Should we replace Bud now ? (58 season games remaining)

[LuessiT]

Who's there available to replace him?

That's the thing for me. Who's available and a clear upgrade?

[RiotPunch]

Who's there available to replace him?

That's the thing for me. Who's available and a clear upgrade?

Has to be Darvin as interim. He's a player's coach that could at least get the guys playing more inspired ball again. Probably way more open to doing different things than Bud.

Not an upgrade, but the guys would play hard for Darvin. Let Masai figure out the next hire.

[TD75]

Lately I was thinking how much losing Taylor Jenkins to Memphis affected the knowledge/competence level in the coaching staff. I have no idea, just a thought based on the really good job Jenkins has done in Memphis.

[humanrefutation]

Maybe Taylor Jenkins would want to come back?

[RiotPunch]

Lately I was thinking how much losing Taylor Jenkins to Memphis affected the knowledge/competence level in the coaching staff. I have no idea, just a thought based on the really good job Jenkins has done in Memphis.

Jenkins kept Bud organized. Losing him was huge.

[AreBe]

Consider this Toronto based and thus possibly objective analysis from the Toronto Sun:
ABOUT THOSE BUCKS

Having lost four in a row, the Bucks are taking it on the chin these days on social media with calls for a change behind the bench or even at centre where Brook Lopez seems to be getting a lot of the backlash.

What the fanbase doesn’t seem to understand though is that the Bucks are in the midst of a defensive change of identity that, if successful, is going to help them significantly come playoff time.

Until just recently, Bucks head coach Mike Budenholzer had been a coach who preferred to limit switching on defence as opponents would hunt down the desired matchup they wanted and once achieved would go to work on that advantage. Recently though the Bucks have been following the trend set by teams like the Raptors who switch matchups mid possession to get back to a more desired defending position.
https://torontosun.com/sports/basketball/nba/toronto-raptors/return-of-og-and-a-new-effective-starting-five-bodes-well-for-raps

This could all be a good thing- be a championship-type team and work on things in the regular season. Treat the regular season as a training camp for the playoffs, when the ball moves faster, every possession counts, and the other team's coaches are picking their poison and taking away your number 1 thing.

Now, and not the playoffs, is the time to figure out switching on defense.
Now, and not the playoffs, is the time to figure out plans B, C, and D because Plan A will be taken away, as you know, in the playoffs.

[Pachinko_]

Serious question:
Why is it that NBA thinks that Europeans are good enough to play, but not good enough to coach? Even though you can see every second NBA coach is stealing plays from Euroleague.

There's a couple dozen coaches in Europe who would run rings around the Buds of this world, you just may (or may not) need a translator.

[Swingman72]

Bud should have been fired after the debacle last post season. He's another " can't change my system Mike Mccarthy" and adapt to the changing NBA. Giannis's talent is being wasted here while Bud has the same clueless Mike Mccarthy look along the sidelines each game as the Bucks get their asses handed to them.

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[TD75]

Serious question:
Why is it that NBA thinks that Europeans are good enough to play, but not good enough to coach? Even though you can see every second NBA coach is stealing plays from Euroleague.

There's a couple dozen coaches in Europe who would run rings around the Buds of this world, you just may (or may not) need a translator.

Absolutely agree here. Unfortunately the only coach most people know here is Obradovic and he is VERY unlikely to come to the NBA to coach, while there are many other coaches that very noteworthy.

Europe is (and has been) years ahead the NBA in terms of innovation in coaching but I am certain many might question this fact.

[Pachinko_]

Absolutely agree here. Unfortunately the only coach most people know here is Obradovic and he is VERY unlikely to come to the NBA to coach, while there are many other coaches that very noteworthy.

Europe is (and has been) years ahead the NBA in terms of innovation in coaching but I am certain many might question this fact.

I think it'll be the same story as with the players, some NBA team will make a start eventually, then slowly other teams will get used to the idea, and then there will be a downpour or coaches from Europe.
That's a trend it will pay to be ahead of I reckon.

Obradovic is probably a bad idea anyway... he's pretty extreme even by Euro standards.
Pop had the right idea of bringing in a mellow and well spoken personality like Messina, but then he forgot to retire LOL

[humanrefutation]

Serious question:
Why is it that NBA thinks that Europeans are good enough to play, but not good enough to coach? Even though you can see every second NBA coach is stealing plays from Euroleague.

There's a couple dozen coaches in Europe who would run rings around the Buds of this world, you just may (or may not) need a translator.

I don't think it's just about the language barrier. There's also a huge cultural gap that European coaches have to navigate with working with NBA players. That man management is essential to knowing how to get the most out of your players. That's especially the case in a superstar driven league where if you don't get buy in from the LeBrons of the sport, you might as well pack your bags.

I'm not saying that there aren't any Euro coaches who can it well here. But I imagine that's part of the reason why you don't see more making the leap.

I do think you'll see more making that leap over the next decade or so. European soccer is a reasonable analogue, where you can have Portuguese and Spanish and German and French and Italian managers winning big in the English Premier League. My guess is that it'll take one making the leap and doing it well, and the floodgates will open.

[TD75]

Serious question:
Why is it that NBA thinks that Europeans are good enough to play, but not good enough to coach? Even though you can see every second NBA coach is stealing plays from Euroleague.

There's a couple dozen coaches in Europe who would run rings around the Buds of this world, you just may (or may not) need a translator.

I don't think it's just about the language barrier. There's also a huge cultural gap that European coaches have to navigate with working with NBA players. That man management is essential to knowing how to get the most out of your players. That's especially the case in a superstar driven league where if you don't get buy in from the LeBrons of the sport, you might as well pack your bags.

I'm not saying that there aren't any Euro coaches who can it well here. But I imagine that's part of the reason why you don't see more making the leap.

I do think you'll see more making that leap over the next decade or so. European soccer is a reasonable analogue, where you can have Portuguese and Spanish and German and French and Italian managers winning big in the English Premier League. My guess is that it'll take one making the leap and doing it well, and the floodgates will open.

The Bucks are uniquely positioned to hire an elite European coach given that their superstar will be familiar with this coaching culture.

LeBron does not need an elite coach to win. Giannis does.

[Pachinko_]

I don't think it's just about the language barrier. There's also a huge cultural gap that European coaches have to navigate with working with NBA players. That man management is essential to knowing how to get the most out of your players. That's especially the case in a superstar driven league where if you don't get buy in from the LeBrons of the sport, you might as well pack your bags.

Maybe.
Or maybe the NBA needs to navigate the fact that at some point, to get the best out of your team, you have to simply tell your players what to do and they have to do it. This competition which coach is gonna kiss the superstar's ass better is just a bad culture that the NBA has. It's why all those mediocre leaches that are "in the circle of trust" survive and get coaching jobs in the NBA.

I get it that some of it is objectively unchangeable, I mean you can only tell so much to a $50m pa guy what to do, and you certainly can't do it to Lebron, but maybe bringing in a few coaches who are used to doing it might be just what is needed to start changing this toxic BS little by little.

Before you dismiss it remember that a) soccer coaches do it all the time with even bigger names than Lebron and b) there are some guys who actually want to be told how to play rather than have to figure it out themselves, and I can guarantee you that one of them is Giannis.

Talking about Giannis, the way we're going pretty soon half the league will be international players anyway. And they're used to being coached.

[Plossum]

It’s a difficult one. Bud is a good coach but he doesn’t seem good enough to get a team over the line. I suspect it’s a mixture of his style and perhaps not quite have the right cattle when it mattered most.

If we did do it, it’ll be difficult for the new guy to come in and right the ship. It seems more likely by the game this will be a lost season.

So I suspect the brass will let Bud ride out this season and then make a call. Especially now Giannis is locked up long term.

[Packbuckman]

Hell yes!!!
Let Ham coach the team the rest of the year and see how he does.

[mediocrityrules]

Can we stop calling him coach Bud. From now on he shall forever be known as coach Bu. It's an understatement to say that the D is silent!

[Dick Tate]

If this poll had a “Yes, after the first five game losing streak”, that’s the option I would’ve picked.

It’s hard to believe they are only two games up on the 9th seed in the loss column. If they lose to lame OKC twice in the same week tonight, this thread will explode.

[crkone]

Can we stop calling him coach Bud. From now on he shall forever be known as coach Bu. It's an understatement to say that the D is silent!

This joke wasn't funny in the Kid era.

[mediocrityrules]

Can we stop calling him coach Bud. From now on he shall forever be known as coach Bu. It's an understatement to say that the D is silent!

This joke wasn't funny in the Kid era.

For those in the know, we pronounce it just like Majin Buu.

[AreBe]

Serious question:
Why is it that NBA thinks that Europeans are good enough to play, but not good enough to coach? Even though you can see every second NBA coach is stealing plays from Euroleague.

There's a couple dozen coaches in Europe who would run rings around the Buds of this world, you just may (or may not) need a translator.

Nick Nurse cut his coaching teeth riding busses in Europe:
Nurse later spent 11 seasons coaching in Europe, mostly in the British Basketball League (BBL).[5] During that time, he won two BBL championships as a head coach, one with the Birmingham Bullets in 1996 and one with the Manchester Giants in 2000, while also helping London Towers in the Euroleague.[6] Nurse also won the BBL Coach of the Year Award in the 1999–2000 and 2003–04 seasons.[7] He also coached for the Telindus Oostende of the Ethias League in 1998, as well as became an assistant coach for the Oklahoma Storm of the United States Basketball League in both 2001 and 2005. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Nurse