Lonzo Ball Thread (UPDATE: Bulls Offer Sato + 2nd Round picks)

[fleet]

Man, giving Lonzo $20m per year is a sickening thought.

I sure hope all of the "Lonzo to Chicago" stuff is coming from Ball's camp. The Bulls being truly interested in him would make me question AK's competence, particularly at the price tags being thrown around.

That's why I want to trade for him. You get to try before you buy, and IIRC, we'd pick up his RFA matching rights, so we can let the market decide, and then decide to match or not.

I absolutely do not understand the interest. If you want someone to bring the ball up and pass it to other people, just play Satoransky.

Satoransky 15.4PER 65.1%ts 32.8%ast 7.6%r 23.4%tov
Ball 14.1PER 54.7%ts 21.6%ast 8.0%r 13.8%tov

I mean, everyone knows Sato is basically outplaying Ball, right? Just because the team is trying to force feed Coby entitlement minutes doesn't change the fact that Sato has played well when he is on the court and the team has too.

At a minimum, the difference between Sato and Ball isn't so great that he is worth $20m per year or trading assets. Just play the guy you have for half the price.

Seasonal averages are one thing, but Lonzo has seemingly raised his game a level above anything Sato is capable able to do. Since Lonzo came back from injury and was put on the trade block, he’s legit. So that is what you'd be hoping to add to the lineup.

[The Box Office]

Lonzo Ball can do a lot of things that Sato cannot do. Simply bringing up the ball and passing to other people? ANY NBA pro can do that. That's not the only thing we're getting with Lonzo if he's here. If you don't know what Lonzo brings, I suggest to re-read this thread again and remove your anti-Lonzo agenda.

Sato is cool, but there is NO WAY that he can put the numbers that Lonzo can put up as a starting point guard. Sato had his chance last season to show everyone that he can do it AND he could not do it. Sato's time as a starting NBA point guard is finished. The only way he starts now is Coby White getting injured.

I'm a stats guy myself, but stats do not show the entire picture. Lonzo Ball can explode statistically in some games while Sato cannot do that. I'm still for this trade if it's available.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Lonzo and Sato are very similar players. Imo both players could be much better players but from various reasons they arent, at least yet. My biggest issue with Sato is his passivenes and hockey passes. Man i wish he plays with Denzel mindset and confidence, to shot every time he is open and to go catch bodies in paint. Sato who shows up against Washington is starting pointguard in Nba. His biggest problem playing way to conservativley.

[Chi town]

Lonzo with 21 and 12 assists. No Turnovers and 3 steals.

I think he’s our floor FA.

[DroseReturnChi]

Man, giving Lonzo $20m per year is a sickening thought.

I sure hope all of the "Lonzo to Chicago" stuff is coming from Ball's camp. The Bulls being truly interested in him would make me question AK's competence, particularly at the price tags being thrown around.

That's why I want to trade for him. You get to try before you buy, and IIRC, we'd pick up his RFA matching rights, so we can let the market decide, and then decide to match or not.

I absolutely do not understand the interest. If you want someone to bring the ball up and pass it to other people, just play Satoransky.

Satoransky 15.4PER 65.1%ts 32.8%ast 7.6%r 23.4%tov
Ball 14.1PER 54.7%ts 21.6%ast 8.0%r 13.8%tov

I mean, everyone knows Sato is basically outplaying Ball, right? Just because the team is trying to force feed Coby entitlement minutes doesn't change the fact that Sato has played well when he is on the court and the team has too.

At a minimum, the difference between Sato and Ball isn't so great that he is worth $20m per year or trading assets. Just play the guy you have for half the price.

The difference is sato cannot play as full time while lonzo can.

[coldfish]

That's why I want to trade for him. You get to try before you buy, and IIRC, we'd pick up his RFA matching rights, so we can let the market decide, and then decide to match or not.

I absolutely do not understand the interest. If you want someone to bring the ball up and pass it to other people, just play Satoransky.

Satoransky 15.4PER 65.1%ts 32.8%ast 7.6%r 23.4%tov
Ball 14.1PER 54.7%ts 21.6%ast 8.0%r 13.8%tov

I mean, everyone knows Sato is basically outplaying Ball, right? Just because the team is trying to force feed Coby entitlement minutes doesn't change the fact that Sato has played well when he is on the court and the team has too.

At a minimum, the difference between Sato and Ball isn't so great that he is worth $20m per year or trading assets. Just play the guy you have for half the price.

The difference is sato cannot play as full time while lonzo can.

Sato started almost every game last season and averaged 29mpg.

Per 36 this season
Sato 11.8p 8.4a 4.8r 1.1s 2.5tov 64%ts
Ball 16.5p 5.8a 4.9r 1.5s 2.3tov 56%ts

Just in general, the fact that Coby is starting over Sato is a full on tank move at this point.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

I absolutely do not understand the interest. If you want someone to bring the ball up and pass it to other people, just play Satoransky.

Satoransky 15.4PER 65.1%ts 32.8%ast 7.6%r 23.4%tov
Ball 14.1PER 54.7%ts 21.6%ast 8.0%r 13.8%tov

I mean, everyone knows Sato is basically outplaying Ball, right? Just because the team is trying to force feed Coby entitlement minutes doesn't change the fact that Sato has played well when he is on the court and the team has too.

At a minimum, the difference between Sato and Ball isn't so great that he is worth $20m per year or trading assets. Just play the guy you have for half the price.

The difference is sato cannot play as full time while lonzo can.

Sato started almost every game last season and averaged 29mpg.

Per 36 this season
Sato 11.8p 8.4a 4.8r 1.1s 2.5tov 64%ts
Ball 16.5p 5.8a 4.9r 1.5s 2.3tov 56%ts

Just in general, the fact that Coby is starting over Sato is a full on tank move at this point.

So true. It just doesn’t sense anymore, it’s gotten to the point it’s effecting Cobys confidence.

Coby had a contusion last night and it’s a back to back, wonder if this is the reason Billy needs to make this switch.

[fleet]

I absolutely do not understand the interest. If you want someone to bring the ball up and pass it to other people, just play Satoransky.

Satoransky 15.4PER 65.1%ts 32.8%ast 7.6%r 23.4%tov
Ball 14.1PER 54.7%ts 21.6%ast 8.0%r 13.8%tov

I mean, everyone knows Sato is basically outplaying Ball, right? Just because the team is trying to force feed Coby entitlement minutes doesn't change the fact that Sato has played well when he is on the court and the team has too.

At a minimum, the difference between Sato and Ball isn't so great that he is worth $20m per year or trading assets. Just play the guy you have for half the price.

The difference is sato cannot play as full time while lonzo can.

Sato started almost every game last season and averaged 29mpg.

Per 36 this season
Sato 11.8p 8.4a 4.8r 1.1s 2.5tov 64%ts
Ball 16.5p 5.8a 4.9r 1.5s 2.3tov 56%ts

Just in general, the fact that Coby is starting over Sato is a full on tank move at this point.

Sato has never played at Lonzo’s current level. Which Lonzo has sustained for awhile now.

[coldfish]

The difference is sato cannot play as full time while lonzo can.

Sato started almost every game last season and averaged 29mpg.

Per 36 this season
Sato 11.8p 8.4a 4.8r 1.1s 2.5tov 64%ts
Ball 16.5p 5.8a 4.9r 1.5s 2.3tov 56%ts

Just in general, the fact that Coby is starting over Sato is a full on tank move at this point.

Sato has never played at Lonzo’s current level. Which Lonzo has sustained for awhile now.

Its basically this month.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/4066421/lonzo-ball

He has average 16.3p 4.6a 5.0r on good shooting. Last November, Sato averaged 11 6 and 4 on 50%fg and 46%3p. In March of 19 he averaged 11 7 and 5. Both of which were with slightly less minutes.

Regardless, maybe the Bulls can pair Februlauri with Februlonzo and they can win every February for the next 4 years. Won't get them anywhere in general but those Feburaries will be worth it.

[fleet]

Lonzo with 21 and 12 assists. No Turnovers and 3 steals.

I think he’s our floor FA.

He’s making a statement

[DroseReturnChi]

Lonzo with 21 and 12 assists. No Turnovers and 3 steals.

I think he’s our floor FA.

I feel like hes trying his best after the match with Bulls.
Its almost he lusts Chicago and Lauri to be the next great duo.
Just imagine Lonzo dropping dimes cross halfcourt to a wide open Lauri splash or a windmill dunk.


Currently, im ignoring this version of Bulls until a major trade comes. This current core isnt making playoffs unless Lonzo feeds Lauri as the main option. Seriously, if we are missing top prospects rather trade for Ball for a 7 seed playoff push and draft next Joe Harris Krispert. A young core of Ball-Lauri-Williams-Krispert is just one of the best you can assemble and making a BKN type playoff splash. Ball doesnt even need to shoot he just has to feed those elite sharpshooters waiting in the corner. Assuming they all 4 become borderline all stars, theres a chance 2 all nbas pair up like BKN did.

[coldfish]

Right now I think Lonzo is doing his best for Chicago.

In that, I mean that the Pels are 12-17 despite Zion playing at a ridiculously high level. Ingram too. By being so terrible at setting people up and an offensive liability, Lonzo is forcing Zion to go 1 on 3 and score every time. Its a matter of time before Zion demands out and when he looks around the league, he is going to be thinking Chicago because of Lavine.

The Bulls aren't going to be good until they have an elite big man to go with their elite perimeter guy. Hell I would take Ingram too.

NOP knows Ball sucks, which is why they are shopping him and probably won't give him a contract. Hopefully Ball can continue to screw up NOP enough that Chicago can pick off one of their good players when they miss the playoffs.

/s

[sco]

IMO, Ball has become too good for NO to trade him for Lauri. Sad. F that piece of tissue paper Markkanen. He is single-handedly destroying our season and future.

[Repeat 3-peat]

I'm sure the rumors will pick back up close to the deadline. Noted plenty of times before, I hope the Bulls also ask about Adams. He would bring size and toughness in the paint. The Donovan connection is there.

[BahamaBull]

I'm sure the rumors will pick back up close to the deadline. Noted plenty of times before, I hope the Bulls also ask about Adams. He would bring size and toughness in the paint. The Donovan connection is there.

I hope the donavan connection brings Beal and not Adams...

Cant understand all the hype on Lonzo...Like he is a poing god or something...Hope he stays in NO so we wont overpay his ass...

[Michael Jackson]

Lonzo has been linked to Chicago for what 2 years now? Maybe GarPax were interested and that’s just shadows of this but still smells like Lonzo’s camp starts these rumors for some reason

[CaPiTanAK]

LOL The hate for Ball ballers is unreal. Haters shut up about LaMelo already. Haters will soon shut up about Lonzo too.

[nomorezorro]

lonzo is an inconsistent role player who may or may not be a good fit for this team. i am open to the idea of acquiring him but cannot fathom why anyone would be hyperinvested in getting him on the bulls, other than the fact people in general have bizarre strong opinions about lonzo ball

[gobullschi]

It's hard to give up an asset for a player that seems destined to leave New Orleans. He will be on his third team before he turns 24. I'm sure he would prefer some stability. He is going to sign with the team of his choosing in the offseason.

The Bulls might be one of the best fits.

[PaKii94]

NOP was mis using lonzo at the beginning of the season. After coming back from injury these are his numbers (17 games, 30mpg):

(p36) 18.4p/5r/6.4a/2.3stocks, 60%TS, 43 3pt% on 9.7 3pa, 2.4 ast/TO%

That would be a really useful player to have for playmaking, shooting, defense. He's still only 23. We could lock him up for his prime for cheap.

I was not a fan of lonzo due to his high school draft hype and his family business but I think he's getting underrated now.