Julius Randle IS a 'cornerstone' player

[god shammgod]

The timing is actually horrible, but I still hope Leon has that talk to Thibs and they play the kids more ....

The timing sucks... but you have to remember that we’re pretty much winning games cause our youth is developing under Thibs. So how upset can you really be? It is what it is at this point. At least we’re developing players for once. When was the last time you can say that lol

People are always gonna feel the timing sucks. Except for maybe last year. Personally this draft is kind of overrated to me it terms of how deep people are claiming it is with FRANCHISE level talent. I see MAYBE 2 or 3 personally and a lot of very good players maybe all stars but not franchise talents. Is it really worth tanking for the minimal odds at those 2 or 3 players over developing the youth we already have and trying to win games?

there's no can't miss "gonna win all the championships" guy in this draft. those guys are few and far between that you can identify before they're even in the league. there's been two guys like that since the late 90s. duncan and lebron. nobody really was sure about anyone else. the 3rd guy with the most buzz since then was actually zion.

[3toheadmelo]

The timing is actually horrible, but I still hope Leon has that talk to Thibs and they play the kids more ....

The timing sucks... but you have to remember that we’re pretty much winning games cause our youth is developing under Thibs. So how upset can you really be? It is what it is at this point. At least we’re developing players for once. When was the last time you can say that lol

People are always gonna feel the timing sucks. Except for maybe last year. Personally this draft is kind of overrated to me it terms of how deep people are claiming it is with FRANCHISE level talent. I see MAYBE 2 or 3 personally and a lot of very good players maybe all stars but not franchise talents. Is it really worth tanking for the minimal odds at those 2 or 3 players over developing the youth we already have and trying to win games?

Yeah I think it’s kinda overrated too. I’ve been watching the G league games and those guys don’t really seem like franchise level players. Will probably still be pretty good long term but not franchise changing talents. Jalen Green looks rawer than I expected him to be and Kuminga can’t shoot that well. Then there’s Suggs who’ll probably be pretty good but nothing serious. And Mobley who’s a couple years away from making a impact.

[DaGawd]

The timing sucks... but you have to remember that we’re pretty much winning games cause our youth is developing under Thibs. So how upset can you really be? It is what it is at this point. At least we’re developing players for once. When was the last time you can say that lol

People are always gonna feel the timing sucks. Except for maybe last year. Personally this draft is kind of overrated to me it terms of how deep people are claiming it is with FRANCHISE level talent. I see MAYBE 2 or 3 personally and a lot of very good players maybe all stars but not franchise talents. Is it really worth tanking for the minimal odds at those 2 or 3 players over developing the youth we already have and trying to win games?

there's no can't miss "gonna win all the championships" guy in this draft. those guys are few and far between that you can identify before they're even in the league. there's been two guys like that since the late 90s. duncan and lebron. nobody really was sure about anyone else. the 3rd guy with the most buzz since then was actually zion.

This is a more blunt thought on hope I feel. Those once in a life time, likely to win championships type players are truly mythical beings.. like you said you hear all the hype about them while they still have to deal with parent teacher conferences and what not.. there’s no one like that in this draft

[sol537]

This off-season or next, go after: Kawhi -> Beal -> Lavine -> Trent Jr.

You either get a "lead" guy to put next to Randle or you get more talent/depth to continue the build.

[WargamesX]

The timing sucks... but you have to remember that we’re pretty much winning games cause our youth is developing under Thibs. So how upset can you really be? It is what it is at this point. At least we’re developing players for once. When was the last time you can say that lol

People are always gonna feel the timing sucks. Except for maybe last year. Personally this draft is kind of overrated to me it terms of how deep people are claiming it is with FRANCHISE level talent. I see MAYBE 2 or 3 personally and a lot of very good players maybe all stars but not franchise talents. Is it really worth tanking for the minimal odds at those 2 or 3 players over developing the youth we already have and trying to win games?

Yeah I think it’s kinda overrated too. I’ve been watching the G league games and those guys don’t really seem like franchise level players. Will probably still be pretty good long term but not franchise changing talents. Jalen Green looks rawer than I expected him to be and Kuminga can’t shoot that well. Then there’s Suggs who’ll probably be pretty good but nothing serious. And Mobley who’s a couple years away from making a impact.

When our cap space is donezo and we’re stuck looking for talent on good contracts there is a good chance we’ll be crying about why we didn’t tank this year to add one of those guys.

[Nbabrothers]

I think Randle can be a LeBron lite if you give him another bona-fide star where it's not all on him. I do think he can be a number one option (if he continues this high level of play) if we had a true point, better spacing, better shooting and a proven backup so he doesn't have to play 48 minutes a night... This man is exhausted every game and that's with elite conditioning.

Get this man some help. Elfrid hurts his game so much. All he does is play hot potato behind the 3 pt line because he knows he cant shoot. And then he's too score first when he's not. Elfrid helps nobody on the team.

Ideally you would love to pair Randle with someone like Kawhi and have Randle the secondary-ish, play off option but I think Randle has shown he's on his way to becoming one of the best players in the league.

Our team is not that far away from serious contention honestly but we need to add and subtract pieces.

I would consider either trading for or waiting for Andre Drummond to be a free agent snd sign him then. He leads the league in rebounding again which makes it three seasons he’s led the league. Also, he averaged over one steal and over one block per game which is nothing to shy away from.
If it’s a trade then I would look at giving up Mitchell Robinson, Knox, Rivers and a couple of second round picks. No Quickley, Rose, RJ, Burks, but if they want Noel as well or instead I may consider that.
Mitchell’s ceiling is not that high. He will probably peak at 12ppg 11 rebounds.
I’m znOT saying make the trade, I would rather wait for free agency. Otherwise I would seriously consider trading only those players previously mentioned. Of course no Julius Randle. Randle’s contract needs to be extended.

[3toheadmelo]

People are always gonna feel the timing sucks. Except for maybe last year. Personally this draft is kind of overrated to me it terms of how deep people are claiming it is with FRANCHISE level talent. I see MAYBE 2 or 3 personally and a lot of very good players maybe all stars but not franchise talents. Is it really worth tanking for the minimal odds at those 2 or 3 players over developing the youth we already have and trying to win games?

Yeah I think it’s kinda overrated too. I’ve been watching the G league games and those guys don’t really seem like franchise level players. Will probably still be pretty good long term but not franchise changing talents. Jalen Green looks rawer than I expected him to be and Kuminga can’t shoot that well. Then there’s Suggs who’ll probably be pretty good but nothing serious. And Mobley who’s a couple years away from making a impact.

When our cap space is donezo and we’re stuck looking for talent on good contracts there is a good chance we’ll be crying about why we didn’t tank this year to add one of those guys.

Blame Thibs for developing our players then

[god shammgod]

I think Randle can be a LeBron lite if you give him another bona-fide star where it's not all on him. I do think he can be a number one option (if he continues this high level of play) if we had a true point, better spacing, better shooting and a proven backup so he doesn't have to play 48 minutes a night... This man is exhausted every game and that's with elite conditioning.

Get this man some help. Elfrid hurts his game so much. All he does is play hot potato behind the 3 pt line because he knows he cant shoot. And then he's too score first when he's not. Elfrid helps nobody on the team.

Ideally you would love to pair Randle with someone like Kawhi and have Randle the secondary-ish, play off option but I think Randle has shown he's on his way to becoming one of the best players in the league.

Our team is not that far away from serious contention honestly but we need to add and subtract pieces.

I would consider either trading for or waiting for Andre Drummond to be a free agent snd sign him then. He leads the league in rebounding again which makes it three seasons he’s led the league. Also, he averaged over one steal and over one block per game which is nothing to shy away from.
If it’s a trade then I would look at giving up Mitchell Robinson, Knox, Rivers and a couple of second round picks. No Quickley, Rose, RJ, Burks, but if they want Noel as well or instead I may consider that.
Mitchell’s ceiling is not that high. He will probably peak at 12ppg 11 rebounds.
I’m znOT saying make the trade, I would rather wait for free agency. Otherwise I would seriously consider trading only those players previously mentioned. Of course no Julius Randle. Randle’s contract needs to be extended.

just stick to polls man. better that way.

[DaGawd]

People are always gonna feel the timing sucks. Except for maybe last year. Personally this draft is kind of overrated to me it terms of how deep people are claiming it is with FRANCHISE level talent. I see MAYBE 2 or 3 personally and a lot of very good players maybe all stars but not franchise talents. Is it really worth tanking for the minimal odds at those 2 or 3 players over developing the youth we already have and trying to win games?

Yeah I think it’s kinda overrated too. I’ve been watching the G league games and those guys don’t really seem like franchise level players. Will probably still be pretty good long term but not franchise changing talents. Jalen Green looks rawer than I expected him to be and Kuminga can’t shoot that well. Then there’s Suggs who’ll probably be pretty good but nothing serious. And Mobley who’s a couple years away from making a impact.

When our cap space is donezo and we’re stuck looking for talent on good contracts there is a good chance we’ll be crying about why we didn’t tank this year to add one of those guys.

It beats constantly crying in the present about the team not being bad enough for a fairy tale make believe shot at drafting a kid whose probably years away from being a winner in the league and hoping the Knicks fail going forward so you can say you were right...

[WargamesX]

Yeah I think it’s kinda overrated too. I’ve been watching the G league games and those guys don’t really seem like franchise level players. Will probably still be pretty good long term but not franchise changing talents. Jalen Green looks rawer than I expected him to be and Kuminga can’t shoot that well. Then there’s Suggs who’ll probably be pretty good but nothing serious. And Mobley who’s a couple years away from making a impact.

When our cap space is donezo and we’re stuck looking for talent on good contracts there is a good chance we’ll be crying about why we didn’t tank this year to add one of those guys.

Blame Thibs for developing our players then

I don’t complain when he plays the youth and get wins. It’s when he relies on the vets that I find the whole thing pointless

We’re not even an above .500 team and guys are like ”we need to forget draft picks!”;

[3toheadmelo]

When our cap space is donezo and we’re stuck looking for talent on good contracts there is a good chance we’ll be crying about why we didn’t tank this year to add one of those guys.

Blame Thibs for developing our players then

I don’t complain when he plays the youth and get wins. It’s when he relies on the vets that I find the whole thing pointless

We’re not even an above .500 team and guys are like ”we need to forget draft picks!”;

Like I said.. the majority of our wins are cause of our young guys. Like 99% of them. Sure sometimes he over plays his vets, but when we win games it’s pretty much because of Randle, RJ, Quickley and Mitch. I can’t remember the last time we won a game because of Payton or Bullocks.

[WargamesX]

Yeah I think it’s kinda overrated too. I’ve been watching the G league games and those guys don’t really seem like franchise level players. Will probably still be pretty good long term but not franchise changing talents. Jalen Green looks rawer than I expected him to be and Kuminga can’t shoot that well. Then there’s Suggs who’ll probably be pretty good but nothing serious. And Mobley who’s a couple years away from making a impact.

When our cap space is donezo and we’re stuck looking for talent on good contracts there is a good chance we’ll be crying about why we didn’t tank this year to add one of those guys.

It beats constantly crying in the present about the team not being bad enough for a fairy tale make believe shot at drafting a kid whose probably years away from being a winner in the league and hoping the Knicks fail going forward so you can say you were right...

^see this is what I am talking about. Let’s ignore that RJ and KP were pick 3 & 4 (best talent drafted in 20 years) and complain about the fact the kids drafted at around #8 don’t play great as the Knicks go about the season in a way that will likely end up with them getting pick #10 - #12.

We do this every season as fans.....

[WargamesX]

Blame Thibs for developing our players then

I don’t complain when he plays the youth and get wins. It’s when he relies on the vets that I find the whole thing pointless

We’re not even an above .500 team and guys are like ”we need to forget draft picks!”;

Like I said.. the majority of our wins are cause of our young guys. Like 99% of them. Sure sometimes he over plays his vets, but when we win games it’s pretty much because of Randle, RJ, Quickley and Mitch. I can’t remember the last time we won a game because of Payton or Bullocks.

That was two weeks ago. Like 4 games ago and it sounds like after Orlando he is about to go back

[DaGawd]

When our cap space is donezo and we’re stuck looking for talent on good contracts there is a good chance we’ll be crying about why we didn’t tank this year to add one of those guys.

It beats constantly crying in the present about the team not being bad enough for a fairy tale make believe shot at drafting a kid whose probably years away from being a winner in the league and hoping the Knicks fail going forward so you can say you were right...

^see this is what I am talking about. Let’s ignore that RJ and KP were pick 3 & 4 (best talent drafted in 20 years) and complain about the fact the kids drafted at around #8 don’t play great as the Knicks go about the season in a way that will likely end up with them getting pick #10 - #12.

We do this every season as fans.....

Nah dawg do YOU SEE?!? 2 players that while they may be our best prospects since Ewing weren’t/aren’t good enough to really move the needle in terms of winning games yet (and may never be for all we know)

[Zenzibar]

When our cap space is donezo and we’re stuck looking for talent on good contracts there is a good chance we’ll be crying about why we didn’t tank this year to add one of those guys.

It beats constantly crying in the present about the team not being bad enough for a fairy tale make believe shot at drafting a kid whose probably years away from being a winner in the league and hoping the Knicks fail going forward so you can say you were right...

^see this is what I am talking about. Let’s ignore that RJ and KP were pick 3 & 4 (best talent drafted in 20 years) and complain about the fact the kids drafted at around #8 don’t play great as the Knicks go about the season in a way that will likely end up with them getting pick #10 - #12.

We do this every season as fans.....

What's even your argument? Quickley was drafted at 25 and Haliburton was drafted at 12. Meanwhile Wiseman #3, got benched and early-on looks rather underwhelming. BTW, Steph was draft 7, Klay at 11, Draymond 2nd round, Giannis pick 15.

We as fans have to endure the pain of losses upon losses, to placate a few fans? Then the same fans complain we're not an attractive destination. Also blame Dolan for it, meanwhile it's really because we show no immediate competitiveness, in other words we suck.

This year we are one of the surprise teams of the NBA being that we're 7th in the EC. That is more attractive my dude.

[Zenzibar]

I don’t complain when he plays the youth and get wins. It’s when he relies on the vets that I find the whole thing pointless

We’re not even an above .500 team and guys are like ”we need to forget draft picks!”;

Like I said.. the majority of our wins are cause of our young guys. Like 99% of them. Sure sometimes he over plays his vets, but when we win games it’s pretty much because of Randle, RJ, Quickley and Mitch. I can’t remember the last time we won a game because of Payton or Bullocks.

That was two weeks ago. Like 4 games ago and it sounds like after Orlando he is about to go back

Actually Payton has had ALOT to do with our position as a current playoff team, same with Bullock. Bullock's defense is reknown and Payton has been taking his game to a new level.

It's just the haters are just going to continue to hate blindly.

[3toheadmelo]

I don’t complain when he plays the youth and get wins. It’s when he relies on the vets that I find the whole thing pointless

We’re not even an above .500 team and guys are like ”we need to forget draft picks!”;

Like I said.. the majority of our wins are cause of our young guys. Like 99% of them. Sure sometimes he over plays his vets, but when we win games it’s pretty much because of Randle, RJ, Quickley and Mitch. I can’t remember the last time we won a game because of Payton or Bullocks.

That was two weeks ago. Like 4 games ago and it sounds like after Orlando he is about to go back

Which games did we win because of Payton?

[KnixtapeH20]

I think Randle can be a LeBron lite if you give him another bona-fide star where it's not all on him. I do think he can be a number one option (if he continues this high level of play) if we had a true point, better spacing, better shooting and a proven backup so he doesn't have to play 48 minutes a night... This man is exhausted every game and that's with elite conditioning.

Get this man some help. Elfrid hurts his game so much. All he does is play hot potato behind the 3 pt line because he knows he cant shoot. And then he's too score first when he's not. Elfrid helps nobody on the team.

Ideally you would love to pair Randle with someone like Kawhi and have Randle the secondary-ish, play off option but I think Randle has shown he's on his way to becoming one of the best players in the league.

Our team is not that far away from serious contention honestly but we need to add and subtract pieces.

I would consider either trading for or waiting for Andre Drummond to be a free agent snd sign him then. He leads the league in rebounding again which makes it three seasons he’s led the league. Also, he averaged over one steal and over one block per game which is nothing to shy away from.
If it’s a trade then I would look at giving up Mitchell Robinson, Knox, Rivers and a couple of second round picks. No Quickley, Rose, RJ, Burks, but if they want Noel as well or instead I may consider that.
Mitchell’s ceiling is not that high. He will probably peak at 12ppg 11 rebounds.
I’m znOT saying make the trade, I would rather wait for free agency. Otherwise I would seriously consider trading only those players previously mentioned. Of course no Julius Randle. Randle’s contract needs to be extended.

Very different opinion on Mitch, let's just leave it at that.

[3toheadmelo]

Like I said.. the majority of our wins are cause of our young guys. Like 99% of them. Sure sometimes he over plays his vets, but when we win games it’s pretty much because of Randle, RJ, Quickley and Mitch. I can’t remember the last time we won a game because of Payton or Bullocks.

That was two weeks ago. Like 4 games ago and it sounds like after Orlando he is about to go back

Actually Payton has had ALOT to do with our position as a current playoff team, same with Bullock. Bullock's defense is reknown and Payton has been taking his game to a new level.

It's just the haters are just going to continue to hate blindly.

[3toheadmelo]

Man we riot fr if he doesn’t get into the all star game. And sham deserves some blame as well

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