Chicago - Orlando Vucevic

[coldfish]

IMO, the Bulls need to pair a quality big man with Zach. Vuc is a little older but he is locked up on a value contract and I think him and Zach would play off each other well.

Chicago out - Lauri Markkanen, Wendell Carter, Felicio (expiring filler), 2021 first round pick top 5 protected, 2022 first round pick swap top 5 protected.

Orlando out - Vucevic

Orlando would have to resign Lauri as an RFA.

[NYG]

IMO, the Bulls need to pair a quality big man with Zach. Vuc is a little older but he is locked up on a value contract and I think him and Zach would play off each other well.

Chicago out - Lauri Markkanen, Wendell Carter, Felicio (expiring filler), 2021 first round pick top 5 protected, 2022 first round pick swap top 5 protected.

Orlando out - Vucevic

Orlando would have to resign Lauri as an RFA.

You could probably just give up Otto Porter Jr. and Earlier of Pelicans/Bulls '21 2nd for Drummond. The on the court downgrade from Vuc and Drummond isn't significant enough IMO to prefer dealing Markkanen, WCJ and a 1st plus additional swap.

[cl2117]

What happens with the protections? Do they roll out further?

I think that's a good deal for Orlando given where they're at. They tank, pick up some solid picks and get to try out Lauri for half a season. I'd definitely pull the trigger.

I don't see it for Chicago. I don't think Vuc takes them that much further given the rest of their roster. I think he's a good running partner for Lavine, but they're going to need some elite defenders to round the rest of roster.

[coldfish]

What happens with the protections? Do they roll out further?

I think that's a good deal for Orlando given where they're at. They tank, pick up some solid picks and get to try out Lauri for half a season. I'd definitely pull the trigger.

I don't see it for Chicago. I don't think Vuc takes them that much further given the rest of their roster. I think he's a good running partner for Lavine, but they're going to need some elite defenders to round the rest of roster.

The nice thing is that Vucevic is cheap. The Bulls would be sitting on $30m of capspace to add to:

Coby White / Satoransky
Zach
PWilliams
..../ Thad Young
Vucevic / Gafford

As you said, if you just fill out the roster with versatile 3 and D types, it would be an interesting team.

[pipfan]

Too much for sure.

I said Carter and a pick, plus a big saving. I suggested Carter to OKC for one of their picks

I like Vuc a lot, but he is a marginal All Star, not a top 15 guy

[Godaddycurse]

Too much for sure.

I said Carter and a pick, plus a big saving. I suggested Carter to OKC for one of their picks

I like Vuc a lot, but he is a marginal All Star, not a top 15 guy

OP package is nowhere enough for a top 15 guy. In fact carter and a pick doesnt fetch you an allstar either

[Kurt Heimlich]

2 reasonably likely lotto picks, lauri and WCJ for a 30yo goodish big on a perennial meh team is just a wild overpay. This isnt close. Lauri, expirings and a lotto protected (for two years then a 2nd) is my max max offer for vuc. If the magic decline then that's ok too.

[Texas Chuck]

Take out one of the bigs, tighten up the protections on the 2nd 1st and I think the value is about right. I think the direction is all wrong for Chicago and so I'd pass still. OP is a bit too rich imo.

[Prokorov]

IMO, the Bulls need to pair a quality big man with Zach. Vuc is a little older but he is locked up on a value contract and I think him and Zach would play off each other well.

Chicago out - Lauri Markkanen, Wendell Carter, Felicio (expiring filler), 2021 first round pick top 5 protected, 2022 first round pick swap top 5 protected.

Orlando out - Vucevic

Orlando would have to resign Lauri as an RFA.

To me this is a massive overpay. 2 first round picks AND a pupu platter of young fliers for Vucevic?

There is no way he has that value. id think he could maybe fetch one first in the teens and matching salary, but really not beyond that. teams arent looking to dump assets and cap space into centers, espeically offensive minded ones who you only get return on if you give them a bunch of shots.

[DiplomaticMagic]

Yeah, even as a Magic fan I'd say it's too good for us lol, but even if you take out some stuff, I like it

[DroseReturnChi]

What a ridiculous deal when Lauri will be better than Vuc soon. Vuc barely has lotto value.

[coldfish]

What a ridiculous deal when Lauri will be better than Vuc soon. Vuc barely has lotto value.

Lol. Lauri doesn't play and when he does he doesn't pass or defend or rebound and he can't post people up. A 7 foot softer version of Doug McDermott isn't going to be better than Vucevic.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Carter, Porter,Hutchinson, frp 21 top 8 protected, unprotected in 22 if not conveyed for Nikola Vucevic and Terrence Ross.

[WindyCityBorn]

What a ridiculous deal when Lauri will be better than Vuc soon. Vuc barely has lotto value.

LOL. He will only be better if Vuc declines rapidly. Not because Lauri actually lived up to the hype.

[pipfan]

I have tried a few deals-I think Vuc makes A LOT of sense in Chi, to support Lavine.

Carter to OKC, they send a pick to Orl
Porter to Orl, along with the Bulls top 4 protected (then no protection) pick
Ross and Vuc to Chi

Ross is optional, it saves the Magic A TON more $-and gives the Bulls depth

[Skybox]

Lauri (RFA) and Otto (expiring) and top 5 protected '21 to ORL
Vuc and Aminu to CHI

There's no comparison between Lauri and Vuc (so far)...Lauri can be a deadly 3pt shooter. Vuc is too and better at LITERALLY every other aspect of basketball. I'm finally (reluctantly) warming to the idea of at least exploring moving Vuc. I don't think ORL needs to as his age is not a big deal, he's been very reliable and his game is not based on elite athleticism and there's no reason to think he's not continuing his high level of play for a few more years. For ORL...If Bamba comes around, Lauri and Isaac and Okeke could form a potent young front court. Hopefully, Lauri can be re-signed to a realistic but fair deal that enhances the financial aspect for ORL in this deal even more. CHI fans are pushing more of a win-now program and Vuc is one of the best in the league. ORL would be committing to the tank and getting another (at best late lottery) pick, a big expiring in Otto, and also freeing up Aminu's 2 years. Aminu, if you're going win-now (and he's healthy) is actually a solid veteran rotation big but for ORL, at this point, he's not needed. Vuc immediately joins Lavine as one of the most potent pick and roll combos in the league. Porter hasn't really done anything for CHI due to injuries and, IMO, his entire value is as an expiring. CHI could likely move WCJ, as he's still young-Charlotte? They also retain Felicio's expiring, which could be packaged for a little more depth. CHI seems to have some FO and coaching stability now...time to win.

Vuc/WCJ/Gafford
Young/Aminu
Williams/Temple
Lavine/Valentine
White/Satoransky

[Magic_Johnny12]

First time ever that I come in a Vucevic proposed trade and leave impressed.

I agree with some posters that the second pick can be protected a little tighter but I don’t agree that you will have to remove one of the bigs.

One is a RFA and the other is not far behind, both need to be paid and both are unproven. Both are often injured and when playing have yet to show any means of real life.

Chicago also has pressure to accelerate winning and capitalize on this season while Lavine is playing at a high level. Vucevic brings everything they need in a player and personality, unfortunately if you’re Chicago you’re going to have to overpay for a player having an all star season and in his prime on a very reasonable/manageable contract.

Homer aside I see Orlando saying no before Chicago simply because of their current roster construction, they will undoubtedly have a lot of overlap in positions.

Carter is best playing the 5 (Orlando has Bamba)
Lauri is best playing the 4 (Orlando has Gordon and Isaac)

This is what front offices get paid to do so I don’t see an issue with rerouting a few players to build a functional team or simply having an amazing bench.

Good job OP.

[orlando_joe]

magic have isaac and okeke and gordon and aminu for pf ..why do they want lauri? who is putting up contract yr numbers and never plays many games? what will it cost to sign him? will it be top 10 worst contract as soon as ink dries? maybe...so really this is for a mid 1st..and maybe a pick swap that may be a couple spots or not at all..might be all magic could get..i dont think magic are shopping him ..and this wont make them want to.i dont see magic going for this

[Skybox]

magic have isaac and okeke and gordon and aminu for pf ..why do they want lauri? who is putting up contract yr numbers and never plays many games? what will it cost to sign him? will it be top 10 worst contract as soon as ink dries? maybe...so really this is for a mid 1st..and maybe a pick swap that may be a couple spots or not at all..might be all magic could get..i dont think magic are shopping him ..and this wont make them want to.i dont see magic going for this

I absolutely see Gordon moved in another deal (not for a PF). Lauri/Isaac at the bigs (call them whatever). If Bamba shows up, Isaac can move to a very strong SF spot and continue his massive destruction to passing lanes and perimeter while still helping out at the rim. People have lazily labeled Isaac as "best at PF" but it's an irrelevant label. The problem is that neither he nor Gordon can spread the floor, although defensively, they both can slide all over. If Bamba got moved, Lauri could be a Kevin Love type stretch 5 with Isaac at 4. In my version, Aminu is sent along...and even if he's not, he's not a reason to change plans. He should be gone or deep bench. I have hopes for Bamba, but he too is not someone to strategize around. If we're giving in and moving Vuc, everything is up for grabs.

[orlando_joe]

magic have isaac and okeke and gordon and aminu for pf ..why do they want lauri? who is putting up contract yr numbers and never plays many games? what will it cost to sign him? will it be top 10 worst contract as soon as ink dries? maybe...so really this is for a mid 1st..and maybe a pick swap that may be a couple spots or not at all..might be all magic could get..i dont think magic are shopping him ..and this wont make them want to.i dont see magic going for this

I absolutely see Gordon moved in another deal (not for a PF). Lauri/Isaac at the bigs (call them whatever). If Bamba shows up, Isaac can move to a very strong SF spot and continue his massive destruction to passing lanes and perimeter while still helping out at the rim. People have lazily labeled Isaac as "best at PF" but it's an irrelevant label. The problem is that neither he nor Gordon can spread the floor, although defensively, they both can slide all over. If Bamba got moved, Lauri could be a Kevin Love type stretch 5 with Isaac at 4. In my version, Aminu is sent along...and even if he's not, he's not a reason to change plans. He should be gone or deep bench. I have hopes for Bamba, but he too is not someone to strategize around. If we're giving in and moving Vuc, everything is up for grabs.

kevin love? with no passing high turnover and no rebounding and no postup game kevin love...and what will it cost to get him under contract to play off the bench..i would rather play okeke all day...