2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2

[cgf]

We're a covid-pause or minor injury to Julius away from dropping to 4th in a draft that has 12 lotto kids who would be great for us. We're still more likely than not to leave this draft with some real talent. Short of the lotto gods hooking us up with a franchise changer or us/Dallas making a surprise late-season run; the biggest difference will be just how long whoever we draft, will need to be ready.

...which is a concern that can be mitigated by signing Gary Trent Jr or Talen Horton-Tucker this summer to finish off the starting lineup alongside Mitch, Julius, RJ & IQ -- assuming IQ continues to develop & can earn the starting gig for next season -- allowing us to take our time grooming any talents we bring in before thrusting them into major roles.

[knickstape4ever]

They don’t have to get in the playoffs to still miss out on him they not in the playoffs now. unless luka gets injured they are going to hover around the later part of the lottery. Luka has proven he is good enough to put them on winning streaks every couple of games.

We’ll see.. them dallas boys play zero defense so I don’t think it’s a big reach to say their pick will be top 10 imo.

Remember a few years ago when the clippers had the 12th and 13th picks? That’s kinda what I’m expecting from our picks this year. You know it’s gonna happen that both us and the Mavs to finish 9th in our respective conferences. I would think that’s enough assets to get us to 7 or 8 with trade to get Bouknight. If not let’s stand pat and draft both kids from Tennessee. I’m still hopeful that cuz the West is better than the East that getting into the top 10 will be easier for us.

Obi could also be used to move up if Randle is the long-term PF

[cgf]

We’ll see.. them dallas boys play zero defense so I don’t think it’s a big reach to say their pick will be top 10 imo.

Remember a few years ago when the clippers had the 12th and 13th picks? That’s kinda what I’m expecting from our picks this year. You know it’s gonna happen that both us and the Mavs to finish 9th in our respective conferences. I would think that’s enough assets to get us to 7 or 8 with trade to get Bouknight. If not let’s stand pat and draft both kids from Tennessee. I’m still hopeful that cuz the West is better than the East that getting into the top 10 will be easier for us.

Obi could also be used to move up if Randle is the long-term PF

I kinda doubt Obi will have the kind of value to move us up a tier. He needs to develop some more & prove he's going to be successful in the NBA before teams assign enough value to him for him to move the needle significantly. Just like with Julius, it's too early for trading him to make much sense.

[knickstape4ever]

Remember a few years ago when the clippers had the 12th and 13th picks? That’s kinda what I’m expecting from our picks this year. You know it’s gonna happen that both us and the Mavs to finish 9th in our respective conferences. I would think that’s enough assets to get us to 7 or 8 with trade to get Bouknight. If not let’s stand pat and draft both kids from Tennessee. I’m still hopeful that cuz the West is better than the East that getting into the top 10 will be easier for us.

Obi could also be used to move up if Randle is the long-term PF

I kinda doubt Obi will have the kind of value to move us up a tier. He needs to develop some more & prove he's going to be successful in the NBA before teams assign enough value to him for him to move the needle significantly. Just like with Julius, it's too early for trading him to make much sense.

I think he can move us up a few spots, from maybe a 11/12 to a 7/8

disagreed. Obi's value will decline if he's relegated to 10-15min

[cgf]

Obi could also be used to move up if Randle is the long-term PF

I kinda doubt Obi will have the kind of value to move us up a tier. He needs to develop some more & prove he's going to be successful in the NBA before teams assign enough value to him for him to move the needle significantly. Just like with Julius, it's too early for trading him to make much sense.

I think he can move us up a few spots, from maybe a 11/12 to a 7/8

disagreed. Obi's value will decline if he's relegated to 10-15min

I can not agree that Obi's value could decline if he improves enough to establishes himself as a legit NBAer.

[Capn'O]

Anyone have thoughts on Alperen Sengun? His moves look very advanced, though he has no hops.

[Capn'O]

I think Bouknight is the guy I want in our range, especially if we miss out on Lavine

I don’t think he is in our range. He will be drafted in the top 10 easily. He is the most ready made scorer out of the wings. his range is from 6~10 which will be hard for us to get into, Knicks play enough defense to push them lower.

The mocks are really all over the place on him.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Read on Twitter

Interesting notes from Wasserman about a few of our favorites. I guess scouts aren’t as high on my boy Jared Springer as I am but they love Keon Johnson

[cgf]

Read on Twitter

Interesting notes from Wasserman about a few of our favorites. I guess scouts aren’t as high on my boy Jared Springer as I am but they love Keon Johnson

Can't say I blame them

He & Ziaire just have so much talent and seem to be on the right paths to making good on their upside...even if they won't get there as quickly as the Cade's, Kuminga's, & Bouknight's of this class.

[3toheadmelo]

I’m not really feeling them Tennessee kids..-ducks-

[jvsimonetti0514]

Bouknight vs nova is on Fox 1 and Tennessee vs Kentucky on Cbs at the same time

[jvsimonetti0514]

Read on Twitter

Interesting notes from Wasserman about a few of our favorites. I guess scouts aren’t as high on my boy Jared Springer as I am but they love Keon Johnson

Can't say I blame them

He & Ziaire just have so much talent and seem to be on the right paths to making good on their upside...even if they won't get there as quickly as the Cade's, Kuminga's, & Bouknight's of this class.

There’s a much more interesting back half of the top 10 in this draft than there was last year. I mean really after the top 3 last year things were pretty meh

[cgf]

I’m not really feeling them Tennessee kids..-ducks-

I mean both have valid concerns as prospects...there's a reason why both are just outside of my top 10; though I've been debating bumping someone for Keon...so I totally get not being in on them.

Keon's raw & he'll need time, while his shot -- though showing very nice progress -- still has a wide range of possible results; which could make him a less than ideal fit for our roster if he maxes out towards the lower end of that range. And Springer's not an elite athlete, with non-elite length or shooting, and he's displayed tunnel-vision in some games that had me questioning his playmaking/vision.

But for me, their selling points are intriguing enough for me to be in on both...especially when considering that they are two of the youngest players in this class, along with Kuminga & Moody.

Johnson's up there with Green & Lewis for the crown of best athlete in this class, an excellent defender with a good head on his shoulders, who has shown significant skill progression over the past year...with a handle that'll get him where he wants to go with his athleticism & a shot that looks very workable. There's a ways for him to go to get there, but the pieces of the next Morant / Fox / Rose / Westbrook -like crazy-athletic guard are all there...and he seems like the kind of kid to make good on his potential.

While Springer reminds me a lot of a mini-RJ with his strength & mature bully-ball game when attacking. And just like I didn't see the playmaking with RJ at first, I've started to see that recognition & passing ability from Springer to use his penetration to create open looks on the outside. While also being a very good defender & resilient kid.

[jvsimonetti0514]

So Bouknight is awesome and we should try to trade up to get him

[3toheadmelo]

I’m not really feeling them Tennessee kids..-ducks-

I mean both have valid concerns as prospects...there's a reason why both are just outside of my top 10; though I've been debating bumping someone for Keon...so I totally get not being in on them.

Keon's raw & he'll need time, while his shot -- though showing very nice progress -- still has a wide range of possible results; which could make him a less than ideal fit for our roster if he maxes out towards the lower end of that range. And Springer's not an elite athlete, with non-elite length or shooting, and he's displayed tunnel-vision in some games that had me questioning his playmaking/vision.

But for me, their selling points are intriguing enough for me to be in on both...especially when considering that they are two of the youngest players in this class, along with Kuminga & Moody.

Johnson's up there with Green & Lewis for the crown of best athlete in this class, an excellent defender with a good head on his shoulders, who has shown significant skill progression over the past year...with a handle that'll get him where he wants to go with his athleticism & a shot that looks very workable. There's a ways for him to go to get there, but the pieces of the next Morant / Fox / Rose / Westbrook -like crazy-athletic guard are all there...and he seems like the kind of kid to make good on his potential.

While Springer reminds me a lot of a mini-RJ with his strength & mature bully-ball game when attacking. And just like I didn't see the playmaking with RJ at first, I've started to see that recognition & passing ability from Springer to use his penetration to create open looks on the outside. While also being a very good defender & resilient kid, who has been growing a lot during his hot streak.

They’re decent prospects for sure and have some potential.. but I prefer someone like Bouknight.

Bouknight already has 14 points against Villanova and its halftime

[cgf]

I’m not really feeling them Tennessee kids..-ducks-

I mean both have valid concerns as prospects...there's a reason why both are just outside of my top 10; though I've been debating bumping someone for Keon...so I totally get not being in on them.

Keon's raw & he'll need time, while his shot -- though showing very nice progress -- still has a wide range of possible results; which could make him a less than ideal fit for our roster if he maxes out towards the lower end of that range. And Springer's not an elite athlete, with non-elite length or shooting, and he's displayed tunnel-vision in some games that had me questioning his playmaking/vision.

But for me, their selling points are intriguing enough for me to be in on both...especially when considering that they are two of the youngest players in this class, along with Kuminga & Moody.

Johnson's up there with Green & Lewis for the crown of best athlete in this class, an excellent defender with a good head on his shoulders, who has shown significant skill progression over the past year...with a handle that'll get him where he wants to go with his athleticism & a shot that looks very workable. There's a ways for him to go to get there, but the pieces of the next Morant / Fox / Rose / Westbrook -like crazy-athletic guard are all there...and he seems like the kind of kid to make good on his potential.

While Springer reminds me a lot of a mini-RJ with his strength & mature bully-ball game when attacking. And just like I didn't see the playmaking with RJ at first, I've started to see that recognition & passing ability from Springer to use his penetration to create open looks on the outside. While also being a very good defender & resilient kid, who has been growing a lot during his hot streak.

They’re decent prospects for sure and have some potential.. but I prefer someone like Bouknight.

Bouknight already has 14 points against Villanova and its halftime

No arguments there. Bouknight is right behind the top 5; the tennessee kids are fighting to crack the top 10.

[3toheadmelo]

I mean both have valid concerns as prospects...there's a reason why both are just outside of my top 10; though I've been debating bumping someone for Keon...so I totally get not being in on them.

Keon's raw & he'll need time, while his shot -- though showing very nice progress -- still has a wide range of possible results; which could make him a less than ideal fit for our roster if he maxes out towards the lower end of that range. And Springer's not an elite athlete, with non-elite length or shooting, and he's displayed tunnel-vision in some games that had me questioning his playmaking/vision.

But for me, their selling points are intriguing enough for me to be in on both...especially when considering that they are two of the youngest players in this class, along with Kuminga & Moody.

Johnson's up there with Green & Lewis for the crown of best athlete in this class, an excellent defender with a good head on his shoulders, who has shown significant skill progression over the past year...with a handle that'll get him where he wants to go with his athleticism & a shot that looks very workable. There's a ways for him to go to get there, but the pieces of the next Morant / Fox / Rose / Westbrook -like crazy-athletic guard are all there...and he seems like the kind of kid to make good on his potential.

While Springer reminds me a lot of a mini-RJ with his strength & mature bully-ball game when attacking. And just like I didn't see the playmaking with RJ at first, I've started to see that recognition & passing ability from Springer to use his penetration to create open looks on the outside. While also being a very good defender & resilient kid, who has been growing a lot during his hot streak.

They’re decent prospects for sure and have some potential.. but I prefer someone like Bouknight.

Bouknight already has 14 points against Villanova and its halftime

No arguments there. Bouknight is right behind the top 5; the tennessee kids are fighting to crack the top 10.

Interestingly enough, DX has Bouknight at #11 in their mock draft, Keon at #6 and Wasserman has both Tennesse kids in his top 10 for his draft board with Bouknight at #11

[3toheadmelo]

Bouknight playing hurt and he’s cold now

[3toheadmelo]

Bouknight struggling. Villanova throwing double teams at him and he’s playing hurt. Hopefully this drops his draft stock lol

[cgf]

They’re decent prospects for sure and have some potential.. but I prefer someone like Bouknight.

Bouknight already has 14 points against Villanova and its halftime

No arguments there. Bouknight is right behind the top 5; the tennessee kids are fighting to crack the top 10.

Interestingly enough, DX has Bouknight at #11 in their mock draft, Keon at #6 and Wasserman has both Tennesse kids in his top 10 for his draft board with Bouknight at #11

Are the injuries issues worse than they seem? Unless he's just awful off the court, that's the only other explanation I can think of for having Bouknight that low.