Julius Randle IS a 'cornerstone' player

[Gravy]

Thread title is "Julius Randle IS a 'cornerstone' player". I'm saying the MSG cabal is trying to spin 14-16 as winning, when it literally is a losing record to push the false narrative that he's a 'cornerstone' player. It's fox/cnn level BS, I can't believe people are falling for it.

If other GMs are falling for it that would be great, but if the organization truly believes being below .500 and as many games from last as first is 'winning' there is no hope. They won't trade him for value (if he has any), and he'll get his max and at the rate Thibs is playing him his back will explode or something Knicks.

Well its true that Randle is not as good a Lebron. He cant carry a group of bums and zero offense players to the finals all by himself. I guess teams with players like Doncic, Trae, Zion, Fox, Ja, KAT, Bam, Lavine, Sexton should get of those guys too since they also have a losing record and its all those players fault.

Could we expand it to teams that are only a game or two over .500? Get rid of losers like Jokic, Muray, Sabonis, Siakam, Tatum, Brown, Curry etc

Tank for eternity!

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Dudes are literally saying if you are not in the finals you should be tanking, no exaggerating

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Well its true that Randle is not as good a Lebron. He cant carry a group of bums and zero offense players to the finals all by himself. I guess teams with players like Doncic, Trae, Zion, Fox, Ja, KAT, Bam, Lavine, Sexton should get of those guys too since they also have a losing record and its all those players fault.

Could we expand it to teams that are only a game or two over .500? Get rid of losers like Jokic, Muray, Sabonis, Siakam, Tatum, Brown, Curry etc

This is a pretty dishonest argument

Julius has never been on a winning team, he's been in the league longer than everyone in that first list that you named except for LaVine, and the 2nd group of guys have all been the main cogs or secondary players on teams that have experienced far more success than Julius.


Anyone that wants Julius to be an all-star, I hope you're also ready to live with what he asks for on his next contract, because he'll be an all-star and all-stars get paid. I don't want to see any complaining about him not being worth the max if it comes to that.

You’re on Randle moratorium for another 4 games sir.

I've respected your Randle moratorium, I don't talk to you about him, but nothing was said about bringing truth to our Knicks brethren.

I know the all-star to contract correlation scares you though, but I won't stop, can't stop.

[Chanel Bomber]

"Look at the impact on winning" - Thibs

... we're 14-16 in the awful East and haven't lost one player game to Covid this year. Is Thibs praising Randle or criticizing him?

Tou think we even have 14 wins without him? I wonder ehat Chanel has to say about this statement? Is Thibs as big a loser as Payton?

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I think it's a poor choice of words from Thibs there too.

I think all this talk of "winning" is the byproduct of low expectations when it comes to this franchise. The Knicks are so associated with losing that sub-50% mediocrity (the 14-16 record) is now being promoted as winning. I don't find it disingenuous as much as I consider it a subconscious bias. It still doesn't make it right, or accurate.

I think Randle has a legitimate claim to become an All-Star this year but "winning" is not some sort of separator.

[nedleeds]

Thread title is "Julius Randle IS a 'cornerstone' player". I'm saying the MSG cabal is trying to spin 14-16 as winning, when it literally is a losing record to push the false narrative that he's a 'cornerstone' player. It's fox/cnn level BS, I can't believe people are falling for it.

If other GMs are falling for it that would be great, but if the organization truly believes being below .500 and as many games from last as first is 'winning' there is no hope. They won't trade him for value (if he has any), and he'll get his max and at the rate Thibs is playing him his back will explode or something Knicks.

Well its true that Randle is not as good a Lebron. He cant carry a group of bums and zero offense players to the finals all by himself. I guess teams with players like Doncic, Trae, Zion, Fox, Ja, KAT, Bam, Lavine, Sexton should get of those guys too since they also have a losing record and its all those players fault.

Could we expand it to teams that are only a game or two over .500? Get rid of losers like Jokic, Muray, Sabonis, Siakam, Tatum, Brown, Curry etc

Tank for eternity!

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I'll take 2 years thanks. But this front office no matter who sits in the seats can't help themselves. They just can't play young lottery picks and live with the results. We honestly tanked 1 year and that was mostly by virtue of KP being out. Even that included Deandre Jordan and Kanter playing 26+ minutes a game. Trading Randle if any team would actually trade anything of value for him is the right move if you want this franchise to have any hope of finals contention in the next 5-6 years.

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Thread title is "Julius Randle IS a 'cornerstone' player". I'm saying the MSG cabal is trying to spin 14-16 as winning, when it literally is a losing record to push the false narrative that he's a 'cornerstone' player. It's fox/cnn level BS, I can't believe people are falling for it.

If other GMs are falling for it that would be great, but if the organization truly believes being below .500 and as many games from last as first is 'winning' there is no hope. They won't trade him for value (if he has any), and he'll get his max and at the rate Thibs is playing him his back will explode or something Knicks.

Well its true that Randle is not as good a Lebron. He cant carry a group of bums and zero offense players to the finals all by himself. I guess teams with players like Doncic, Trae, Zion, Fox, Ja, KAT, Bam, Lavine, Sexton should get of those guys too since they also have a losing record and its all those players fault.

Could we expand it to teams that are only a game or two over .500? Get rid of losers like Jokic, Muray, Sabonis, Siakam, Tatum, Brown, Curry etc

This is a pretty dishonest argument

Julius has never been on a winning team, he's been in the league longer than everyone in that first list that you named except for LaVine, and the 2nd group of guys have all been the main cogs or secondary players on teams that have experienced far more success than Julius.


Anyone that wants Julius to be an all-star, I hope you're also ready to live with what he asks for on his next contract, because he'll be an all-star and all-stars get paid. I don't want to see any complaining about him not being worth the max if it comes to that.

Out of all the player's teams I just listed which teams have a worse supporting cast than Randle has?

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Well its true that Randle is not as good a Lebron. He cant carry a group of bums and zero offense players to the finals all by himself. I guess teams with players like Doncic, Trae, Zion, Fox, Ja, KAT, Bam, Lavine, Sexton should get of those guys too since they also have a losing record and its all those players fault.

Could we expand it to teams that are only a game or two over .500? Get rid of losers like Jokic, Muray, Sabonis, Siakam, Tatum, Brown, Curry etc

Tank for eternity!

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Dudes are literally saying if you are not in the finals you should be tanking, no exaggerating

Mostly I'm saying 14-16 in a terrible conference isn't 'winning'. Maybe I'm nuts.

[nedleeds]

Well its true that Randle is not as good a Lebron. He cant carry a group of bums and zero offense players to the finals all by himself. I guess teams with players like Doncic, Trae, Zion, Fox, Ja, KAT, Bam, Lavine, Sexton should get of those guys too since they also have a losing record and its all those players fault.

Could we expand it to teams that are only a game or two over .500? Get rid of losers like Jokic, Muray, Sabonis, Siakam, Tatum, Brown, Curry etc

This is a pretty dishonest argument

Julius has never been on a winning team, he's been in the league longer than everyone in that first list that you named except for LaVine, and the 2nd group of guys have all been the main cogs or secondary players on teams that have experienced far more success than Julius.


Anyone that wants Julius to be an all-star, I hope you're also ready to live with what he asks for on his next contract, because he'll be an all-star and all-stars get paid. I don't want to see any complaining about him not being worth the max if it comes to that.

Out of all the player's teams I just listed which teams have a worse supporting cast than Randle has?

Certainly none of them have a better cast than A.D., Jrue Holiday and Mirotic. Lol.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Well its true that Randle is not as good a Lebron. He cant carry a group of bums and zero offense players to the finals all by himself. I guess teams with players like Doncic, Trae, Zion, Fox, Ja, KAT, Bam, Lavine, Sexton should get of those guys too since they also have a losing record and its all those players fault.

Could we expand it to teams that are only a game or two over .500? Get rid of losers like Jokic, Muray, Sabonis, Siakam, Tatum, Brown, Curry etc

This is a pretty dishonest argument

Julius has never been on a winning team, he's been in the league longer than everyone in that first list that you named except for LaVine, and the 2nd group of guys have all been the main cogs or secondary players on teams that have experienced far more success than Julius.


Anyone that wants Julius to be an all-star, I hope you're also ready to live with what he asks for on his next contract, because he'll be an all-star and all-stars get paid. I don't want to see any complaining about him not being worth the max if it comes to that.

Out of all the player's teams I just listed which teams have a worse supporting cast than Randle has?

The West is better than the East, so first we'd need to add a little context here, you're comparing players who are having "down" team seasons in the West, to a guy who is having his first semi successful team season in his career.

Randle is a supporting player, that's the first problem, nobody should be building around him. If our supporting cast is so bad and he's willing us to wins, how much are you willing to pay the all-star Randle, I want some of you to answer this. All-stars get paid, right?

[3toheadmelo]

This is a pretty dishonest argument

Julius has never been on a winning team, he's been in the league longer than everyone in that first list that you named except for LaVine, and the 2nd group of guys have all been the main cogs or secondary players on teams that have experienced far more success than Julius.


Anyone that wants Julius to be an all-star, I hope you're also ready to live with what he asks for on his next contract, because he'll be an all-star and all-stars get paid. I don't want to see any complaining about him not being worth the max if it comes to that.

You’re on Randle moratorium for another 4 games sir.

I've respected your Randle moratorium, I don't talk to you about him, but nothing was said about bringing truth to our Knicks brethren.

I know the all-star to contract correlation scares you though, but I won't stop, can't stop.

I’m Jamal, you’re the teacher trying to bringing “truth” to Knicks fans

Watch on YouTube

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I saw Nikola Vucevic mentioned in here, and I can't believe some of you don't see the parallels between Randle and him. The Magic looked like they were ready to move on from him, he was going into the last year of his deal and they drafted a young center to potentially groom for the future. Then Vucevic has a career year, they sign him to a 4 year $100 million, they glue their draft pick to the bench despite nice advanced stats, they go 42-40 and earn the right to lose 4-1 to the Raptors, then they go 33-40 and still make the playoffs because this is the East after all, and lose 4-1 to the Bucks.


Vucevic is a nice player, he'd be a great number 3 guy on the Raptors or Celtics, but you don't build around him. Randle could be a good number 3, or an excellent 6th man, you don't build around him as part of your core. There isn't a single contending team that would have Randle as part of their core, and we're about to build around him as though he's Embiid

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This is a pretty dishonest argument

Julius has never been on a winning team, he's been in the league longer than everyone in that first list that you named except for LaVine, and the 2nd group of guys have all been the main cogs or secondary players on teams that have experienced far more success than Julius.


Anyone that wants Julius to be an all-star, I hope you're also ready to live with what he asks for on his next contract, because he'll be an all-star and all-stars get paid. I don't want to see any complaining about him not being worth the max if it comes to that.

Out of all the player's teams I just listed which teams have a worse supporting cast than Randle has?

The West is better than the East, so first we'd need to add a little context here, you're comparing players who are having "down" team seasons in the West, to a guy who is having his first semi successful team season in his career.

Randle is a supporting player, that's the first problem, nobody should be building around him. If our supporting cast is so bad and he's willing us to wins, how much are you willing to pay the all-star Randle, I want some of you to answer this. All-stars get paid, right?

I'm using the same logic yall are which is we have a mediocre record so we should get rid of our best player and start all over again.

Pay Randle as much as an all star should get. Then upgrade Payton and Bullocks position. Nobody is saying Randle has to be our only good player for the next 8-10 years.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

You’re on Randle moratorium for another 4 games sir.

I've respected your Randle moratorium, I don't talk to you about him, but nothing was said about bringing truth to our Knicks brethren.

I know the all-star to contract correlation scares you though, but I won't stop, can't stop.

I’m Jamal, you’re the teacher trying to bringing “truth” to Knicks fans

Watch on YouTube

I'm close to making the "How much are you willing to pay Randle" thread. I told you, you wouldn't be able to resist me, your moratorium failed.

[DaGawd]

I saw Nikola Vucevic mentioned in here, and I can't believe some of you don't see the parallels between Randle and him. The Magic looked like they were ready to move on from him, he was going into the last year of his deal and they drafted a young center to potentially groom for the future. Then Vucevic has a career year, they sign him to a 4 year $100 million, they glue their draft pick to the bench despite nice advanced stats, they go 42-40 and earn the right to lose 4-1 to the Raptors, then they go 33-40 and still make the playoffs because this is the East after all, and lose 4-1 to the Bucks.


Vucevic is a nice player, he'd be a great number 3 guy on the Raptors or Celtics, but you don't build around him. Randle could be a good number 3, or an excellent 6th man, you don't build around him as part of your core. There isn't a single contending team that would have Randle as part of their core, and we're about to build around him as though he's Embiid

There are some parallels for sure. But the one thing we have over Orlando which is a pretty big advantage is the market. Free agents don’t go to Orlando if they’re mediocre. The Knicks on the other hand would receive crazy consideration all of sudden just for showing promise

[3toheadmelo]

I've respected your Randle moratorium, I don't talk to you about him, but nothing was said about bringing truth to our Knicks brethren.

I know the all-star to contract correlation scares you though, but I won't stop, can't stop.

I’m Jamal, you’re the teacher trying to bringing “truth” to Knicks fans

Watch on YouTube

I'm close to making the "How much are you willing to pay Randle" thread. I told you, you wouldn't be able to resist me, your moratorium failed.

I’ll call mods to lock your thread

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Out of all the player's teams I just listed which teams have a worse supporting cast than Randle has?

The West is better than the East, so first we'd need to add a little context here, you're comparing players who are having "down" team seasons in the West, to a guy who is having his first semi successful team season in his career.

Randle is a supporting player, that's the first problem, nobody should be building around him. If our supporting cast is so bad and he's willing us to wins, how much are you willing to pay the all-star Randle, I want some of you to answer this. All-stars get paid, right?

I'm using the same logic yall are which is we have a mediocre record so we should get rid of our best player and start all over again.

Pay Randle as much as an all star should get.

Flawed logic, because it throws out context completely to try and justify the point you're trying to make. We're 10-10 vs the East and 4-6 vs the West, the Mavs are 7-10 vs the West and 6-5 vs the East. Half the guys you named have already made the playoffs in less time than Randle, who has yet to get there.

Randle getting an all-star type contract, may as well just start up the 2024-2027 tank thread now. If Randle is getting paid like an all-star, it's hard to build because that's 30-35% of the cap.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I’m Jamal, you’re the teacher trying to bringing “truth” to Knicks fans

Watch on YouTube

I'm close to making the "How much are you willing to pay Randle" thread. I told you, you wouldn't be able to resist me, your moratorium failed.

I’ll call mods to lock your thread

Melo and I agree, stop snitchin!

[prophet_of_rage]

Well its true that Randle is not as good a Lebron. He cant carry a group of bums and zero offense players to the finals all by himself. I guess teams with players like Doncic, Trae, Zion, Fox, Ja, KAT, Bam, Lavine, Sexton should get of those guys too since they also have a losing record and its all those players fault.

Could we expand it to teams that are only a game or two over .500? Get rid of losers like Jokic, Muray, Sabonis, Siakam, Tatum, Brown, Curry etc

Tank for eternity!

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Dudes are literally saying if you are not in the finals you should be tanking, no exaggerating

Hinkie philosophy misunderstood. That syste can't work because it allows for no continuity.

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

I saw Nikola Vucevic mentioned in here, and I can't believe some of you don't see the parallels between Randle and him. The Magic looked like they were ready to move on from him, he was going into the last year of his deal and they drafted a young center to potentially groom for the future. Then Vucevic has a career year, they sign him to a 4 year $100 million, they glue their draft pick to the bench despite nice advanced stats, they go 42-40 and earn the right to lose 4-1 to the Raptors, then they go 33-40 and still make the playoffs because this is the East after all, and lose 4-1 to the Bucks.


Vucevic is a nice player, he'd be a great number 3 guy on the Raptors or Celtics, but you don't build around him. Randle could be a good number 3, or an excellent 6th man, you don't build around him as part of your core. There isn't a single contending team that would have Randle as part of their core, and we're about to build around him as though he's Embiid

There are some parallels for sure. But the one thing we have over Orlando which is a pretty big advantage is the market. Free agents don’t go to Orlando if they’re mediocre. The Knicks on the other hand would reactive crazy consideration all of sudden just for showing promise

We can't rely on the free agent market, that has been our biggest failure so far, the constant hope that we'll land the next star in free agency. We have to develop this superstar player, or trade for him (Not LaVine/Beal) when they're available.

[DaGawd]

I saw Nikola Vucevic mentioned in here, and I can't believe some of you don't see the parallels between Randle and him. The Magic looked like they were ready to move on from him, he was going into the last year of his deal and they drafted a young center to potentially groom for the future. Then Vucevic has a career year, they sign him to a 4 year $100 million, they glue their draft pick to the bench despite nice advanced stats, they go 42-40 and earn the right to lose 4-1 to the Raptors, then they go 33-40 and still make the playoffs because this is the East after all, and lose 4-1 to the Bucks.


Vucevic is a nice player, he'd be a great number 3 guy on the Raptors or Celtics, but you don't build around him. Randle could be a good number 3, or an excellent 6th man, you don't build around him as part of your core. There isn't a single contending team that would have Randle as part of their core, and we're about to build around him as though he's Embiid

There are some parallels for sure. But the one thing we have over Orlando which is a pretty big advantage is the market. Free agents don’t go to Orlando if they’re mediocre. The Knicks on the other hand would reactive crazy consideration all of sudden just for showing promise

We can't rely on the free agent market, that has been our biggest failure so far, the constant hope that we'll land the next star in free agency. We have to develop this superstar player, or trade for him (Not LaVine/Beal) when they're available.

And cant really rely on tanking either.. that avenue is poisonous and toxic. I’d rather build on the one really good young player we have (Randle) and see what avenues open up from there than dump him and basically start from scratch again

[prophet_of_rage]

"Look at the impact on winning" - Thibs

... we're 14-16 in the awful East and haven't lost one player game to Covid this year. Is Thibs praising Randle or criticizing him?

Tou think we even have 14 wins without him? I wonder ehat Chanel has to say about this statement? Is Thibs as big a loser as Payton?

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I think it's a poor choice of words from Thibs there too.

I think all this talk of "winning" is the byproduct of low expectations when it comes to this franchise. The Knicks are so associated with losing that sub-50% mediocrity (the 14-16 record) is now being promoted as winning. I don't find it disingenuous as much as I consider it a subconscious bias. It still doesn't make it right, or accurate.

I think Randle has a legitimate claim to become an All-Star this year but "winning" is not some sort of separator.

You said Payton had a loser mentality for using the word winning. That's different from a poor xhoice of words.

I just wondered if you think Thibs is a loser too.

I still say you.can be winning withoutnhaving a winning record same as you.can be losing without having a losing record.

It's a short snapshot of a cutrent situation not the overall picture.

The Raptors have been winning lately but just got to 500. The Lakers have been losing lately but have a plus 500 record.

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