Julius Randle IS a 'cornerstone' player

[br7knicks]

Me saying he wasn't terrible was being nice. He got his and he could play well enough but...he SUCKED when it came to the team. He wouldn't pass. Couldn't shoot the three. Turned the ball over in spin cycle mode quarter after quarter... game after game. That's a fact. I don't care what the reasons/excuses are for how he played. He got his and it hurt the team. There are valid reasons why a lot of people here wanted him gone. He played NOTHING like this season last year.

If you think he was good player for us... you're lying or you must have stopped watching for a year.

I think it's fair to say that everyone sees what they want to see.

Goes for me, and everyone.

The truth and evidence is there in the game footage

Yep - but it also helps to have to some comprehension of the game of basketball.

yup, not everyone does

[thebuzzardman]

I'd say, on the whole, it pays to be in the top 5, but then you have to know what you are doing as a team, scouting wise, and also get lucky.

[br7knicks]

Me saying he wasn't terrible was being nice. He got his and he could play well enough but...he SUCKED when it came to the team. He wouldn't pass. Couldn't shoot the three. Turned the ball over in spin cycle mode quarter after quarter... game after game. That's a fact. I don't care what the reasons/excuses are for how he played. He got his and it hurt the team. There are valid reasons why a lot of people here wanted him gone. He played NOTHING like this season last year.

If you think he was good player for us... you're lying or you must have stopped watching for a year.

I think it's fair to say that everyone sees what they want to see.

Goes for me, and everyone.

The truth and evidence is there in the game footage

Agreed. The other side of it is...we did have terrible coaching at first last year. Then we didn't really have much better under Miller but there was improvement. Randle was just doing what was asked of him with no real direction. This season....Thibs has him doing...basically what fiz was talking about to a point.....but much better and playing better defense. Night and day.

That's where the line is. People who support Randle feel the need to ignore what he actually played like and...have issues with people who didn't like the way he played last season. As if we are wrong about it.

pretty much. having thibs and playing to randle's strengths has definitely helped him. but people ignore what he actually played like last year. which is fine. again, people see what they want to see and believe what they want to.

there's a reason the vast majority of people here, as well as sports analysts, point out how bad randle was last year compared to this year.

it's a great change, seeing how much better randle is playing compared to last year. i'm becoming a fan - other than those moments where he goes full '19-20 mode and would rather spin move into 3 people instead of playing the style of basketball that gave the knicks the lead in the first place.

but those don't happen as often as they did all of last year, nearly every possession, under fiz, and a lot under miller

[Reign23]

I was just comparing Randles and Vucevics all star case. damn is this close, both players would deserve it, no doubt.

Randle: 36.7 min / 23.2 pts / 10.9 reb / 5.5 ast / 0.7 stl / 0.2 blk / 3.3 To and 48/40.7/80.2 splits
Vucevic: 33.6 min / 23.4 pts / 11.6 reb / 3.4 ast / 1.1 stl / 0.6 blk / 1.7 to and 47.6/41.4/81.6 splits

I think the I would give Vuc the nod with the slighest margin. We have a better record, but not by much and the injury luck couldn't be more separated.

[br7knicks]

I think it's fair to say that everyone sees what they want to see.

Goes for me, and everyone.

The truth and evidence is there in the game footage

Agreed. The other side of it is...we did have terrible coaching at first last year. Then we didn't really have much better under Miller but there was improvement. Randle was just doing what was asked of him with no real direction. This season....Thibs has him doing...basically what fiz was talking about to a point.....but much better and playing better defense. Night and day.

That's where the line is. People who support Randle feel the need to ignore what he actually played like and...have issues with people who didn't like the way he played last season. As if we are wrong about it.

It's not that he was playing great last year. The argument was or at least should ne that the fans needed ti be patient as he learned a new role under a coach that gave him all the rope in the world tp figure it out.

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i think a lot of us fans would've been on board with randle, last year, if he learned from his mistakes and stopped making poor decisions as often as he did each game last season.

it's a lot like knox. knox started his career poorly, but never seemed to want to fix his mistakes. that's what randle was like. when players look to fix their mistakes, and play smarter and better, it's easier to root for them. hence why randle is easy to root for this season.


but having thibs instead of fiz has definitely helped randle. i'm hoping he continues this style and level of play and the knicks pick him up next year. i actually am more on board with not trading randle at this point, short of acquiring a top 3 pick in the draft this year.

other than a few lapses in judgements in games, he has played amazingly, and has been fun to watch. overall, it'd be silly for any knicks fan to want to move randle for anything short of future top draft picks (if that's the route you want to take).


as much as i'm on board with building for the future, i think randle as a cornerstone is a good idea, IF he continues to play like this and NOT like randle from last year.

[Fat Kat]

[br7knicks]

I was just comparing Randles and Vucevics all star case. damn is this close, both players would deserve it, no doubt.

Randle: 36.7 min / 23.2 pts / 10.9 reb / 5.5 ast / 0.7 stl / 0.2 blk / 3.3 To and 48/40.7/80.2 splits
Vucevic: 33.6 min / 23.4 pts / 11.6 reb / 3.4 ast / 1.1 stl / 0.6 blk / 1.7 to and 47.6/41.4/81.6 splits

I think the I would give Vuc the nod with the slighest margin. We have a better record, but not by much and the injury luck couldn't be more separated.

i see your point. you're right about the injuries. i disagree though, and would rather give the nod to randle.

i think randle has had a much bigger impact on his team.

not that this should be a factor, but i think the knicks were expected to be a bottom 3 team in the east, whereas the magic were projected to make a run for the PO.

i may just be biased, too, though.

[Reign23]

I was just comparing Randles and Vucevics all star case. damn is this close, both players would deserve it, no doubt.

Randle: 36.7 min / 23.2 pts / 10.9 reb / 5.5 ast / 0.7 stl / 0.2 blk / 3.3 To and 48/40.7/80.2 splits
Vucevic: 33.6 min / 23.4 pts / 11.6 reb / 3.4 ast / 1.1 stl / 0.6 blk / 1.7 to and 47.6/41.4/81.6 splits

I think the I would give Vuc the nod with the slighest margin. We have a better record, but not by much and the injury luck couldn't be more separated.

i see your point. you're right about the injuries. i disagree though, and would rather give the nod to randle.

i think randle has had a much bigger impact on his team.

not that this should be a factor, but i think the knicks were expected to be a bottom 3 team in the east, whereas the magic were projected to make a run for the PO.

i may just be biased, too, though.

I agree that you also could give the nod to randle, it is really close, but can't hold the magics record againt vuc. Fultz and Isaac both have torn ACLs. Gordon is out for weeks now. Fournier has played half of the games and now even cole anthony is out. It is really almost impossible to have worse injury luck.

[Reign23]

I think 4 of Butler, Tatum, Bam, Hayward, Randle, Sabonis, Vuc and Grant can get in. this is insane tbh.
I think I would cut out Butler because of games played and Grant because of team record. But every single player on that list deserves a nomination...

[br7knicks]

I was just comparing Randles and Vucevics all star case. damn is this close, both players would deserve it, no doubt.

Randle: 36.7 min / 23.2 pts / 10.9 reb / 5.5 ast / 0.7 stl / 0.2 blk / 3.3 To and 48/40.7/80.2 splits
Vucevic: 33.6 min / 23.4 pts / 11.6 reb / 3.4 ast / 1.1 stl / 0.6 blk / 1.7 to and 47.6/41.4/81.6 splits

I think the I would give Vuc the nod with the slighest margin. We have a better record, but not by much and the injury luck couldn't be more separated.

i see your point. you're right about the injuries. i disagree though, and would rather give the nod to randle.

i think randle has had a much bigger impact on his team.

not that this should be a factor, but i think the knicks were expected to be a bottom 3 team in the east, whereas the magic were projected to make a run for the PO.

i may just be biased, too, though.

I agree that you also could give the nod to randle, it is really close, but can't hold the magics record againt vuc. Fultz and Isaac both have torn ACLs. Gordon is out for weeks now. Fournier has played half of the games and now even cole anthony is out. It is really almost impossible to have worse injury luck.

yeah, i agree with that part, with the injuries. they've had a rough go with all of that.


to me it just seems like the surprise and the impact randle has had on the unforeseen "success" of the knicks has been great

yeah, either one could get the nod. i also think non-knicks fans are noticing randle and how much he's helped out this year so far.

[Jalen Bluntson]

When did I say they come around often?

I don’t fault anyone for wanting to be in position to get one

So say your 1-25. Looking forward to seeing Rodman on the list.

Does tanking in this year get you an all time great? You're saying that this draft class is all time great?

And Rodman would only appear in my top 25 if I went by position not overall talent.

But again, is it worth throwing away this year and a talent like Randle for a talent that may or.may not even be better than RJ? And then what?

But here we go ... by position

C
1. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Hakeem Olajuwon
4. Shaquille O'Neal
5. Bill Russell

PF
1. Tim Duncan
2. Karl Malone
3. Charles Barkley
4. Dennis Rodman
5. Kevin McHale

SF
1. Lebron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Larry Bird
4. Scottie Pippen
5. Kawhi Leonard

SG
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Dwayne Wade
4. Jerry West
5. James Harden

PG
1. Magic Johnson
2. Isiaiah Thomas
3. Steph Curry
4. Jason Kidd
5. John Stockton


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Don't let spree2kawhi see this list. He'll tell you that Harden, Klay and McGrady are all better than Wade.

Where the fuq is Dr J?

[3toheadmelo]

[Tarantaraptars]

I wonder if he gets allstar considerations

[br7knicks]

I wonder if he gets allstar considerations

He definitely should. He's been playing great this season.

Other teams and analysts are noticing and talking about him - he was laughed at last season.

I'll bet money that he'll get some consideration, or votes, from those who round out the rest of the rosters

[Stannis]

Randle gets the super max. End of story.

[DaGawd]

I mean even the inside the NBA crew on TNT unanimously voted Randle as an all star.. I’d say that bodes well for his chances

[prophet_of_rage]

Agreed. The other side of it is...we did have terrible coaching at first last year. Then we didn't really have much better under Miller but there was improvement. Randle was just doing what was asked of him with no real direction. This season....Thibs has him doing...basically what fiz was talking about to a point.....but much better and playing better defense. Night and day.

That's where the line is. People who support Randle feel the need to ignore what he actually played like and...have issues with people who didn't like the way he played last season. As if we are wrong about it.

It's not that he was playing great last year. The argument was or at least should ne that the fans needed ti be patient as he learned a new role under a coach that gave him all the rope in the world tp figure it out.

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i think a lot of us fans would've been on board with randle, last year, if he learned from his mistakes and stopped making poor decisions as often as he did each game last season.

it's a lot like knox. knox started his career poorly, but never seemed to want to fix his mistakes. that's what randle was like. when players look to fix their mistakes, and play smarter and better, it's easier to root for them. hence why randle is easy to root for this season.


but having thibs instead of fiz has definitely helped randle. i'm hoping he continues this style and level of play and the knicks pick him up next year. i actually am more on board with not trading randle at this point, short of acquiring a top 3 pick in the draft this year.

other than a few lapses in judgements in games, he has played amazingly, and has been fun to watch. overall, it'd be silly for any knicks fan to want to move randle for anything short of future top draft picks (if that's the route you want to take).


as much as i'm on board with building for the future, i think randle as a cornerstone is a good idea, IF he continues to play like this and NOT like randle from last year.

The difference between Fiz and Thibs is Thibs is a dad coach while Fiz is a brother coach. Thibs will demand where Fiz will suggest and let ypu figure it out.

That works if you're Lebron not if you're Randle. Fiz was alsonrebounding from being losing his Memphis lockerroom whereas Thibs has never given a crap about that.

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[3toheadmelo]

Thats pretty much trash when you consider the position on the floor he was last year, in the offensive system we ran (none) and the lineup/spacing we had around him.

If you don't think the conclusion for most posters was that he was terrible, or close to it, you're lying or or have been away from the boards for 1.5 years and fortunately missed out on some 'quality' analysis.

Me saying he wasn't terrible was being nice. He got his and he could play well enough but...he SUCKED when it came to the team. He wouldn't pass. Couldn't shoot the three. Turned the ball over in spin cycle mode quarter after quarter... game after game. That's a fact. I don't care what the reasons/excuses are for how he played. He got his and it hurt the team. There are valid reasons why a lot of people here wanted him gone. He played NOTHING like this season last year.

If you think he was good player for us... you're lying or you must have stopped watching for a year.

Those reasons you don't care about, are legit reasons that can help player perform better and teams play better basketball. Like we are literally seeing right now.

So Randle has gone from completely sucking to an all star caliber player? No.

He had a horrific start from 3 (8%) in the first month, last year but was trending back in the right direction, shooting 39% post all star break.

Of course he can pass, he has 6 triple doubles before he came to NY, and they ain't from blocking shots.

Pretty sure MJ and Lebron have used the spin move before too

A game under Miller below.

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Yep Randle was a lot better under Miller

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[Deeeez Knicks]

Randle def deserves to be an allstar. Seems like most media lists i have seen have him in. You never know how the voting will go though

[Gravy]

I think there's a segment of fans that still wont consider Randle a "Knick" because we didnt draft him. But in the past we've had players from other teams we consider a true Knick that we got from other teams the same age we got Randle: Oakley, Allan Houston, Anthony Mason, Bernard King, Starks, Earl.