up, and you completely shot it down saying that we would be lucky to get a future 2nd for him?

Not me. I've said all along that Bertans slump was temporary due to the conditioning issues and that he'll get his trade value back up. I didn't think it would take just 2 games for him to restore his season averages to respectability though. It's not every day you see a guy go 14 of 17 from 3-point range over 2 games.

[pcbothwel]

I'm kidding but I'm not kidding: The strategy to keep our record poor for the lottery should be to trade Bertans soon; not Beal. Keep Beal to attract Ujiri, and let him trade Beal. Bertans is becoming an anti-tank missile.

Yes. This.

I really think Boston would jump on this opportunity. They are in DIRE need of shooting and forwards. They've got NOTHING when Brown and Tatum go to the bench. They have the TPE and plenty of future picks available.

Trade Bertans for their 2021 lotto protected 1st.

An additional benefit is that it we would slide Avdija to PF for the 16 non-Rui minutes, freeing up more time at SF for one of Brown or Bonga to regain their rhythm and rebuild their trade value. Maybe we could trade one of them by the Deadline for a high 2nd round pick (or maybe they play well enough that we don't want to).

I’d try to send them an additional filler salary too (Ish or Robinson) so that our TPE would be 20M+. Gives us a ton of flexibility and I think Beal could be sold on the idea that we could turn that that into something by the next deadline.
Look at the guys making 16-20m next year that might be available from sellers:
FVV, Isaac, Anunoby, Jerami Grant, etc.

[PaulinVA]

"Celtics GM Danny Ainge questions roster, escalates trade rumors"

"...If Ainge does pull off a trade, it’s highly unlikely to be minor."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/celtics-gm-danny-ainge-questions-roster-escalates-trade-rumors/ar-BB1dO9OI?ocid=msedgntp

[Shoe]

We are 1.5 seasons into Rui's career and people are already making absolute statements about the caliber player he can be.

67 games, not even a full season. He's 40th in free throw attempts per game and 33rd in free throw rate. His upside at drawing fouls is there.