Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

[youngcrev]

Just peeking at Daryl Morey's trade history.

Outside of a few random situations, he basically makes trades on draft day, on deadline day, and during the off-season.

It's like a pattern. He rarely trades outside of the draft and deadline, and significant moves aren't made during the season if it isn't the deadline.

So that is something to note I think. We shouldn't expect any movement until the deadline.

But his comments about championship or bust make me think that if he doesn't make any moves, then he probably thinks this roster truly has the chance to win it all, as currently constructed.

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I think mandates to stay (or get) under the tax limited him somewhat on that front. I don't think he's shy about making roster changes midseason. We almost saw a major one this year with Harden. He did the Capella/Covington thing last year. A while back he did Alston for Lowry. I'm sure there's others (we ended up getting Ennis for free due to them needing to get under the tax)

[sixers4real]

Morey and Doc are about putting pressure on our best players, and rightfully so.
They are talented. They are maxed or almost maxed.

Previous GMs and BB were not doing that. I love what I hear from Doc and Morey.
Simmons and Embiid have all the talent in the world. Harris is payed big. Go prove it.

[51X3RF4N]

Just peeking at Daryl Morey's trade history.

Outside of a few random situations, he basically makes trades on draft day, on deadline day, and during the off-season.

It's like a pattern. He rarely trades outside of the draft and deadline, and significant moves aren't made during the season if it isn't the deadline.

So that is something to note I think. We shouldn't expect any movement until the deadline.

But his comments about championship or bust make me think that if he doesn't make any moves, then he probably thinks this roster truly has the chance to win it all, as currently constructed.

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I think mandates to stay (or get) under the tax limited him somewhat on that front. I don't think he's shy about making roster changes midseason. We almost saw a major one this year with Harden. He did the Capella/Covington thing last year. A while back he did Alston for Lowry. I'm sure there's others (we ended up getting Ennis for free due to them needing to get under the tax)

The Harden thing would have been a major rarity but also Harden being available was a major rarity.

The other 3 deals you mentioned occurred within 24 hours of the deadline those years. So, that's my point. I don't see him making any moves until basically the day before, or the day of the deadline.

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[youngcrev]

Just peeking at Daryl Morey's trade history.

Outside of a few random situations, he basically makes trades on draft day, on deadline day, and during the off-season.

It's like a pattern. He rarely trades outside of the draft and deadline, and significant moves aren't made during the season if it isn't the deadline.

So that is something to note I think. We shouldn't expect any movement until the deadline.

But his comments about championship or bust make me think that if he doesn't make any moves, then he probably thinks this roster truly has the chance to win it all, as currently constructed.

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I think mandates to stay (or get) under the tax limited him somewhat on that front. I don't think he's shy about making roster changes midseason. We almost saw a major one this year with Harden. He did the Capella/Covington thing last year. A while back he did Alston for Lowry. I'm sure there's others (we ended up getting Ennis for free due to them needing to get under the tax)

The Harden thing would have been a major rarity but also Harden being available was a major rarity.

The other 3 deals you mentioned occurred within 24 hours of the deadline those years. So, that's my point. I don't see him making any moves until basically the day before, or the day of the deadline.

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Got ya. I guess I misread what you were saying. I imagine that's the case for most teams since that's when teams are pushed against the wall and it's **** or get off the pot

[youngcrev]

I'm kinda shocked by how much the idea of Lonzo Ball has grown on me, but he's a realistic target from a cost of acquisition/salary perspective that adds some playmaking without really losing anything that Danny brings to the table.

He doesn't feel like the "missing piece", but he does feel like an improvement over what we have and a potential long-term starter.

[51X3RF4N]

I'm kinda shocked by how much the idea of Lonzo Ball has grown on me, but he's a realistic target from a cost of acquisition/salary perspective that adds some playmaking without really losing anything that Danny brings to the table.

He doesn't feel like the "missing piece", but he does feel like an improvement over what we have and a potential long-term starter.

I agree with this, but my fear is inconsistency long term with the jumper, and his willingness to shoot them. He shoots like crazy all the time, lots of 3pt shots whether he's making or missing. And really he's only been making them at a better clip for a short period of time. So is the shot fixed? Or is he just going through a hot stretch?

If he starts missing, will he pull back the number of attempts?

Ball is certainly a playmaker with his passing and vision, and ball handling. He's certainly a quick defender who could slid into a nice role as a multi position defender next to Ben.

And can you imagine the 2-3 zone with Ben, Ball and Thybulle?

Also the fast break with Ben running out. I don't know if Lonzo's ever played with someone as skilled at passing on the fast break as Ben, or as fast as Ben.

The 2 of them would run out on teams all night long for easy layups and dunks with their speed and defense.

I'd trade Danny and a pick for him, or a combo of other expirings and a pick. Even Maxey potentially if we had an extension lined up with Lonzo.

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[phillynative]

With the personnel we already have. Lonzo could also play PG,SG or the 3 on or off the bench so he would add depth and flexibility.

[youngcrev]

I'm kinda shocked by how much the idea of Lonzo Ball has grown on me, but he's a realistic target from a cost of acquisition/salary perspective that adds some playmaking without really losing anything that Danny brings to the table.

He doesn't feel like the "missing piece", but he does feel like an improvement over what we have and a potential long-term starter.

I agree with this, but my fear is inconsistency long term with the jumper, and his willingness to shoot them. He shoots like crazy all the time, lots of 3pt shots whether he's making or missing. And really he's only been making them at a better clip for a short period of time. So is the shot fixed? Or is he just going through a hot stretch?

If he starts missing, will he pull back the number of attempts?

Ball is certainly a playmaker with his passing and vision, and ball handling. He's certainly a quick defender who could slid into a nice role as a multi position defender next to Ben.

And can you imagine the 2-3 zone with Ben, Ball and Thybulle?

Also the fast break with Ben running out. I don't know if Lonzo's ever played with someone as skilled at passing on the fast break as Ben, or as fast as Ben.

The 2 of them would run out on teams all night long for easy layups and dunks with their speed and defense.

I'd trade Danny and a pick for him, or a combo of other expirings and a pick. Even Maxey potentially if we had an extension lined up with Lonzo.

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He shot 37.5% last year on 6.3 attempts, so I think there's enough to think he's a pretty good 3 point shooter at this point.

Feels like he can fill the old man J Kidd role from the Mavs championship year. Just be a dude that swings the ball and takes spot up 3s above the break in the half court. Could potentially have him as your guy that feeds Jo in the post and put Curry over on that weakside to kill teams off the double.

[51X3RF4N]

With the personnel we already have. Lonzo could also play PG,SG or the 3 on or off the bench so he would add depth and flexibility.

Correct. When I think of "upgrading" the starting group, a few things come to mind.

1. Seth is one of the best pure shooters in the league. Putting him next to Simmons and Embiid makes a ton of sense. While he lacks defensively, he's a vet who knows how to hit big shots, and can score in bunches.

2. Tobias is a very good natural "fit" next to Embiid due to being able to stretch the floor. And if this Quick decision making catch and shoot 3 Tobias sticks around, it's an obvious answer to want him as the PF. As long as he's consistent of course.

3. Joel and Ben aren't going anywhere. So really you have 1 starting spot open and what you're lacking is someone who can defend 1, 2 or 3 depending on matchups. Someone who can perform a step back 3pt shot and hit an average level of those. Someone who has ball handling/playmaking skills. Someone who can run PnR with Joel and get downhill the rim, and finish when needed.

There are very few players who fit the mold of the ideal 5th starter for this team. Lonzo Ball is one of them. And he happens to be on the market and in the right age to be a long term solution.

If Pels asked for Maxey, 2021 1st, and expirings I would strongly consider it if a long term deal could be agreed upon.

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[MoeGreene]

Top 8 Targets - realistically probably can't get any of them. But, I would rather have these fellas than some of the dreck like Wright and or Bjelica.

1. Lowry
2. La Vine
3. D'Angelo Russell - hurt now but worth a gamble if price is right.
4. Oladipo
5. Derrick White
7. Josh Hart
8. Bertans

[the_process]

Acquiring Lonzo 100% depends on what he's asking for long term. If it's much more than what Danny Green is making now, I would be out.

[51X3RF4N]

General question no specific agenda here...

With Ben being out with a "sickness" I am curious...in the event it is due to a trade escalating (I know it's not but this is hypothetical)...

Name the players you would actually trade Ben for right now...

I'll start:

1. Luka
2. Dame
3. Kawhi
4. Steph
5. Harden

I think that might complete my list. Honestly. I'm not sure there is a player or package out there that I'd include Ben in.

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[Negrodamus]

Mike Scott
Terrance Ferguson
Tony Bradley
Vincent Poirier
Knicks second rounder

for

Terrence Ross

All expiring contracts and a decent second rounder for Terrence Ross. We get a pure scorer off the bench that would play in the 8 deep depth chart. Magic aren't doing anything this year and might want to make a splash this offseason. We get them off the hook for 3 more years of him.

[DCasey91]

Embiid
Simmons

I believe are very safe

Harris (I think they’ll wait and see after the season but for me I don’t like it as it’s reactionary/performance based).

Two of them are less effective without a high end backcourt player when the real thing starts.

I like Curry more off the bench, Green in the starting unit I’m fine with. Thybulle serves a role as well.
(Milton/Curry bench combo will be nice moving forward because both there contracts have a ton of value in them.)

The rest though (unless Green/Milton/Maxey gets moved for a better backcourt starting player) should be open market.

I don’t think a big deal will happen, more than likely 1-2 smaller moves will take place. We all know what we need on the outside.

and I’d love ball on the team (he’s like the only that can defend properly in the pelican starting unit lol, great passer, prefect tempo player for Ben, off/on ball, his shooting is fine 570+ attempts now at above 37.1% 6.6 attempts and 2.5 makes is very solid). He’s a just a good all round NBA player.

but it’s going to be headache to resign him in the future because we are hard capped for the next three years.

[ProcessDoctor]

Zach LaVine quickly exiting our price range (sans Simmons). Maybe his value will come down to earth a bit if/when he doesn't sign an extension this off-season.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I went from lukewarm on Lonzo to all in on the idea of trading for him.

[youngcrev]

Zach LaVine quickly exiting our price range (sans Simmons). Maybe his value will come down to earth a bit if/when he doesn't sign an extension this off-season.

It's cool. Grab his perfect backcourt partner in Ball now and then get him at a discount this off-season after the Bulls miss the playoffs yet again and he's in the final year of his deal.

[youngcrev]

Acquiring Lonzo 100% depends on what he's asking for long term. If it's much more than what Danny Green is making now, I would be out.

To me it just depends on the cost to acquire him. If it can be done for our 1st+trash expirings, you pull the trigger and figure the rest out later. Not sure how much I'd be willing to pay him before seeing how he looks with the team anyway.

There's also the chance to recoup assets via S&T (even if it's just in the form of a large T.E.) since he'll be a RFA.

[Kobblehead]

Zach LaVine quickly exiting our price range (sans Simmons). Maybe his value will come down to earth a bit if/when he doesn't sign an extension this off-season.

Honestly, I'm not sure why we don't just use Simmons and make the swap already.

Simmons has no creation on the ball and no spacing off the ball. Defensively, he's great but he's been lit up in the postseason because great offense is always more effective than great defense.

The creating abilities, spacing abilities, and firepower of a Lavine/Harris/Milton trio on the wing plus the all-around phenom effect of Embiid would make us instant title favorites, IMO.

[ProcessDoctor]

Zach LaVine quickly exiting our price range (sans Simmons). Maybe his value will come down to earth a bit if/when he doesn't sign an extension this off-season.

Honestly, I'm not sure why we don't just use Simmons and make the swap already.

Simmons has no creation on the ball and no spacing off the ball. Defensively, he's great but he's been lit up in the postseason because great offense is always more effective than great defense.

The creating abilities, spacing abilities, and firepower of a Lavine/Harris/Milton trio on the wing plus the all-around phenom effect of Embiid would make us instant title favorites, IMO.

I think a Simmons/LaVine/Embiid trio far outshines a Harris/LaVine/Embiid one. I think you do your best to acquire him without Ben.

Regardless, I imagine Morey will continue to pursue him until he either signs an extension or is moved elsewhere.