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Re: Julius Randle IS a 'cornerstone' player 

Post#641 » by Reign23 » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:21 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:We’re talking about this year. Randle has been just as good as Bam, if not better than him.

Why would the Rockets trade Wood? I’m not even that high on him cause of his defense but he’s a pretty damn good scorer and he’s still young.

If you know the Pacers wouldn’t move Sabonis then you should know that the Knicks wouldn’t move Randle as well

don't get me wrong, I am not looking to "dump" him. but if we get a major package to further invest in the longterm rebuild, I am doing that.

It’s not happening though. Knicks are clearly invested into Randle

I can also live with that, cause he is a very good player.
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Post#642 » by Reign23 » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:22 pm

DaGawd wrote:We should bring in Cousins to the Kentucky KnickCats to fill in for Mitch

oh damn... we might do that :lol:
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Post#643 » by nedleeds » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:22 pm

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Gravy wrote:I have a question for those that want to trade Randle. Should the Pistons get rid of Jerami Grant? He's also having a breakout all star type year, yet he's the player many people here would have loved for us to sign.

Would the Pacers move Sabonis considering that the Pacers are a 1st round exit? Heat moving Bam since they’re struggling hard? Rockets trading Wood since the Rockets suck? List goes on.

Bam is untouchable I guess, the other two would be moved for a very good offer.


The Pacers are waiting to play with more than 3 of their 5 best players. TJ Warren is out and so is Levert which is all they have to show for Dipo. They're 15-14 without 2 starters playing. They are paying 3 guys $18 million + and Levert almost that ... they should be trying to win, because they don't have a bunch of rookie scale 21 year old lottery picks that need to play.

The Pistons should 100% trade Grant if they can get a late lottery pick or better for him, like the Celtics where he'd fit awesome. They are a franchise with 3 titles and need to stop playing for the 8th seed and swing at some difference makers in the draft. Like Joe Dumars and Isiah Thomas. Doumbouya is only 20 and he's barely playing 13 minutes a game. Grant is their Randle, he's churning out stats on ~37 minutes a game and they aren't going to win **** all.
Zenzibar wrote:Nevertheless, Payton is not a finished product yet and unless the team moves him in a couple of weeks, I anticipate him trending upward with this coaching staff.
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Post#644 » by nedleeds » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:24 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:It’s sad how people want to tank until they land a Lebron type player. Good luck with that...


Not a Lebron type, but an elite player at a premium position.


I'll settle for All-NBA. Not arguably the GOAT. Sad how people even mention LeFlop in a thread about Julius Randle.
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Re: Julius Randle IS a 'cornerstone' player 

Post#645 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:24 pm

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Reign23 wrote:don't get me wrong, I am not looking to "dump" him. but if we get a major package to further invest in the longterm rebuild, I am doing that.

It’s not happening though. Knicks are clearly invested into Randle

I can also live with that, cause he is a very good player.

That’s fair then
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Re: Julius Randle IS a 'cornerstone' player 

Post#646 » by prophet_of_rage » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:25 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:It’s sad how people want to tank until they land a Lebron type player. Good luck with that...


Not a Lebron type, but an elite player at a premium position.

There’s really no one in this draft who’s going to be elite right away.
That's the thing. Thanks to the NBA's AAUification there really are no instant game changers.

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Post#647 » by nedleeds » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:25 pm

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DaGawd wrote:We should bring in Cousins to the Kentucky KnickCats to fill in for Mitch

oh damn... we might do that :lol:


Rockets just picked up his option for the rest of the year. We could trade for him and Wall though at the deadline and unlock the all UK starting lineup.

Wall
IQ
Knox
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Post#648 » by DaGawd » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:26 pm

nedleeds wrote:
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DaGawd wrote:We should bring in Cousins to the Kentucky KnickCats to fill in for Mitch

oh damn... we might do that :lol:


Rockets just picked up his option for the rest of the year. We could trade for him and Wall though at the deadline and unlock the all UK starting lineup.

Wall
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Boogie

News just broke. They’re planning to release him as they want to go small with Woods at the 5 when he returns
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Post#649 » by nedleeds » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:26 pm

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Not a Lebron type, but an elite player at a premium position.

There’s really no one in this draft who’s going to be elite right away.
That's the thing. Thanks to the NBA's AAUification there really are no instant game changers.

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Post#650 » by Reign23 » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:27 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Would the Pacers move Sabonis considering that the Pacers are a 1st round exit? Heat moving Bam since they’re struggling hard? Rockets trading Wood since the Rockets suck? List goes on.

Bam is untouchable I guess, the other two would be moved for a very good offer.


The Pacers are waiting to play with more than 3 of their 5 best players. TJ Warren is out and so is Levert which is all they have to show for Dipo. They're 15-14 without 2 starters playing. They are paying 3 guys $18 million + and Levert almost that ... they should be trying to win, because they don't have a bunch of rookie scale 21 year old lottery picks that need to play.

The Pistons should 100% trade Grant if they can get a late lottery pick or better for him, like the Celtics where he'd fit awesome. They are a franchise with 3 titles and need to stop playing for the 8th seed and swing at some difference makers in the draft. Like Joe Dumars and Isiah Thomas. Doumbouya is only 20 and he's barely playing 13 minutes a game. Grant is their Randle, he's churning out stats on ~37 minutes a game and they aren't going to win **** all.

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Post#651 » by nedleeds » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:28 pm

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Reign23 wrote:oh damn... we might do that :lol:


Rockets just picked up his option for the rest of the year. We could trade for him and Wall though at the deadline and unlock the all UK starting lineup.

Wall
IQ
Knox
Randle
Boogie

News just broke. They’re planning to release him as they want to go small with Woods at the 5 when he returns


Lol. That was fast. I guess they made him whole to do him a solid money wise and have it count as a year of service.
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Post#652 » by DaGawd » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:29 pm

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Rockets just picked up his option for the rest of the year. We could trade for him and Wall though at the deadline and unlock the all UK starting lineup.

Wall
IQ
Knox
Randle
Boogie

News just broke. They’re planning to release him as they want to go small with Woods at the 5 when he returns


Lol. That was fast. I guess they made him whole to do him a solid money wise and have it count as a year of service.

Yeah basically they did him a favor which was cool
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Re: Julius Randle IS a 'cornerstone' player 

Post#653 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:30 pm

I’m cool with Cousins as a backup. Much better than Gibson. Apparently he has been a great vet for Houston as well.
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Post#654 » by Chanel Bomber » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:51 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I saw Nikola Vucevic mentioned in here, and I can't believe some of you don't see the parallels between Randle and him. The Magic looked like they were ready to move on from him, he was going into the last year of his deal and they drafted a young center to potentially groom for the future. Then Vucevic has a career year, they sign him to a 4 year $100 million, they glue their draft pick to the bench despite nice advanced stats, they go 42-40 and earn the right to lose 4-1 to the Raptors, then they go 33-40 and still make the playoffs because this is the East after all, and lose 4-1 to the Bucks.


Vucevic is a nice player, he'd be a great number 3 guy on the Raptors or Celtics, but you don't build around him. Randle could be a good number 3, or an excellent 6th man, you don't build around him as part of your core. There isn't a single contending team that would have Randle as part of their core, and we're about to build around him as though he's Embiid :lol:

There definitely are parallels between Vucevic and Randle.

I think there's a major difference however in that Vucevic is a center who can't protect the rim (and isn't a generational genius like Jokic to make up for it), which means his teams will always have a ceiling, unless surrounded by All-NBA talent across the line-up. It just makes everything more difficult.

Randle can play alongside a defensive center that anchors the defense. Granted, ideally he would be playing with a Myles Turner who can create more space for him on offense, but you get my point.
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Post#655 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:00 am

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I saw Nikola Vucevic mentioned in here, and I can't believe some of you don't see the parallels between Randle and him. The Magic looked like they were ready to move on from him, he was going into the last year of his deal and they drafted a young center to potentially groom for the future. Then Vucevic has a career year, they sign him to a 4 year $100 million, they glue their draft pick to the bench despite nice advanced stats, they go 42-40 and earn the right to lose 4-1 to the Raptors, then they go 33-40 and still make the playoffs because this is the East after all, and lose 4-1 to the Bucks.


Vucevic is a nice player, he'd be a great number 3 guy on the Raptors or Celtics, but you don't build around him. Randle could be a good number 3, or an excellent 6th man, you don't build around him as part of your core. There isn't a single contending team that would have Randle as part of their core, and we're about to build around him as though he's Embiid :lol:

There definitely are parallels between Vucevic and Randle.

I think there's a major difference however in that Vucevic is a center who can't protect the rim (and isn't a generational genius like Jokic to make up for it), which means his teams will always have a ceiling, unless surrounded by All-NBA talent across the line-up. It just makes everything more difficult.

Randle can play alongside a defensive center that anchors the defense. Granted, ideally he would be playing with a Myles Turner who can create more space for him on offense, but you get my point.

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Re: Julius Randle IS a 'cornerstone' player 

Post#656 » by prophet_of_rage » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:00 am

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3toheadmelo wrote:There’s really no one in this draft who’s going to be elite right away.
That's the thing. Thanks to the NBA's AAUification there really are no instant game changers.

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He isn't instantly changing Memphis. He doesn't make thebgame easier for his teammates and needs JJJ to win.

Love the guy but he isn't changing thatbfranchise.

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Post#657 » by NewKnicks » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:09 am

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It's worth a shot, this year at least. There are 5 potential franchise changers in the upcoming draft. If we could get one of them, it could skyrocket our chances of this franchise actually getting somewhere in the next 5-7 years. I don't support tanking, but it wouldn't be such a bad thing if we dropped and got lucky in the lottery.

At least you not looking at the lottery as some sure fire fix it seems. Tbh I don’t see 5 potential franchise players in this draft. If they are it’ll be further down the road not immediate imo
Me neither. I think there is a lot of hype but 5 franchise guys means thia draft is better than 03.

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It could end up being that way, neither of us know. But I'm not saying it will be. I said franchise changers, not franchise players. An all-star player is a franchise changer as well.
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Post#658 » by NewKnicks » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:21 am

Gravy wrote:I have a question for those that want to trade Randle. Should the Pistons get rid of Jerami Grant? He's also having a breakout all star type year, yet he's the player many people here would have loved for us to sign.


It's not about 'getting rid of Randle'. For me it's about the haul we could potentially get back. Let's say we drop off and land a top 5 pick in the lottery, and then we trade Randle for another one of the top 5 slots (I don't think those teams will give us one of the top 5 picks, but this is for conversation sake). We could have 2 of those top 5 players in the upcoming draft, Mitch, RJ and IQ. That would fit our timeline as well as far as players ages..

Imagine two of Cade/Kominga/Suggs/Mobley/Green and RJ/Mitch/IQ. Wow. Now that would be a team to get excited about.
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Post#659 » by NewKnicks » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:25 am

3toheadmelo wrote:It’s sad how people want to tank until they land a Lebron type player. Good luck with that...


For me it's all about the next draft. I don't care what happens after this year. We've been bad for this long, what's wrong with doing it for one more year so we could potentially draft an all-star player to play alongside Randle/Mitch/RJ and IQ?

I don't want to tank, but if we lost enough to secure a top 5 pick this year it would be fine by me.
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Post#660 » by NewKnicks » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:27 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
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3toheadmelo wrote:It’s sad how people want to tank until they land a Lebron type player. Good luck with that...


Not a Lebron type, but an elite player at a premium position.

There’s really no one in this draft who’s going to be elite right away.


You don't know that. Also, why would we need the player to be elite right away? We're extremely young and could wait a few years for the player to bloom.

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