Julius Randle IS a 'cornerstone' player

[prophet_of_rage]

2nd to 5th overall picks

20 -- Wiseman, Ball, Williams, Okoro
19 -- Morant, Barrett, Hunter, Garland
18 -- Bagley, Doncic, Jackson Jr., Young
17 -- Ball, Tatum, Jackson, Fox
16 -- Ingram, Brown, Bender, Dunn
15 -- Russell, Okafor, Porzingis, Hezonja
14 -- Parker, Embiid, Gordon, Exum
13 -- Oladipo, Porter, Zeller, Lex
12 -- Kidd Gilchrist, Beal, Waiters, T. Robinson
11 -- Williams, Kanter, Thompson, Valanciunas
10 -- Turner, Favors, Johnson, Cousins
09 -- Thabeet, Harden, Evans, Rubio
08 -- Beasley, Mayo, Westbrook, Love
07 -- Durant, Horford, Conley Jr., Green
06 -- Aldridge, Morrison, Thomas, Williams
05 -- Williams, Williams, Paul, Felton
04 -- Okafor, Gordon, Livingston, Harris
03 -- Milicic, Anthony, Bosh, Wade
02 -- Williams, Dunleavy, Gooden, Tskitishvili
01 -- Chandler, Gasol, Curry, Richardson
00 -- Swift, Miles, Fizer, Miller
99 -- Francis, Davis, Odom, Bender
98 -- Bibby, LaFrentz, Jamison, Carter

Even going to five ... who are the franchise changers that led their teams to championships ... Wade and Durant. Bosh got titles teaming up.

So now that we've looked at the top 5 ... is tanking really that franchise changing?

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

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[Richard4444]

Nothing about the point is different tho. The style of play being different means nothing either. I’m not sure how you can argue the facts. Information about players were different how? They had workouts and scouting the same as we do now. I don’t get it. Seems you’re just trying to dismiss the facts.

Sorry. But you are trying to dismiss the facts. In the last decade, we have a lot of stars in the Top 3 pick. But the other picks from 4 to 15 give us almost the same quality of players.

We can speculate the reasons.

We can argue if a decade would be a small sample size. I don't think so.

Maybe the explication is because of the changes in the game. Back then, physical attributes used to be much more important. It was easier to anticipate if the player would going to be a star. Today, shooting skills and Basketball IQ are almost so important as physical attributes. It is harder to anticipate who is going to be great.

Maybe it's because of the quantity of information that confounds scouts. Too many youtube videos, media and agents hyping and overthinking. Moreover, International draftees play all over the world in different levels of competition and different styles of basketball and we don't have a great basis for comparation.

Maybe the NBA development guys got pretty good teaching skills and improving the athleticism of the players. And some players are very fast becoming totally different players than they were in the draft.

I dunno man. Not really seeing the point you’re trying to make against the evidence provided. It’s pretty cut n dry.

I am not denying 90+% of the stars are picked with lottery picks.

My point is outside the top 3 picks, the draft is a crapshoot from pick 4 to pick 14. At least in the last decade.

Its better to compete and end in with 11-14 worst campaigns showing evolution than ending with 6-9 worst campaigns trying to lose and ready to start from scratch next season.

[3toheadmelo]

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PS. RJ is +1.5 using that stat, #FreeRJ

The majority of us want to keep Randle for at least another season though.

This is really you right now, seeing most of us rooting for Randle

[prophet_of_rage]

Sorry. But you are trying to dismiss the facts. In the last decade, we have a lot of stars in the Top 3 pick. But the other picks from 4 to 15 give us almost the same quality of players.

We can speculate the reasons.

We can argue if a decade would be a small sample size. I don't think so.

Maybe the explication is because of the changes in the game. Back then, physical attributes used to be much more important. It was easier to anticipate if the player would going to be a star. Today, shooting skills and Basketball IQ are almost so important as physical attributes. It is harder to anticipate who is going to be great.

Maybe it's because of the quantity of information that confounds scouts. Too many youtube videos, media and agents hyping and overthinking. Moreover, International draftees play all over the world in different levels of competition and different styles of basketball and we don't have a great basis for comparation.

Maybe the NBA development guys got pretty good teaching skills and improving the athleticism of the players. And some players are very fast becoming totally different players than they were in the draft.

I dunno man. Not really seeing the point you’re trying to make against the evidence provided. It’s pretty cut n dry.

I am not denying 90+% of the stars are picked with lottery picks.

My point is outside the top 3 picks, the draft is a crapshoot from pick 4 to pick 14. At least in the last decade.

Its better to compete and end in with 11-14 worst campaigns showing evolution than ending with 6-9 worst campaigns trying to lose and ready to start from scratch next season.

The draft is a crapshoot period. I gave a list of the last 22 years. The number of guys who did something is pretty short.

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

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PS. RJ is +1.5 using that stat, #FreeRJ

The majority of us want to keep Randle for at least another season though.

This is really you right now, seeing most of us rooting for Randle

This thread is 22 pages long, it's split down the middle, it wouldn't be this long of a thread if everyone were in agreement and rooting for him.

How much are you willing to pay Randle too, since you want him to be an all-star. I want it on the record damnit.

[spree8]

I just don't get the appeal of always going to the lottery.

20 -- Edwards
19 -- Williamson
18 -- Ayton
17 -- Fultz
16 -- Simmons
15 -- KAT
14 -- Wiggins
13 -- Bennett
12 -- Davis
11 -- Irving
10 -- Wall
09 -- Griffin
08 -- Rose
07 -- Oden
06 -- Bargnani
05 -- Bogut
04 -- Howard
03 -- James
02 -- Ming
01 -- Martin
00 -- Brown
99 -- Brand
98 -- Olowokandi

Look at this list and ask youeself how many franchise changers there are and why it is so important to tank.

Only 5 won a ring and 3 of them teamed with Lebron tp do it. Bogut the only one who didn't teamed with Steph.

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This is so disingenuous. Why are you only looking at the #1 pick?

Because the 2 and 3 picks are worse

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Cmon man. How u gunna argue with the list of all time superstars and current superstars I’ve listed. 9 out of 10 times (if not more), you need a top 10 pick to land one. It’s just that simple. But the likelihood of getting more of a sure bet is higher if you have a higher pick.

Lebron- 1st
Durant- 2nd
ADavis- 1st
Steph- 7th
Harden- 3rd
Luka- 3rd
Embiid- 3rd
Simmons- 1st
Dame- 6th
Tatum- 3rd
Brown- 3rd
PG- 10th
Kyrie- 1st
KAT- 1st
Zion- 1st
Ja- 2nd
Fox- 5th
Trae- 5th
Ingram- 2nd
Beal- 3rd
Cp3- 4th
WB- 4th


Giannis, Kawhi, Jokic, and Booker taken outside the top 10.


Now go look at the legends list I posted. These are the facts. If you want to land a superstar, you’re way better off drafting them unless you’re loaded with assets to trade for one (we aren’t) or you have a terrific organization that stars wanna come to like LA (we have the opposite).


Facing the facts, we have to hope and pray our scouting is on point to land a star outside the top of the draft or make a trade for a borderline All-Star that Thibs and staff can push to the next level, like LaVine. Other than that, we ain’t getting to the next level ourselves.

[3toheadmelo]

Watching others make my case for trading Randle while you still have to fight the good fight.







PS. RJ is +1.5 using that stat, #FreeRJ

The majority of us want to keep Randle for at least another season though.

This is really you right now, seeing most of us rooting for Randle

This thread is 22 pages long, it's split down the middle, it wouldn't be this long of a thread if everyone were in agreement and rooting for him.

How much are you willing to pay Randle too, since you want him to be an all-star. I want it on the record damnit.

The thread is really about if he’s a #1 option though. That’s why it’s kinda long. And the people that do want him traded is cause they wanna tank. You on the other hand want him gone cause you think he’s holding back RJ

I wouldn’t max out Randle. But we have another year to evaluate him before paying him. So let’s see what happens

[prophet_of_rage]

This is so disingenuous. Why are you only looking at the #1 pick?

Because the 2 and 3 picks are worse

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Cmon man. How u gunna argue with the list of all time superstars and current superstars I’ve listed. 9 out of 10 times (if not more), you need a top 10 pick to land one. It’s just that simple. But the likelihood of getting more of a sure bet is higher if you have a higher pick.

Lebron- 1st
Durant- 2nd
ADavis- 1st
Steph- 7th
Harden- 3rd
Luka- 3rd
Embiid- 3rd
Simmons- 1st
Dame- 6th
Tatum- 3rd
Brown- 3rd
PG- 10th
Kyrie- 1st
KAT- 1st
Zion- 1st
Ja- 2nd
Fox- 5th
Trae- 5th
Ingram- 2nd
Beal- 3rd
Cp3- 4th
WB- 4th


Giannis, Kawhi, Jokic, and Booker taken outside the top 10.


Now go look at the legends list I posted. These are the facts. If you want to land a superstar, you’re way better off drafting them unless you’re loaded with assets to trade for one (we aren’t) or you have a terrific organization that stars wanna come to like LA (we have the opposite).


Facing the facts, we have to hope and pray our scouting is on point to land a star outside the top of the draft or make a trade for a borderline All-Star that Thibs and staff can push to the next level, like LaVine. Other than that, we ain’t getting to the next level ourselves.

I gave you the list. See you cherrypicked guys that wprked out. I gave you the top 5 each year for 22 years. You see how.many failures there are ... and how few champions there are.

So you want to gp into the draft to get the chance at getting a guy who may end up as good as Randle is now.

You've shown me 19 guys picked in the top 5 who made it. That's 19 out of the 110 top 5 I showed you.

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

The majority of us want to keep Randle for at least another season though.

This is really you right now, seeing most of us rooting for Randle

This thread is 22 pages long, it's split down the middle, it wouldn't be this long of a thread if everyone were in agreement and rooting for him.

How much are you willing to pay Randle too, since you want him to be an all-star. I want it on the record damnit.

The thread is really about if he’s a #1 option though. That’s why it’s kinda long. And the people that do want him traded is cause they wanna tank. You on the other hand want him gone cause you think he’s holding back RJ

I wouldn’t max out Randle. But we have another year to evaluate him before paying him. So let’s see what happens

It's a long thread cause there's a lot of people saying he's not a cornerstone player and we should trade him, I didn't even need to get on the mic and spit my verse.


I want him gone so that we don't need to make a decision on his contract, you sell high on a player like this when you can and the biggest benefit is so we can start running offense through RJ so he can get reps with spacing. We need to determine what RJ is, whether he's a 1, 2 or 3, we wont know until he's put under the fire.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Because the 2 and 3 picks are worse

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Cmon man. How u gunna argue with the list of all time superstars and current superstars I’ve listed. 9 out of 10 times (if not more), you need a top 10 pick to land one. It’s just that simple. But the likelihood of getting more of a sure bet is higher if you have a higher pick.

Lebron- 1st
Durant- 2nd
ADavis- 1st
Steph- 7th
Harden- 3rd
Luka- 3rd
Embiid- 3rd
Simmons- 1st
Dame- 6th
Tatum- 3rd
Brown- 3rd
PG- 10th
Kyrie- 1st
KAT- 1st
Zion- 1st
Ja- 2nd
Fox- 5th
Trae- 5th
Ingram- 2nd
Beal- 3rd
Cp3- 4th
WB- 4th


Giannis, Kawhi, Jokic, and Booker taken outside the top 10.


Now go look at the legends list I posted. These are the facts. If you want to land a superstar, you’re way better off drafting them unless you’re loaded with assets to trade for one (we aren’t) or you have a terrific organization that stars wanna come to like LA (we have the opposite).


Facing the facts, we have to hope and pray our scouting is on point to land a star outside the top of the draft or make a trade for a borderline All-Star that Thibs and staff can push to the next level, like LaVine. Other than that, we ain’t getting to the next level ourselves.

I gave you the list. See you cherrypicked guys that wprked out. I gave you the top 5 each year for 22 years. You see how.many failures there are ... and how few champions there are.

So you want to gp into the draft to get the chance at getting a guy who may end up as good as Randle is now.

You've shown me 19 guys picked in the top 5 who made it. That's 19 out of the 110 top 5 I showed you.

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The only team the last 30 years to win a title without a lottery pick in their starting 5 are the Raptors, and they got the player that helped them do it by trading two former lottery picks.


Title teams are littered with high picks, the Raptors are the only exception to that rule. You draft in the lottery and you get franchise players more often than you do anywhere else. You draft in the top 5 and you are more likely to draft a HOFer than anywhere else, this isn't rocket science.

[prophet_of_rage]

This thread is 22 pages long, it's split down the middle, it wouldn't be this long of a thread if everyone were in agreement and rooting for him.

How much are you willing to pay Randle too, since you want him to be an all-star. I want it on the record damnit.

The thread is really about if he’s a #1 option though. That’s why it’s kinda long. And the people that do want him traded is cause they wanna tank. You on the other hand want him gone cause you think he’s holding back RJ

I wouldn’t max out Randle. But we have another year to evaluate him before paying him. So let’s see what happens

It's a long thread cause there's a lot of people saying he's not a cornerstone player and we should trade him, I didn't even need to get on the mic and spit my verse.


I want him gone so that we don't need to make a decision on his contract, you sell high on a player like this when you can and the biggest benefit is so we can start running offense through RJ so he can get reps with spacing. We need to determine what RJ is, whether he's a 1, 2 or 3, we wont know until he's put under the fire.

But then you'll want to trade him, too. And RJ is a swingman. That much is obvious.

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[3toheadmelo]

This thread is 22 pages long, it's split down the middle, it wouldn't be this long of a thread if everyone were in agreement and rooting for him.

How much are you willing to pay Randle too, since you want him to be an all-star. I want it on the record damnit.

The thread is really about if he’s a #1 option though. That’s why it’s kinda long. And the people that do want him traded is cause they wanna tank. You on the other hand want him gone cause you think he’s holding back RJ

I wouldn’t max out Randle. But we have another year to evaluate him before paying him. So let’s see what happens

It's a long thread cause there's a lot of people saying he's not a cornerstone player and we should trade him, I didn't even need to get on the mic and spit my verse.


I want him gone so that we don't need to make a decision on his contract, you sell high on a player like this when you can and the biggest benefit is so we can start running offense through RJ so he can get reps with spacing. We need to determine what RJ is, whether he's a 1, 2 or 3, we wont know until he's put under the fire.

And come on, I think it’s pretty obvious that RJ is a #2 or #3. Getting rid of Randle would be worse for RJ. Randle is getting him great looks when RJ can’t create. And also, Randle isn’t the problem for RJ’s spacing, considering Randle is shooting 40% from 3. It’s really Payton.

[Jalen Bluntson]

2nd to 5th overall picks

20 -- Wiseman, Ball, Williams, Okoro
19 -- Morant, Barrett, Hunter, Garland
18 -- Bagley, Doncic, Jackson Jr., Young
17 -- Ball, Tatum, Jackson, Fox
16 -- Ingram, Brown, Bender, Dunn
15 -- Russell, Okafor, Porzingis, Hezonja
14 -- Parker, Embiid, Gordon, Exum
13 -- Oladipo, Porter, Zeller, Lex
12 -- Kidd Gilchrist, Beal, Waiters, T. Robinson
11 -- Williams, Kanter, Thompson, Valanciunas
10 -- Turner, Favors, Johnson, Cousins
09 -- Thabeet, Harden, Evans, Rubio
08 -- Beasley, Mayo, Westbrook, Love
07 -- Durant, Horford, Conley Jr., Green
06 -- Aldridge, Morrison, Thomas, Williams
05 -- Williams, Williams, Paul, Felton
04 -- Okafor, Gordon, Livingston, Harris
03 -- Milicic, Anthony, Bosh, Wade
02 -- Williams, Dunleavy, Gooden, Tskitishvili
01 -- Chandler, Gasol, Curry, Richardson
00 -- Swift, Miles, Fizer, Miller
99 -- Francis, Davis, Odom, Bender
98 -- Bibby, LaFrentz, Jamison, Carter

Even going to five ... who are the franchise changers that led their teams to championships ... Wade and Durant. Bosh got titles teaming up.

So now that we've looked at the top 5 ... is tanking really that franchise changing?

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So several teams make terrible picks. Not surprised. The draft is all about scouting with some luck involved. Having the top pick means you can pick ANYONE before anyone else can.

I am not about the tank anymore because we never do it the right way anyway so...whatever. It still doesn't mean the top pick or at least a top 5 pick isn't better than picking 8-9 or beyond. It also doesn't guarantee anything if you do but...odds are better and you have no worries someone else picks your guy.

As for this team...if they learn to build a better more balanced roster some day...beyond draft picks...then we can be excited. Jury still out on that one.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The thread is really about if he’s a #1 option though. That’s why it’s kinda long. And the people that do want him traded is cause they wanna tank. You on the other hand want him gone cause you think he’s holding back RJ

I wouldn’t max out Randle. But we have another year to evaluate him before paying him. So let’s see what happens

It's a long thread cause there's a lot of people saying he's not a cornerstone player and we should trade him, I didn't even need to get on the mic and spit my verse.


I want him gone so that we don't need to make a decision on his contract, you sell high on a player like this when you can and the biggest benefit is so we can start running offense through RJ so he can get reps with spacing. We need to determine what RJ is, whether he's a 1, 2 or 3, we wont know until he's put under the fire.

And come on, I think it’s pretty obvious that RJ is a #2 or #3. Getting rid of Randle would be worse for RJ. Randle is getting him great looks when RJ can’t create. And also, Randle isn’t the problem for RJ’s spacing, considering Randle is shooting 40% from 3. It’s really Payton.

You think this thread is just people praising Randle?




22 pages of praise? COME ON MAN!

And I don't want RJ taking catch and shoot jumpers as much as he does, which he does because Randle is always on the ball. I want RJ on the ball more than he's on it, and that isn't just because of Payton, it's because of Randle. It's pretty obvious RJ is a 2 or 3, yet he has a net rating similar to Randle, which you just used to show why Randle is good, so is Randle a 2 or 3 and not a 1? If he's not a 1, why are we treating him like that? I got you, I win

[prophet_of_rage]

2nd to 5th overall picks

20 -- Wiseman, Ball, Williams, Okoro
19 -- Morant, Barrett, Hunter, Garland
18 -- Bagley, Doncic, Jackson Jr., Young
17 -- Ball, Tatum, Jackson, Fox
16 -- Ingram, Brown, Bender, Dunn
15 -- Russell, Okafor, Porzingis, Hezonja
14 -- Parker, Embiid, Gordon, Exum
13 -- Oladipo, Porter, Zeller, Lex
12 -- Kidd Gilchrist, Beal, Waiters, T. Robinson
11 -- Williams, Kanter, Thompson, Valanciunas
10 -- Turner, Favors, Johnson, Cousins
09 -- Thabeet, Harden, Evans, Rubio
08 -- Beasley, Mayo, Westbrook, Love
07 -- Durant, Horford, Conley Jr., Green
06 -- Aldridge, Morrison, Thomas, Williams
05 -- Williams, Williams, Paul, Felton
04 -- Okafor, Gordon, Livingston, Harris
03 -- Milicic, Anthony, Bosh, Wade
02 -- Williams, Dunleavy, Gooden, Tskitishvili
01 -- Chandler, Gasol, Curry, Richardson
00 -- Swift, Miles, Fizer, Miller
99 -- Francis, Davis, Odom, Bender
98 -- Bibby, LaFrentz, Jamison, Carter

Even going to five ... who are the franchise changers that led their teams to championships ... Wade and Durant. Bosh got titles teaming up.

So now that we've looked at the top 5 ... is tanking really that franchise changing?

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So several teams make terrible picks. Not surprised. The draft is all about scouting with some luck involved. Having the top pick means you can pick ANYONE before anyone else can.

I am not about the tank anymore because we never do it the right way anyway so...whatever. It still doesn't mean the top pick or at least a top 5 pick isn't better than picking 8-9 or beyond. It also doesn't guarantee anything if you do but...odds are better and you have no worries someone else picks your guy.

As for this team...if they learn to build a better more balanced roster some day...beyond draft picks...then we can be excited. Jury still out on that one.

I agree with the find the best talent idea. But overstating the draft is the way to do it is what I take issue with. Don't give away proven talent for potentially provable talent.

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PS. RJ is +1.5 using that stat, #FreeRJ

Randle plays 30-40 minutes with Elfrid **** Payton

[KnixtapeH20]

Lmfao if you made RJ the #1 option right you now you'd simply be setting him up for failure at the highest **** magnitude.

And i love the kid. Think he's a potential future all-star type. His mentality and ability to improve his FT"s so drastic and his **** when ppl were dogging him for a few weeks.

[dakomish23]

Cmon man. How u gunna argue with the list of all time superstars and current superstars I’ve listed. 9 out of 10 times (if not more), you need a top 10 pick to land one. It’s just that simple. But the likelihood of getting more of a sure bet is higher if you have a higher pick.

Lebron- 1st
Durant- 2nd
ADavis- 1st
Steph- 7th
Harden- 3rd
Luka- 3rd
Embiid- 3rd
Simmons- 1st
Dame- 6th
Tatum- 3rd
Brown- 3rd
PG- 10th
Kyrie- 1st
KAT- 1st
Zion- 1st
Ja- 2nd
Fox- 5th
Trae- 5th
Ingram- 2nd
Beal- 3rd
Cp3- 4th
WB- 4th


Giannis, Kawhi, Jokic, and Booker taken outside the top 10.


Now go look at the legends list I posted. These are the facts. If you want to land a superstar, you’re way better off drafting them unless you’re loaded with assets to trade for one (we aren’t) or you have a terrific organization that stars wanna come to like LA (we have the opposite).


Facing the facts, we have to hope and pray our scouting is on point to land a star outside the top of the draft or make a trade for a borderline All-Star that Thibs and staff can push to the next level, like LaVine. Other than that, we ain’t getting to the next level ourselves.

I gave you the list. See you cherrypicked guys that wprked out. I gave you the top 5 each year for 22 years. You see how.many failures there are ... and how few champions there are.

So you want to gp into the draft to get the chance at getting a guy who may end up as good as Randle is now.

You've shown me 19 guys picked in the top 5 who made it. That's 19 out of the 110 top 5 I showed you.

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The only team the last 30 years to win a title without a lottery pick in their starting 5 are the Raptors, and they got the player that helped them do it by trading two former lottery picks.


Title teams are littered with high picks, the Raptors are the only exception to that rule. You draft in the lottery and you get franchise players more often than you do anywhere else. You draft in the top 5 and you are more likely to draft a HOFer than anywhere else, this isn't rocket science.

Seems simple enough to me. I’m not even rooting for the tank (PTKLWTR) but the legends are mostly top 5 guys.

Make a list of all time greats 1-25 and you’re going to see 80% all top 5 picks. Maybe even higher.

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Sure we are happy to trade Randle for Luka + picks if you think that stat means that much.