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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#601 » by VFX » Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:50 am

I’ve been hearing Beal trade ideas for years. Stop.

There is no collection of assets that equals Beal on this roster.

And if you actually believe that, ask yourself the question “can another team offer more?” ...the answer is yes.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#602 » by SD2042 » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:13 am

MasterGMer wrote:Will you do this trade:
Orlando: Bamba, AG, 2022 FRP
Wizard: Bradley Beal

We still have our this year's FRP and Beal has 3 years left on his contract. That gives us a Super star with Vuc and hopefully make the playoff and go deep into the playoff



You will have to add at least three future picks and two more for pick swaps. This team in it's current position has no business trading for Bradley Beal at anytime.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#603 » by tiderulz » Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:42 pm

SD2042 wrote:
MasterGMer wrote:Will you do this trade:
Orlando: Bamba, AG, 2022 FRP
Wizard: Bradley Beal

We still have our this year's FRP and Beal has 3 years left on his contract. That gives us a Super star with Vuc and hopefully make the playoff and go deep into the playoff



You will have to add at least three future picks and two more for pick swaps. This team in it's current position has no business trading for Bradley Beal at anytime.

5 FRP is a bit much for Beal. not like he has done a whole lot on his own. very good scorer, but he hasnt carried his team to anything that deserves so many picks.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#604 » by Skybox » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:28 pm

Celtics are very good, legit contenders BUT struggling. They could be good trade partners based on timelines, TPE's, win-now priority vs. future, etc.

Most of the posters on trade boards are mini-Ainge's weighing the luxury tax, etc heavily in their decisions and pumping the brakes over any risk. But even Ainge himself has more than hinted that changes may be coming soon. I would think any of Gordon, Fournier, TRoss, even perhaps Bamba, could be useful to them in their respective roles as they pursue a ring. Vuc would be great but I don't think a fair trade can be made considering what's off the table and his salary. On the other side, I'd say Tatum, Brown, and Smart are untouchable and Kemba may be untradeable due to his knee and contract. None of their vets interest me for us. They have their picks and a handful of TPE's including one huge one from Hayward.

I like Nesmith, I like freeing up money, I'd consider Langford, Grant Williams is interesting, and I'd like picks. I'm not seeing a life-changing deal here, just an opportunity to offload some money and swap out a redundant AG for a prospect and a pick. (I'd much rather see a huge multi-player impact deal, but they may not appear). Our biggest move SHOULD be in the draft, but we could do some shuffling as well.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#605 » by SD2042 » Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:14 pm

tiderulz wrote:
SD2042 wrote:
MasterGMer wrote:Will you do this trade:
Orlando: Bamba, AG, 2022 FRP
Wizard: Bradley Beal

We still have our this year's FRP and Beal has 3 years left on his contract. That gives us a Super star with Vuc and hopefully make the playoff and go deep into the playoff



You will have to add at least three future picks and two more for pick swaps. This team in it's current position has no business trading for Bradley Beal at anytime.

5 FRP is a bit much for Beal. not like he has done a whole lot on his own. very good scorer, but he hasnt carried his team to anything that deserves so many picks.



I would normally agree in this case. I'm based the trade off the trade market of the way superstars or all-stars in demand seen to develop a trade pattern to where multiple picks would need to be involve to gain their services. Which is one of the reasons given where the Magic currently sit in the rankings, have no business of being in an arms races for Bradley Beal.

IIf anything, they need to acquire assets for the future, like how OKC or NOLA has done. That's the path the Magic need to take. This currrent team as rank is a hot garbage take at this point. It's time to clear the air and clean house.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#606 » by basketballRob » Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:17 pm

Lakers apparently want Bamba. Maybe THT for Bamba. Then we could watch Mo be a starter on a championship team.

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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#608 » by basketballRob » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:14 pm

MagicMatic wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y89bnpua
Not sure they'd want another center.

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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#609 » by basketballRob » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:01 pm

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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#610 » by VFX » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:06 pm

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No one on their roster matches salary.

Also, THT is the only player that would make sense 1:1 and he’s Klutch/ Lebrons guy, so doubtful. Nobody else makes sense for Orlando.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#611 » by basketballRob » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:13 pm

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No one on their roster matches salary.

Also, THT is the only player that would make sense 1:1 and he’s Klutch/ Lebrons guy, so doubtful. Nobody else makes sense for Orlando.
I'm sure Lebron would get over it. They could throw us some cash too.

I think Mo would really do well there. Let's be honest, Cliff will never play Mo when everyone is healthy. No team is going to trade for Birch or Vuc either.

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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#612 » by VFX » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:15 pm

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No one on their roster matches salary.

Also, THT is the only player that would make sense 1:1 and he’s Klutch/ Lebrons guy, so doubtful. Nobody else makes sense for Orlando.
I'm sure Lebron would get over it. They could throw us some cash too.

I think Mo would really do well there. Let's be honest, Cliff will never play Mo when everyone is healthy. No team is going to trade for Birch or Vuc either.

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Also, is this FO going to make that trade knowing they literally gave them THT for cash 2 years ago :lol:

What a **** joke.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#613 » by sChOlaRlY_Magi » Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:29 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
No one on their roster matches salary.

Also, THT is the only player that would make sense 1:1 and he’s Klutch/ Lebrons guy, so doubtful. Nobody else makes sense for Orlando.
I'm sure Lebron would get over it. They could throw us some cash too.

I think Mo would really do well there. Let's be honest, Cliff will never play Mo when everyone is healthy. No team is going to trade for Birch or Vuc either.

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Also, is this FO going to make that trade knowing they literally gave them THT for cash 2 years ago :lol:

What a **** joke.


And 3 straight lottery centers given to the Lakers by their farm team.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#614 » by Skin » Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:00 pm

Knicks also interested in Bamba.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/17/knicks-cloudy-future-at-center-could-include-mo-bamba/

Why nobody interested in Vuc for years and years???
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#615 » by VFX » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:03 pm

Skin wrote:Knicks also interested in Bamba.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/17/knicks-cloudy-future-at-center-could-include-mo-bamba/

Why nobody interested in Vuc for years and years???


It’s all because they know Magic botched Bamba and know he has more value than what he’s displayed in Orlando under Clifford.

Not surprising considering the Magic is a farm team for legitimate organizations that know how to develop talent and care about planning for the future.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#616 » by zaymon » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:23 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
Skin wrote:Knicks also interested in Bamba.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/17/knicks-cloudy-future-at-center-could-include-mo-bamba/

Why nobody interested in Vuc for years and years???


It’s all because they know Magic botched Bamba and know he has more value than what he’s displayed in Orlando under Clifford.

Not surprising considering the Magic is a farm team for legitimate organizations that know how to develop talent and care about planning for the future.

Like Knicks and Lakers ?
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#617 » by The Effect » Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:02 pm

Skin wrote:Knicks also interested in Bamba.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/17/knicks-cloudy-future-at-center-could-include-mo-bamba/

Why nobody interested in Vuc for years and years???

Consider they need a center, and we need wing help, wonder if a bamba for knox trade would work for both teams?
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#618 » by VFX » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:09 am

zaymon wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Skin wrote:Knicks also interested in Bamba.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/17/knicks-cloudy-future-at-center-could-include-mo-bamba/

Why nobody interested in Vuc for years and years???


It’s all because they know Magic botched Bamba and know he has more value than what he’s displayed in Orlando under Clifford.

Not surprising considering the Magic is a farm team for legitimate organizations that know how to develop talent and care about planning for the future.

Like Knicks and Lakers ?


Mitchell Robinson, RJ Barrett, Caruso, and THT. Which of those players are worse examples of development compared to Bamba?

Knox and Ntilikina were misses, but that should tell you something if even they believe Bamba isn’t being utilized well.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#619 » by pepe1991 » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:41 am

MagicMatic wrote:
zaymon wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
It’s all because they know Magic botched Bamba and know he has more value than what he’s displayed in Orlando under Clifford.

Not surprising considering the Magic is a farm team for legitimate organizations that know how to develop talent and care about planning for the future.

Like Knicks and Lakers ?


Mitchell Robinson, RJ Barrett, Caruso, and THT. Which of those players are worse examples of development compared to Bamba?

Knox and Ntilikina were misses, but that should tell you something if even they believe Bamba isn’t being utilized well.


This is just bad narrative that fans push.
Non of them was ever "developed" by teams.

Mitchell Robinson in rookie year had 19 points, 21 rebounds game.
3 weeks into his nba career he had 9 blocks in single game.

RJ Barrett in his first NBA game of his entire career, first game as pro in life, scored 21 points and had 5 rebounds, 2 assists. In his 3rd game he had 26 points, in his 4th game he had 19 points, 15 rebounds and 5 assists.

Difference between Bamba and any other sucessful player is simply level of talent.
For same reasons Bucks "developed " Giannis, but on same team Jabari Parker and Thon Maker, with same coaches failed.

But it's probably easier for fans to find fall -man, than accept player they previouslly hoped will change tragjectory of their favorite team is simply bum.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#620 » by VFX » Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:44 am

pepe1991 wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
zaymon wrote:Like Knicks and Lakers ?


Mitchell Robinson, RJ Barrett, Caruso, and THT. Which of those players are worse examples of development compared to Bamba?

Knox and Ntilikina were misses, but that should tell you something if even they believe Bamba isn’t being utilized well.


This is just bad narrative that fans push.
Non of them was ever "developed" by teams.

Mitchell Robinson in rookie year had 19 points, 21 rebounds game.
3 weeks into his nba career he had 9 blocks in single game.

RJ Barrett in his first NBA game of his entire career, first game as pro in life, scored 21 points and had 5 rebounds, 2 assists. In his 3rd game he had 26 points, in his 4th game he had 19 points, 15 rebounds and 5 assists.

Difference between Bamba and any other sucessful player is simply level of talent.
For same reasons Bucks "developed " Giannis, but on same team Jabari Parker and Thon Maker, with same coaches failed.

But it's probably easier for fans to find fall -man, than accept player they previouslly hoped will change tragjectory of their favorite team is simply bum.


Pick #s aside, other organizations do more with less.

When is the last time Orlando drafted someone that greatly exceeded expectations in the last first/ 2nd round?

We’re seriously talking about trading the #6 draft pick, a few years removed, for the 46th pick that we gave away for cash...

At some point you have to ask yourself if Orlando is either terrible at evaluating talent, developing players, or both.

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