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[Ron Swanson]

Exactly. You guys can squabble over the specifics of the trade and matching salary but the deal was there to be made. OKC only took a 2022 PHX 1st and flipped Oubre/Rubio for a heavily protected pick that's in all likelihood turning into two 2nd-rounders. Some of us were banging the drum the second the Bucks lost again in a playoff series because of garbage half-court offensive execution.

Paul was the obvious "all-in" move and would have cost a fraction of the assets/roster depth. Love Holiday infinitely more as a person, but he doesn't the same kind of impact on this team that a guy like Paul would have. The assumption that the most coachable/low-maintenance superstar in the league would have made it a deal-breaker, isn't a good enough answer IMO. Winning brings everyone on board.

[LuessiT]

The upside of being bad is that trading our 2021 FRP for our 2022 FRP via Houston looks more enticing to them (and opens up trading the 2023 pick). Wouldn't be surprised if we can pry Tucker away with a pick swap.

[skones]

The upside of being bad is that trading our 2021 FRP for our 2022 FRP via Houston looks more enticing to them (and opens up trading the 2023 pick). Wouldn't be surprised if we can pry Tucker away with a pick swap.

We don't need to pry Tucker away. He's done.

[BroncoBuck]

Brook and both DJ’s for Horford works if OKC wants to save some money and also try to flip Brook or DJA down the line. Horford is on the decline obviously, but he’s always been a really smart player on offense and defense and has played for Bud.

[JimmyTheKid]

Bucks in: Delon Wright
Bucks out: DJA, DJW, 2023 2nd rounder

Magic in: DJA, DJW
Magic out: Amino, 2022 2nd rounder

Pistons in: Amino, 2- 2nd rounders
Pistons out Delon Wright

Wright fits our offense, can play and defend either guard position, and has positive playoff experience.

Nice job here. For us and Detroit at least. Unfortunately I don't even think DJW is enough for Hammond to take DJA off our hands. What an undeniably stupid signing that was.

[JimmyTheKid]

Brook, DJA, Donte for Rubio, Nowell, Vanderbilt

We forget about bulk in favor of the ability to hard double the post that comes with the improved footspeed. Jrue gets to move off ball in favor of a true point. Nowell has some defensive upside and scoring chops that Donte does not. We cede shooting, but Nowell will explode with the shot quality he finds here.

Another good one. Sign me up.

[ShootingtheJ]

I’m good with Delon Wright.

I'm really not. I guess he's better than DJA but that would mean that the FO hasn't learned what's wrong with the team. What we need from role players is high energy, defensive responsibility and a decent 3 ball off the catch. Wright only triggers one of those boxes.

I'm not exactly sure how low DJA's value is but I'm somewhat confident that you can only trade him versus some other teams trash. Maybe I'm wrong but his contact looks baaaaad.

Wright checks all 3 boxes, with ease.

I agree DJA might not have much value but in the deal I proposed, the outgoing player is Aminu, who's basically $9 million in dead money.

[JimmyTheKid]

Exactly. You guys can squabble over the specifics of the trade and matching salary but the deal was there to be made. OKC only took a 2022 PHX 1st and flipped Oubre/Rubio for a heavily protected pick that's in all likelihood turning into two 2nd-rounders. Some of us were banging the drum the second the Bucks lost again in a playoff series because of garbage half-court offensive execution.

Paul was the obvious "all-in" move and would have cost a fraction of the assets/roster depth. Love Holiday infinitely more as a person, but he doesn't the same kind of impact on this team that a guy like Paul would have. The assumption that the most coachable/low-maintenance superstar in the league would have made it a deal-breaker, isn't a good enough answer IMO. Winning brings everyone on board.

Thought you werent going to harp on this. 20 posts later... Weird that the hand wringing over Chris Paul didn't really materialize until we lost Jrue and played Phoenix. Coincidence?

I feel like we should have just kept Dirk for ourselves after we drafted him. Maybe it was a bad idea to trade him to Dallas.

[Ron Swanson]

Exactly. You guys can squabble over the specifics of the trade and matching salary but the deal was there to be made. OKC only took a 2022 PHX 1st and flipped Oubre/Rubio for a heavily protected pick that's in all likelihood turning into two 2nd-rounders. Some of us were banging the drum the second the Bucks lost again in a playoff series because of garbage half-court offensive execution.

Paul was the obvious "all-in" move and would have cost a fraction of the assets/roster depth. Love Holiday infinitely more as a person, but he doesn't the same kind of impact on this team that a guy like Paul would have. The assumption that the most coachable/low-maintenance superstar in the league would have made it a deal-breaker, isn't a good enough answer IMO. Winning brings everyone on board.

Thought you werent going to harp on this. 20 posts later... Weird that the hand wringing over Chris Paul didn't really materialize until we lost Jrue and played Phoenix. Coincidence?

I feel like we should have just kept Dirk for ourselves after we drafted him. Maybe it was a bad idea to trade him to Dallas.

Guilty as charged, but then again, I certainly didn't know it was going to look this bad even after the PHX loss. But I also don't think that burying one's head in the sand while repeating "It's ok, Jrue is going to solve everything" is a great or sensible hill to die on. We shall see.

[SupremeHustle]

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[ShootingtheJ]

Exactly. You guys can squabble over the specifics of the trade and matching salary but the deal was there to be made. OKC only took a 2022 PHX 1st and flipped Oubre/Rubio for a heavily protected pick that's in all likelihood turning into two 2nd-rounders. Some of us were banging the drum the second the Bucks lost again in a playoff series because of garbage half-court offensive execution.

Paul was the obvious "all-in" move and would have cost a fraction of the assets/roster depth. Love Holiday infinitely more as a person, but he doesn't the same kind of impact on this team that a guy like Paul would have. The assumption that the most coachable/low-maintenance superstar in the league would have made it a deal-breaker, isn't a good enough answer IMO. Winning brings everyone on board.

Thought you werent going to harp on this. 20 posts later... Weird that the hand wringing over Chris Paul didn't really materialize until we lost Jrue and played Phoenix. Coincidence?

I feel like we should have just kept Dirk for ourselves after we drafted him. Maybe it was a bad idea to trade him to Dallas.

Guilty as charged, but then again, I certainly didn't know it was going to look this bad even after the PHX loss. But I also don't think that burying one's head in the sand while repeating "It's ok, Jrue is going to solve everything" is a great or sensible hill to die on. We shall see.

Fun fact: The Suns have been better, by a wide margin, with the immortal Cam Payne at PG than with Paul.

Clearly the guy we needed was Cam Payne.

[StickeeFingaz]

Somebody who’s better than me on building conditions/filters on NBA stat sites, I’m wondering what our fastbreak points per game was with Jrue and now the 5 games without Jrue. Also offensive rating/defensive rating with Jrue and the 5 games without Jrue.

This sounds like a homework assignment so feel free to tell the teacher to **** off and figure it out yourself.

[LuessiT]

Somebody who’s better than me on building conditions/filters on NBA stat sites, I’m wondering what our fastbreak points per game was with Jrue and now the 5 games without Jrue. Also offensive rating/defensive rating with Jrue and the 5 games without Jrue.

This sounds like a homework assignment so feel free to tell the teacher to **** off and figure it out yourself.

That's something interesting to look at. I'll get back to you. Also **** off for giving me homework.

Edit: So we're leading the league in fastbreak points with 16.0. In our last six games without Jrue we've averaged 13.17 fastbreak points (good for 14th best in the league) and 16.6 in the games before that. Not sure if Jrue missed any other game.

With Jrue we've averaged 121.2 points, without 113.67 points while giving up 111.3 points and 119 points. This stat is much more noisy because of the win/loss ratio though so I wouldn't read too much into it.

[StickeeFingaz]

Somebody who’s better than me on building conditions/filters on NBA stat sites, I’m wondering what our fastbreak points per game was with Jrue and now the 5 games without Jrue. Also offensive rating/defensive rating with Jrue and the 5 games without Jrue.

This sounds like a homework assignment so feel free to tell the teacher to **** off and figure it out yourself.

That's something interesting to look at. I'll get back to you. Also **** off for giving me homework.

Edit: So we're leading the league in fastbreak points with 16.0. In our last six games without Jrue we've averaged 13.17 fastbreak points (good for 14th best in the league) and 16.6 in the games before that. Not sure if Jrue missed any other game.

With Jrue we've averaged 121.2 points, without 113.67 points while giving up 111.3 points and 119 points. This stat is much more noisy because of the win/loss ratio though so I wouldn't read too much into it.

Thanks. Kinda surprised at 14th best, middle of the pack, since Jrue has been out. Feels like those easy buckets have disappeared, but I guess that isn’t the case.

[DingleJerry]

Yea was just talking to a friend on the Paul thing a couple days ago. It essentially would've allowed us two swings at this thing instead of one since he'd have cost so much less in assets. Get him and you have 2 years with him, if somehow he's healthy/good still maybe can add a 3rd year on like Tor did with Lowry. When he's done you'd still have all your assets to do a whole reconfiguration. Now, you're all in on the current setup and it's not like Jrue is 27 years old.

I don't recall what I said or if I had a strong opinion on Paul this offseason. I'd guess I had a take of 'well, he's exactly what we need, it's risky with his age/injury/contract but we have to take a risk'. I recall saying something about load managing him all year just to keep him healthy for playoffs. In hindsight, I think this was the route they should've gone. I like Jrue but he's not that lead PG like we so need in the half court to get the ball out of Giannis dribbling top of key.

And for the CP is a prick stuff. Well, I'd guess many saying that also gush over MJ who was a total prick too. Basically when that Doc came out this summer everyone fawned over exactly that and how it was a good thing

[LuessiT]

Somebody who’s better than me on building conditions/filters on NBA stat sites, I’m wondering what our fastbreak points per game was with Jrue and now the 5 games without Jrue. Also offensive rating/defensive rating with Jrue and the 5 games without Jrue.

This sounds like a homework assignment so feel free to tell the teacher to **** off and figure it out yourself.

That's something interesting to look at. I'll get back to you. Also **** off for giving me homework.

Edit: So we're leading the league in fastbreak points with 16.0. In our last six games without Jrue we've averaged 13.17 fastbreak points (good for 14th best in the league) and 16.6 in the games before that. Not sure if Jrue missed any other game.

With Jrue we've averaged 121.2 points, without 113.67 points while giving up 111.3 points and 119 points. This stat is much more noisy because of the win/loss ratio though so I wouldn't read too much into it.

Thanks. Kinda surprised at 14th best, middle of the pack, since Jrue has been out. Feels like those easy buckets have disappeared, but I guess that isn’t the case.

Again the stat is super noisy. Bucks are clearly emphasizing transition points with and without Jrue and stops are especially helpful to generate transition points but for example if opponents shoot a high amount of 3's your transition points will generally tick up because the overall opposing FG% goes down and you get more attempts to run more. Doesn't mean you did a better job. Also for this specific stat 6 games aren't nearly enough to draw conclusions.

[fansinceforever]

Not bringing in CP because he's a "prick" is legitimately loser talk. If Giannis really didn't want to play with him because of that then that's a huge red flag.

The only explanation to opt for the Jrue trade is that maybe Chris didn't want to come here. The Bucks' backs were against the wall and we are where we are now.

[PG Graveyard]

Yeah it is disappointing that Giannis didn't want to bring in Chris Paul since he is a prick....It is doubly disappointing that Giannis has gone full Serrano from Major League 2 with his everything is all good routine after losses.

[skones]

Brook/Forbes for Zubac/Lou being kicked around on the trade board and nobody is really speaking up against it from the Clippers perspective. Zubac could be a godsend for us and a legitimate breakout candidate with more minutes. At age 23 and being locked up for 2 more years on a team friendly deal would be an absolute godsend for our prospects moving forward.

[LuessiT]

Brook/Forbes for Zubac/Lou being kicked around on the trade board and nobody is really speaking up against it from the Clippers perspective. Zubac could be a godsend for us and a legitimate breakout candidate with more minutes. At age 23 and being locked up for 2 more years on a team friendly deal would be an absolute godsend for our prospects moving forward.

Zubac is okay/even good but Lou is not at all what we should be looking for. Also a lot of players I'd prefer to give up over Forbes.