Julius Randle IS a 'cornerstone' player

[prophet_of_rage]

You really ready to bank on this volatile ass lottery system moving us up? Lol..... and all teams have different paths to building their way up to contenders. Like I said why not attract or trade for another really good player to play with Randle? Why we only have to depend on lottery picks who mostly need a few years before they’re really ready to affect winning? Let’s keep all avenues open. There’s been plenty of teams who found gems outside of the lottery. Knicks have been doing that as late also (and sucking in the lottery... go figure) just keep on identifying good players where ever you pick.

It's worth a shot, this year at least. There are 5 potential franchise changers in the upcoming draft. If we could get one of them, it could skyrocket our chances of this franchise actually getting somewhere in the next 5-7 years. I don't support tanking, but it wouldn't be such a bad thing if we dropped and got lucky in the lottery.

At least you not looking at the lottery as some sure fire fix it seems. Tbh I don’t see 5 potential franchise players in this draft. If they are it’ll be further down the road not immediate imo

Me neither. I think there is a lot of hype but 5 franchise guys means thia draft is better than 03.

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[Reign23]

I have a question for those that want to trade Randle. Should the Pistons get rid of Jerami Grant? He's also having a breakout all star type year, yet he's the player many people here would have loved for us to sign.

Would the Pacers move Sabonis considering that the Pacers are a 1st round exit? Heat moving Bam since they’re struggling hard? Rockets trading Wood since the Rockets suck? List goes on.

Bam is untouchable I guess, the other two would be moved for a very good offer.

[NewKnicks]

You really ready to bank on this volatile ass lottery system moving us up? Lol..... and all teams have different paths to building their way up to contenders. Like I said why not attract or trade for another really good player to play with Randle? Why we only have to depend on lottery picks who mostly need a few years before they’re really ready to affect winning? Let’s keep all avenues open. There’s been plenty of teams who found gems outside of the lottery. Knicks have been doing that as late also (and sucking in the lottery... go figure) just keep on identifying good players where ever you pick.

It's worth a shot, this year at least. There are 5 potential franchise changers in the upcoming draft. If we could get one of them, it could skyrocket our chances of this franchise actually getting somewhere in the next 5-7 years. I don't support tanking, but it wouldn't be such a bad thing if we dropped and got lucky in the lottery.

At least you not looking at the lottery as some sure fire fix it seems. Tbh I don’t see 5 potential franchise players in this draft. If they are it’ll be further down the road not immediate imo

I agree, and of course I could be wrong about the upcoming draft. I do believe this draft is one of the better ones in recent memory.

And no, I'm not only looking at the lottery as a sure-fire way to get better. I just know that we're talent-deficient, and the best chance we'll have of building a great future team will be through the draft.

I definitely don't have all the answers, I just don't want to commit to Randle and then make a move for a Beal/Lavine and become one of the those teams that can't get over the hump when we get to the playoffs. We tried that with Melo and it didn't work. I just want to try to build through the draft for once.

We're finally in a great position in terms of assets and draft capital. Let's build this the right way, and THEN make a move a few years down the road for a top-tier player.

[Gravy]

I have a question for those that want to trade Randle. Should the Pistons get rid of Jerami Grant? He's also having a breakout all star type year, yet he's the player many people here would have loved for us to sign.

If I am Detroit, I would move him for a second top 10 pick in the next draft for sure.

Ok, now what if Grant and Hayes were healthy and leading them to a playoff race? Isnt that what you hoped for when you signed Jerami Grant. Why sign him just to trade him when he's playing well and in the playoffs?

[3toheadmelo]

I have a question for those that want to trade Randle. Should the Pistons get rid of Jerami Grant? He's also having a breakout all star type year, yet he's the player many people here would have loved for us to sign.

Would the Pacers move Sabonis considering that the Pacers are a 1st round exit? Heat moving Bam since they’re struggling hard? Rockets trading Wood since the Rockets suck? List goes on.

Bam is untouchable I guess, the other two would be moved for a very good offer.

Why is Bam untouchable when Randle is putting up better numbers and has a better team record?

Pacers and Rockets will never move Sabonis and Wood. They’re young players playing at all star levels, just like Randle. Pretty sure they would keep them long term.

[DaGawd]

I have a question for those that want to trade Randle. Should the Pistons get rid of Jerami Grant? He's also having a breakout all star type year, yet he's the player many people here would have loved for us to sign.

Would the Pacers move Sabonis considering that the Pacers are a 1st round exit? Heat moving Bam since they’re struggling hard? Rockets trading Wood since the Rockets suck? List goes on.

Bam is untouchable I guess, the other two would be moved for a very good offer.

Lmao you’re wilding if you think the Pacers should even entertain trading Sabonis for anything other than an equal value or superior star

[Reign23]

I have a question for those that want to trade Randle. Should the Pistons get rid of Jerami Grant? He's also having a breakout all star type year, yet he's the player many people here would have loved for us to sign.

If I am Detroit, I would move him for a second top 10 pick in the next draft for sure.

Ok, now what if Grant and Hayes were healthy and leading them to a playoff race? Isnt that what you hoped for when you signed Jerami Grant. Why sign him just to trade him when he's playing well and in the playoffs?

in the phase of a rebuild in which detroit was before the season, my biggest hope would have been that hayes looks like a future franchise player and that grant plays like an all star who i can flip for very good assets.

[nedleeds]

There are some parallels for sure. But the one thing we have over Orlando which is a pretty big advantage is the market. Free agents don’t go to Orlando if they’re mediocre. The Knicks on the other hand would reactive crazy consideration all of sudden just for showing promise

We can't rely on the free agent market, that has been our biggest failure so far, the constant hope that we'll land the next star in free agency. We have to develop this superstar player, or trade for him (Not LaVine/Beal) when they're available.

We need to identify talent and create a balanced team not keep hitting reset every two years.

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We never hit reset. We sign junk lords like Payton, RAndle, Portis, Marcus Morris and **** trade for Derrick Rose. That's what we're arguing. Reset is a reset. It's the Cavs just bottoming out to get LeFlop, then again to get Kyrie, the Heat to get Wade, the Warriors getting 5-6 swings in the top 15 to get Klay, Steph and even Barnes.

[Reign23]

Would the Pacers move Sabonis considering that the Pacers are a 1st round exit? Heat moving Bam since they’re struggling hard? Rockets trading Wood since the Rockets suck? List goes on.

Bam is untouchable I guess, the other two would be moved for a very good offer.

Lmao you’re wilding if you think the Pacers should even entertain trading Sabonis for anything other than an equal value or superior star

could be the case, yes. you may be right here

[nedleeds]

even if you think it's smarter to trade randle and tank, it's very obvious they're not going to. you kind of have to just accept it.

[3toheadmelo]

It’s sad how people want to tank until they land a Lebron type player. Good luck with that...

[Reign23]

Would the Pacers move Sabonis considering that the Pacers are a 1st round exit? Heat moving Bam since they’re struggling hard? Rockets trading Wood since the Rockets suck? List goes on.

Bam is untouchable I guess, the other two would be moved for a very good offer.

Why is Bam untouchable when Randle is putting up better numbers and has a better team record?

Pacers and Rockets will never move Sabonis and Wood. They’re young players playing at all star levels, just like Randle. Pretty sure they would keep them long term.

why bam is untouchable? because he is a 23 year old superstar who is a top 2 player on a finals team. I really think some in here can't put the teams records in the right perspective. If we haven't had such incredible luck so far in terms of covid and injuries we would not be the 7th seed right now, no way.
I think the Pacers don't move Sabonis, see post above. but you don't think the Rockets would move wood for like 2 first round picks?

[whocares1]

It’s sad how people want to tank until they land a Lebron type player. Good luck with that...

Not a Lebron type, but an elite player at a premium position.

[Reign23]

It’s sad how people want to tank until they land a Lebron type player. Good luck with that...

I get your point of view. I really do and think it is ok to think that way. I just think you are fighting this hard for that point because it is your favorite player. but that is a good reason, tho. that is what we all do.

[3toheadmelo]

Bam is untouchable I guess, the other two would be moved for a very good offer.

Why is Bam untouchable when Randle is putting up better numbers and has a better team record?

Pacers and Rockets will never move Sabonis and Wood. They’re young players playing at all star levels, just like Randle. Pretty sure they would keep them long term.

why bam is untouchable? because he is a 23 year old superstar who is a top 2 player on a finals team. I really think some in here can't put the teams records in the right perspective. If we haven't had such incredible luck so far in terms of covid and injuries we would not be the 7th seed right now, no way.
I think the Pacers don't move Sabonis, see post above. but you don't think the Rockets would move wood for like 2 first round picks?

We’re talking about this year. Randle has been just as good as Bam, if not better than him.

Why would the Rockets trade Wood? I’m not even that high on him cause of his defense but he’s a pretty damn good scorer and he’s still young.

If you know the Pacers wouldn’t move Sabonis then you should know that the Knicks wouldn’t move Randle as well

[Reign23]

Why is Bam untouchable when Randle is putting up better numbers and has a better team record?

Pacers and Rockets will never move Sabonis and Wood. They’re young players playing at all star levels, just like Randle. Pretty sure they would keep them long term.

why bam is untouchable? because he is a 23 year old superstar who is a top 2 player on a finals team. I really think some in here can't put the teams records in the right perspective. If we haven't had such incredible luck so far in terms of covid and injuries we would not be the 7th seed right now, no way.
I think the Pacers don't move Sabonis, see post above. but you don't think the Rockets would move wood for like 2 first round picks?

We’re talking about this year. Randle has been just as good as Bam, if not better than him.

Why would the Rockets trade Wood? I’m not even that high on him cause of his defense but he’s a pretty damn good scorer and he’s still young.

If you know the Pacers wouldn’t move Sabonis then you should know that the Knicks wouldn’t move Randle as well

don't get me wrong, I am not looking to "dump" him. but if we get a major package to further invest in the longterm rebuild, I am doing that.

[3toheadmelo]

It’s sad how people want to tank until they land a Lebron type player. Good luck with that...

Not a Lebron type, but an elite player at a premium position.

There’s really no one in this draft who’s going to be elite right away.

[3toheadmelo]

It’s sad how people want to tank until they land a Lebron type player. Good luck with that...

I get your point of view. I really do and think it is ok to think that way. I just think you are fighting this hard for that point because it is your favorite player. but that is a good reason, tho. that is what we all do.

Randle isn’t even my favorite player in the league lol. But it makes no sense for us to trade Randle. Just like how it doesn’t make sense for the Heat to trade Bam, Pacers to trade Sabonis and Rockets to trade Wood.

[3toheadmelo]

why bam is untouchable? because he is a 23 year old superstar who is a top 2 player on a finals team. I really think some in here can't put the teams records in the right perspective. If we haven't had such incredible luck so far in terms of covid and injuries we would not be the 7th seed right now, no way.
I think the Pacers don't move Sabonis, see post above. but you don't think the Rockets would move wood for like 2 first round picks?

We’re talking about this year. Randle has been just as good as Bam, if not better than him.

Why would the Rockets trade Wood? I’m not even that high on him cause of his defense but he’s a pretty damn good scorer and he’s still young.

If you know the Pacers wouldn’t move Sabonis then you should know that the Knicks wouldn’t move Randle as well

don't get me wrong, I am not looking to "dump" him. but if we get a major package to further invest in the longterm rebuild, I am doing that.

It’s not happening though. Knicks are clearly invested into Randle

[DaGawd]

We should bring in Cousins to the Kentucky KnickCats to fill in for Mitch