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[skones]

Brook/Forbes for Zubac/Lou being kicked around on the trade board and nobody is really speaking up against it from the Clippers perspective. Zubac could be a godsend for us and a legitimate breakout candidate with more minutes. At age 23 and being locked up for 2 more years on a team friendly deal would be an absolute godsend for our prospects moving forward.

Zubac is okay/even good but Lou is not at all what we should be looking for. Also a lot of players I'd prefer to give up over Forbes.

I think the upgrade on the defensive end with or scheme plus the versatility Lou gives us on O makes us much better suited for playoff basketball. Forbes will be great at times for us in the regular season, but that's a matchup teams will hunt relentlessly in the playoffs and he doesn't have the offensive skill to actually offset his play when he is. Lou Williams does. This doesn't even take into account the long term implications of Zubac.

Could also see how they feel about Kennard and how he could fit into it though I'd imagine his extension complicates matters quite a bit.

[giannis and 1]

Brook/Forbes for Zubac/Lou being kicked around on the trade board and nobody is really speaking up against it from the Clippers perspective. Zubac could be a godsend for us and a legitimate breakout candidate with more minutes. At age 23 and being locked up for 2 more years on a team friendly deal would be an absolute godsend for our prospects moving forward.

Yes please.

[ShootingtheJ]

Brook/Forbes for Zubac/Lou being kicked around on the trade board and nobody is really speaking up against it from the Clippers perspective. Zubac could be a godsend for us and a legitimate breakout candidate with more minutes. At age 23 and being locked up for 2 more years on a team friendly deal would be an absolute godsend for our prospects moving forward.

Zubac is okay/even good but Lou is not at all what we should be looking for.

Agree. Lou isn't a defender nor a reliable playoff performer.

Also, while Zubac is an effective player, he's a poor fit next to Giannis because of his lack of floor spacing. Find a 3rd team for him?

[CJTURT]

Would a Reddick for Lopez interest anyone. Go a little smaller and athletic?

[LuessiT]

Would a Reddick for Lopez interest anyone. Go a little smaller and athletic?

It would at least interest me. Haven't kept up with New Orleans so no idea how much Reddick still has in the tank. Would need other pieces as we're right against the hard cap.

[DrWood]

Would a Reddick for Lopez interest anyone. Go a little smaller and athletic?

Athletic? I'll give you that Reddick can run around the court, but his activity has never resulted in good defense, rebounding, etc.

[ShootingtheJ]

Would a Reddick for Lopez interest anyone. Go a little smaller and athletic?

Athletic? I'll give you that Reddick can run around the court, but his activity has never resulted in good defense, rebounding, etc.

Yeah, Reddick's numbers are way down across the board this, in a year other shooters are shooting out of their minds. I've earned to the idea of dealing Brook, but this deal isn't worth it.

[midranger]

How is Zubac only 23? Feels like a decade in the league.

As for the deal, I’d do it. Love Forbes ability to flame throw and obviously Lou is on the decline but we definitely need a guy who can break down the defense and make his own shot.

Zubac always seems like a guy who is almost there. Big guy but not slow. Can get out in transition. Can hit midrange shots/FTs. Rebounds well. Yet, he can never get more than 20 minutes. Maybe just conditioning? Kind of reminiscent of Valanciunas in Toronto.

[raferfenix]

If Giannis did not want to play with Paul, you just don’t roll the dice on him not signing the supermax.

Rather I think what more likely happened was the report the Lakers outbid us for Schroder was accurate (suspect we were refusing to offer George Hill), and we decided to go all in for Holiday as a backup plan, without gaming out the repercussions with Bogdan (if only from a PR lens hence the premature leak).

And that said, even with all this team’s problems (if only for this season), I’m not sure that other plan would have been better even if Giannis would have extended. Bogdan got hurt right away and Schroder is no Jrue Holiday.

[WRau1]

Middleton + Forbes for Porter Jr + Barton + Harris + 1st
(Saw this recommend on a DEN website)

Lopez + Merrill for Bamba + Aminu

DDV + DJA + DJW + 1st for Rubio

Rubio/
Jrue/Harris/PatC
Porter Jr/Barton/Craig
Giannis/Aminu
Bamba/Portis

Or go with Jrue/Harris backcourt and bring Rubio off of the bench.

[skones]

Brook/Forbes for Zubac/Lou being kicked around on the trade board and nobody is really speaking up against it from the Clippers perspective. Zubac could be a godsend for us and a legitimate breakout candidate with more minutes. At age 23 and being locked up for 2 more years on a team friendly deal would be an absolute godsend for our prospects moving forward.

Zubac is okay/even good but Lou is not at all what we should be looking for.

Agree. Lou isn't a defender nor a reliable playoff performer.

Also, while Zubac is an effective player, he's a poor fit next to Giannis because of his lack of floor spacing. Find a 3rd team for him?

I laughed at "Lou isn't a defender nor a reliable playoff performer" when the alternative is Bryn Forbes and I've been a defender of his since the start of the season. Zubac is a career 77% FT shooter and has touch on floaters. These are things that show promise. We need to start separating "lack of floor spacing" from "unproven floor spacing." There's a difference between the two. Must we forget the "lack of floor spacing" bigs provided five years ago and now these guys are sitting on the perimeter knocking down Js? No, let's not find a third team for him. He's the prize of the deal.

PS. We need to stop making shooting the triple an absolute necessity next to Giannis.

[ShootingtheJ]

Zubac is okay/even good but Lou is not at all what we should be looking for.

Agree. Lou isn't a defender nor a reliable playoff performer.

Also, while Zubac is an effective player, he's a poor fit next to Giannis because of his lack of floor spacing. Find a 3rd team for him?

I laughed at "Lou isn't a defender nor a reliable playoff performer" when the alternative is Bryn Forbes and I've been a defender of his since the start of the season. Zubac is a career 77% FT shooter and has touch on floaters. These are things that show promise. We need to start separating "lack of floor spacing" from "unproven floor spacing." There's a difference between the two. Must we forget the "lack of floor spacing" bigs provided five years ago and now these guys are sitting on the perimeter knocking down Js? No, let's not find a third team for him. He's the prize of the deal.

PS. We need to stop making shooting the triple an absolute necessity next to Giannis.

Rather than ignoring that these players are poor fits, why not get the right players? These aren't it.

[SupremeHustle]

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[skones]

Agree. Lou isn't a defender nor a reliable playoff performer.

Also, while Zubac is an effective player, he's a poor fit next to Giannis because of his lack of floor spacing. Find a 3rd team for him?

I laughed at "Lou isn't a defender nor a reliable playoff performer" when the alternative is Bryn Forbes and I've been a defender of his since the start of the season. Zubac is a career 77% FT shooter and has touch on floaters. These are things that show promise. We need to start separating "lack of floor spacing" from "unproven floor spacing." There's a difference between the two. Must we forget the "lack of floor spacing" bigs provided five years ago and now these guys are sitting on the perimeter knocking down Js? No, let's not find a third team for him. He's the prize of the deal.

PS. We need to stop making shooting the triple an absolute necessity next to Giannis.

Rather than ignoring that these players are poor fits, why not get the right players? These aren't it.

I'm not ignoring anything. I don't agree with you. If anyone's ignoring anything here, it's you ignoring the value of a 23 year old big who became one of the most impactful defenders in the league last season while being on a team friendly deal and how that would help a team without financial flexibility. So k.

[SupremeHustle]

Middleton + Forbes for Porter Jr + Barton + Harris + 1st
(Saw this recommend on a DEN website)

Lopez + Merrill for Bamba + Aminu

DDV + DJA + DJW + 1st for Rubio

Rubio/
Jrue/Harris/PatC
Porter Jr/Barton/Craig
Giannis/Aminu
Bamba/Portis

Or go with Jrue/Harris backcourt and bring Rubio off of the bench.

These are solid moves.

If the Bucks could pull that off the Denver trade for Middleton and Forbes I think they'd have to go for it. I was higher on Porter Jr. last season and Harris is just an expensive, slightly worse version of Donte, but I think that deal makes the Bucks better. Maybe not this year, but going forward for sure.

[LuessiT]

Middleton + Forbes for Porter Jr + Barton + Harris + 1st
(Saw this recommend on a DEN website)

Lopez + Merrill for Bamba + Aminu

DDV + DJA + DJW + 1st for Rubio

Rubio/
Jrue/Harris/PatC
Porter Jr/Barton/Craig
Giannis/Aminu
Bamba/Portis

Or go with Jrue/Harris backcourt and bring Rubio off of the bench.

These are solid moves.

If the Bucks could pull that off the Denver trade for Middleton and Forbes I think they'd have to go for it. I was higher on Porter Jr. last season and Harris is just an expensive, slightly worse version of Donte, but I think that deal makes the Bucks better. Maybe not this year, but going forward for sure.

The Rubio deal is bad. He's been terrible and he has us paying Donte + a FRP. Wouldn't give up either for him and certainly not both.

[ShootingtheJ]

I laughed at "Lou isn't a defender nor a reliable playoff performer" when the alternative is Bryn Forbes and I've been a defender of his since the start of the season. Zubac is a career 77% FT shooter and has touch on floaters. These are things that show promise. We need to start separating "lack of floor spacing" from "unproven floor spacing." There's a difference between the two. Must we forget the "lack of floor spacing" bigs provided five years ago and now these guys are sitting on the perimeter knocking down Js? No, let's not find a third team for him. He's the prize of the deal.

PS. We need to stop making shooting the triple an absolute necessity next to Giannis.

Rather than ignoring that these players are poor fits, why not get the right players? These aren't it.

I'm not ignoring anything. I don't agree with you. If anyone's ignoring anything here, it's you ignoring the value of a 23 year old big who became one of the most impactful defenders in the league last season while being on a team friendly deal and how that would help a team without financial flexibility. So k.

Where are you getting the idea that Zubac is some defensive dynamo? He's simply not, in any way. He's neither switchable nor a massive rim protector.

Also, what financial flexibility does he give us? We're over the cap forever either way.

[SupremeHustle]

Middleton + Forbes for Porter Jr + Barton + Harris + 1st
(Saw this recommend on a DEN website)

Lopez + Merrill for Bamba + Aminu

DDV + DJA + DJW + 1st for Rubio

Rubio/
Jrue/Harris/PatC
Porter Jr/Barton/Craig
Giannis/Aminu
Bamba/Portis

Or go with Jrue/Harris backcourt and bring Rubio off of the bench.

These are solid moves.

If the Bucks could pull that off the Denver trade for Middleton and Forbes I think they'd have to go for it. I was higher on Porter Jr. last season and Harris is just an expensive, slightly worse version of Donte, but I think that deal makes the Bucks better. Maybe not this year, but going forward for sure.

The Rubio deal is bad. He's been terrible and he has us paying Donte + a FRP. Wouldn't give up either for him and certainly not both.

I thought we were getting the first in the Rubio deal. My bad.

Donte is redundant with Harris, though. Maybe there is a better deal for him out there.

[midranger]

Zubac is okay/even good but Lou is not at all what we should be looking for.

Agree. Lou isn't a defender nor a reliable playoff performer.

Also, while Zubac is an effective player, he's a poor fit next to Giannis because of his lack of floor spacing. Find a 3rd team for him?

I laughed at "Lou isn't a defender nor a reliable playoff performer" when the alternative is Bryn Forbes and I've been a defender of his since the start of the season. Zubac is a career 77% FT shooter and has touch on floaters. These are things that show promise. We need to start separating "lack of floor spacing" from "unproven floor spacing." There's a difference between the two. Must we forget the "lack of floor spacing" bigs provided five years ago and now these guys are sitting on the perimeter knocking down Js? No, let's not find a third team for him. He's the prize of the deal.

PS. We need to stop making shooting the triple an absolute necessity next to Giannis.

This guy gets it.

Get a guy who can grab 10 rebounds in 25 minutes, make an 18 footer, and has a moderate degree of foot speed in the drop.

Basically Brook when we acquire him plus the ability to rebound.

[LuessiT]

Agree. Lou isn't a defender nor a reliable playoff performer.

Also, while Zubac is an effective player, he's a poor fit next to Giannis because of his lack of floor spacing. Find a 3rd team for him?

I laughed at "Lou isn't a defender nor a reliable playoff performer" when the alternative is Bryn Forbes and I've been a defender of his since the start of the season. Zubac is a career 77% FT shooter and has touch on floaters. These are things that show promise. We need to start separating "lack of floor spacing" from "unproven floor spacing." There's a difference between the two. Must we forget the "lack of floor spacing" bigs provided five years ago and now these guys are sitting on the perimeter knocking down Js? No, let's not find a third team for him. He's the prize of the deal.

PS. We need to stop making shooting the triple an absolute necessity next to Giannis.

This guy gets it.

Get a guy who can grab 10 rebounds in 25 minutes, make an 18 footer, and has a moderate degree of foot speed in the drop.

Basically Brook when we acquire him plus the ability to rebound.

He hasn't attempted a single 18 footer this year and attempted 5 last year. Like it's highly projectable that Zubac will develope a reasonable 3 pointer over his career but it's rather improbable that he'll develope one over his current contract and nearly impossible this season. Only way I'd entertain a deal for Zubac is if the value is overwhelmingly in our favor (which this deal may be, though I'm way lower on Lou than most).