Julius Randle IS a 'cornerstone' player

[NewKnicks]

It’s sad how people want to tank until they land a Lebron type player. Good luck with that...

I get your point of view. I really do and think it is ok to think that way. I just think you are fighting this hard for that point because it is your favorite player. but that is a good reason, tho. that is what we all do.

Randle isn’t even my favorite player in the league lol. But it makes no sense for us to trade Randle. Just like how it doesn’t make sense for the Heat to trade Bam, Pacers to trade Sabonis and Rockets to trade Wood.

The Heat were in the Finals last year. There is zero valid comparisons between the two franchises.

If the Rockets could get a top 5 pick, I bet they would move Wood.

You're right, I doubt Pacers move on from Sabonis.

But none of those players are 'untouchable'. There's only a handful of untouchable players in the NBA. For the right haul, most teams will move anyone on their teams.

[Gravy]

I have a question for those that want to trade Randle. Should the Pistons get rid of Jerami Grant? He's also having a breakout all star type year, yet he's the player many people here would have loved for us to sign.

It's not about 'getting rid of Randle'. For me it's about the haul we could potentially get back. Let's say we drop off and land a top 5 pick in the lottery, and then we trade Randle for another one of the top 5 slots (I don't think those teams will give us one of the top 5 picks, but this is for conversation sake). We could have 2 of those top 5 players in the upcoming draft, Mitch, RJ and IQ. That would fit our timeline as well as far as players ages..

Imagine two of Cade/Kominga/Suggs/Mobley/Green and RJ/Mitch/IQ. Wow. Now that would be a team to get excited about.

Sure that's one way to build. I'm not against it. I'm only against tankers saying the only way to improve is to keep tanking forever.

Its not foolproof either, Mitch RJ and IQ could overachieve and still land you outside of the top 5 along with the lottery odds. Those players you named could be busts or just decent players that arent as good as Randle. Its much more likely that both those things happen since most draft picks are not future allstars and we never move up in the lotto.

[prophet_of_rage]

At least you not looking at the lottery as some sure fire fix it seems. Tbh I don’t see 5 potential franchise players in this draft. If they are it’ll be further down the road not immediate imo

Me neither. I think there is a lot of hype but 5 franchise guys means thia draft is better than 03.

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It could end up being that way, neither of us know. But I'm not saying it will be. I said franchise changers, not franchise players. An all-star player is a franchise changer as well.

If that's the metric any talent increase is a franchise changer for us.

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[NewKnicks]

We should bring in Cousins to the Kentucky KnickCats to fill in for Mitch

oh damn... we might do that

Rockets just picked up his option for the rest of the year. We could trade for him and Wall though at the deadline and unlock the all UK starting lineup.

Wall
IQ
Knox
Randle
Boogie

[prophet_of_rage]

I have a question for those that want to trade Randle. Should the Pistons get rid of Jerami Grant? He's also having a breakout all star type year, yet he's the player many people here would have loved for us to sign.

It's not about 'getting rid of Randle'. For me it's about the haul we could potentially get back. Let's say we drop off and land a top 5 pick in the lottery, and then we trade Randle for another one of the top 5 slots (I don't think those teams will give us one of the top 5 picks, but this is for conversation sake). We could have 2 of those top 5 players in the upcoming draft, Mitch, RJ and IQ. That would fit our timeline as well as far as players ages..

Imagine two of Cade/Kominga/Suggs/Mobley/Green and RJ/Mitch/IQ. Wow. Now that would be a team to get excited about.

Until it loses regularly in the RS because it isn't good enough.

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[NewKnicks]

That's the thing. Thanks to the NBA's AAUification there really are no instant game changers.

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He isn't instantly changing Memphis. He doesn't make thebgame easier for his teammates and needs JJJ to win.

Love the guy but he isn't changing thatbfranchise.

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He's definitely a franchise changer. You guys don't think anyone is good around here..

[NewKnicks]

I have a question for those that want to trade Randle. Should the Pistons get rid of Jerami Grant? He's also having a breakout all star type year, yet he's the player many people here would have loved for us to sign.

It's not about 'getting rid of Randle'. For me it's about the haul we could potentially get back. Let's say we drop off and land a top 5 pick in the lottery, and then we trade Randle for another one of the top 5 slots (I don't think those teams will give us one of the top 5 picks, but this is for conversation sake). We could have 2 of those top 5 players in the upcoming draft, Mitch, RJ and IQ. That would fit our timeline as well as far as players ages..

Imagine two of Cade/Kominga/Suggs/Mobley/Green and RJ/Mitch/IQ. Wow. Now that would be a team to get excited about.

Sure that's one way to build. I'm not against it. I'm only against tankers saying the only way to improve is to keep tanking forever.

Its not foolproof either, Mitch RJ and IQ could overachieve and still land you outside of the top 5 along with the lottery odds. Those players you named could be busts or just decent players that arent as good as Randle. Its much more likely that both those things happen since most draft picks are not future allstars and we never move up in the lotto.

Agreed. No path is fool-proof. I just happen to think this is one of the better drafts in recent years. Any one of them could be a flat out bust. But then again, Randle could revert to how he played last year in the coming years as well. That is also a possibility.

I like the idea of selling high on Randle. His value might never get as high as it potentially is right now, and we might actually get a good haul in a trade. Not saying we should do that, but I like the idea.

[Gravy]

It's not about 'getting rid of Randle'. For me it's about the haul we could potentially get back. Let's say we drop off and land a top 5 pick in the lottery, and then we trade Randle for another one of the top 5 slots (I don't think those teams will give us one of the top 5 picks, but this is for conversation sake). We could have 2 of those top 5 players in the upcoming draft, Mitch, RJ and IQ. That would fit our timeline as well as far as players ages..

Imagine two of Cade/Kominga/Suggs/Mobley/Green and RJ/Mitch/IQ. Wow. Now that would be a team to get excited about.

Sure that's one way to build. I'm not against it. I'm only against tankers saying the only way to improve is to keep tanking forever.

Its not foolproof either, Mitch RJ and IQ could overachieve and still land you outside of the top 5 along with the lottery odds. Those players you named could be busts or just decent players that arent as good as Randle. Its much more likely that both those things happen since most draft picks are not future allstars and we never move up in the lotto.

Agreed. No path is fool-proof. I just happen to think this is one of the better drafts in recent years. Any one of them could be a flat out bust. But then again, Randle could revert to how he played last year in the coming years as well. That is also a possibility.

I like the idea of selling high on Randle. His value might never get as high as it potentially is right now, and we might actually get a good haul in a trade. Not saying we should do that, but I like the idea.

It will be interesting to look back at this draft a few years from now. This draft has been hyped up more than any Ive seen recently. If the top 5 are all franchise players like everyone keeps saying then its better than the 2003 draft with Bron, Melo, Wade and Bosh.

[NewKnicks]

Me neither. I think there is a lot of hype but 5 franchise guys means thia draft is better than 03.

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It could end up being that way, neither of us know. But I'm not saying it will be. I said franchise changers, not franchise players. An all-star player is a franchise changer as well.

If that's the metric any talent increase is a franchise changer for us.

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I guess you can't figure what I mean by franchise changer. I'll end the conversation here.

[NewKnicks]

I have a question for those that want to trade Randle. Should the Pistons get rid of Jerami Grant? He's also having a breakout all star type year, yet he's the player many people here would have loved for us to sign.

It's not about 'getting rid of Randle'. For me it's about the haul we could potentially get back. Let's say we drop off and land a top 5 pick in the lottery, and then we trade Randle for another one of the top 5 slots (I don't think those teams will give us one of the top 5 picks, but this is for conversation sake). We could have 2 of those top 5 players in the upcoming draft, Mitch, RJ and IQ. That would fit our timeline as well as far as players ages..

Imagine two of Cade/Kominga/Suggs/Mobley/Green and RJ/Mitch/IQ. Wow. Now that would be a team to get excited about.

Until it loses regularly in the RS because it isn't good enough.

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I get it. You love Randle and don't think we should consider any other options except building around him. And that's fine.

[NewKnicks]

Sure that's one way to build. I'm not against it. I'm only against tankers saying the only way to improve is to keep tanking forever.

Its not foolproof either, Mitch RJ and IQ could overachieve and still land you outside of the top 5 along with the lottery odds. Those players you named could be busts or just decent players that arent as good as Randle. Its much more likely that both those things happen since most draft picks are not future allstars and we never move up in the lotto.

Agreed. No path is fool-proof. I just happen to think this is one of the better drafts in recent years. Any one of them could be a flat out bust. But then again, Randle could revert to how he played last year in the coming years as well. That is also a possibility.

I like the idea of selling high on Randle. His value might never get as high as it potentially is right now, and we might actually get a good haul in a trade. Not saying we should do that, but I like the idea.

It will be interesting to look back at this draft a few years from now. This draft has been hyped up more than any Ive seen recently. If the top 5 are all franchise players like everyone keeps saying then its better than the 2003 draft with Bron, Melo, Wade and Bosh.

I'm not going that far by any stretch. But, they all do (individually) project to be really good players in the NBA by just about all the so-called experts out there. I'm not alone in thinking all 5 could potentially be great in the league. It's actually doubtful that happens though. I'm sure 1-2 out the 5 don't have the same success as the others.

[nedleeds]

He isn't instantly changing Memphis. He doesn't make thebgame easier for his teammates and needs JJJ to win.

Love the guy but he isn't changing thatbfranchise.

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He's definitely a franchise changer. You guys don't think anyone is good around here..

Yeah, he's 100% a changer. His skill level, balls and athleticism are all elite. He had them in in the playoff run in the West without JJJ and with some turds in the lineup. His only question is can he play with a little more control while he gets stronger so he doesn't die. Dude tries to rack every mother **** in his path.

If we had 1 spot higher and had him instead of RJ this thread wouldn't even exist. Nobody would be talking about a road apple like Randle.

[prophet_of_rage]

He isn't instantly changing Memphis. He doesn't make thebgame easier for his teammates and needs JJJ to win.

Love the guy but he isn't changing thatbfranchise.

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He's definitely a franchise changer. You guys don't think anyone is good around here..

I thibk plenty of people are good. Hell I think Randle is good. RJ is good.

I just don't think the AAU players that come into the league now are ready to be franchise talents. They need too many pieces to win. It's the culture.

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[prophet_of_rage]

It's not about 'getting rid of Randle'. For me it's about the haul we could potentially get back. Let's say we drop off and land a top 5 pick in the lottery, and then we trade Randle for another one of the top 5 slots (I don't think those teams will give us one of the top 5 picks, but this is for conversation sake). We could have 2 of those top 5 players in the upcoming draft, Mitch, RJ and IQ. That would fit our timeline as well as far as players ages..

Imagine two of Cade/Kominga/Suggs/Mobley/Green and RJ/Mitch/IQ. Wow. Now that would be a team to get excited about.

Until it loses regularly in the RS because it isn't good enough.

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I get it. You love Randle and don't think we should consider any other options except building around him. And that's fine.

You don't get it at all. I don't believe in the AAU kids and their hype.

The Pelicans and Grizz have records near the Knicks with much more talent. The AAU kids just aren't ready fast enough for me to prefer them to spme current talent.

I believe in building through a mix of drafts, trades and free agency.

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[prophet_of_rage]

He isn't instantly changing Memphis. He doesn't make thebgame easier for his teammates and needs JJJ to win.

Love the guy but he isn't changing thatbfranchise.

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He's definitely a franchise changer. You guys don't think anyone is good around here..

Yeah, he's 100% a changer. His skill level, balls and athleticism are all elite. He had them in in the playoff run in the West without JJJ and with some turds in the lineup. His only question is can he play with a little more control while he gets stronger so he doesn't die. Dude tries to rack every mother **** in his path.

If we had 1 spot higher and had him instead of RJ this thread wouldn't even exist. Nobody would be talking about a road apple like Randle.

You know he midsed that dunk, right? But yes his athleticism is crazy. Still the Grizz are a middling 13-13 despite fielding Brandon Clarke, JV, Morant and Brooks.

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[whocares1]

He isn't instantly changing Memphis. He doesn't make thebgame easier for his teammates and needs JJJ to win.

Love the guy but he isn't changing thatbfranchise.

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He's definitely a franchise changer. You guys don't think anyone is good around here..

I thibk plenty of people are good. Hell I think Randle is good. RJ is good.

I just don't think the AAU players that come into the league now are ready to be franchise talents. They need too many pieces to win. It's the culture.

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I mean it would be nice to draft a Lillard, Embiid, Donovan Mitchell, Ben Simmons level talent to add to the young core of players that we have instead of building for a middling playoff team in the East.

We have to look at the best teams in the league and set them as a standard and if we focus on ourselves only we will be arguing back and forth in game threads on how Thibs isn’t a good coach or that “our effort sucks” when in reality the team just isn’t being built to win it all and instead is being built to win as many games as it can while ultimately always falling short of the ultimate goal.

[DickGrayson]

He isn't instantly changing Memphis. He doesn't make thebgame easier for his teammates and needs JJJ to win.

Love the guy but he isn't changing thatbfranchise.

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He's definitely a franchise changer. You guys don't think anyone is good around here..

I agree.

I think Ja Morant personality and determination is made for progress. He gives me Iverson vibes too based on his demeanor and willpower. He will shoot 50% FG eventually too and provide energy on both ends of the floor. I think he has potential to average 25-30 ppg and average 10 apg. He'll be up there with Trae Young and Ja isn't close to peaking at all. He's only 21.

[LugerLex]

He isn't instantly changing Memphis. He doesn't make thebgame easier for his teammates and needs JJJ to win.

Love the guy but he isn't changing thatbfranchise.

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He's definitely a franchise changer. You guys don't think anyone is good around here..

This....^^^^
I was here when people would say hella disrespectful stuff about Randle saying how fast we needed to get rid of him I would quietly point out that you need to show loyalty in order to build a winning franchise. Continuity, for everyone’s sake, fans can’t keep buying a new jersey every year because we keep switching rosters... Randle was young, 20 and 10, bully ball, decent shot, decent defense, played with Kobe, I def believed in him from day 1 and would like to see him paired with another star on the Knicks through free agency.

As for Ja Morant you’re right these guys don’t think anybody is good. Ja almost singlehandedly made Memphis highlights interesting and now their other young guys are starting to step up. Memphis has completely rebuilt and Ja is the clear leader. He makes it easier for teammates idk what theyre seeing

[prophet_of_rage]

He isn't instantly changing Memphis. He doesn't make thebgame easier for his teammates and needs JJJ to win.

Love the guy but he isn't changing thatbfranchise.

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He's definitely a franchise changer. You guys don't think anyone is good around here..

This....^^^^
I was here when people would say hella disrespectful stuff about Randle saying how fast we needed to get rid of him I would quietly point out that you need to show loyalty in order to build a winning franchise. Continuity, for everyone’s sake, fans can’t keep buying a new jersey every year because we keep switching rosters... Randle was young, 20 and 10, bully ball, decent shot, decent defense, played with Kobe, I def believed in him from day 1 and would like to see him paired with another star on the Knicks through free agency.

As for Ja Morant you’re right these guys don’t think anybody is good. Ja almost singlehandedly made Memphis highlights interesting and now their other young guys are starting to step up. Memphis has completely rebuilt and Ja is the clear leader. He makes it easier for teammates idk what theyre seeing

I see a small guard leading a team to a middling record woth more talent than we currently have.

I don't think switching Randle for a guy like him changes the Knicks much. Adding him to Randle does.

I'm not for jettisoning everybody for a theoretical draft pick. Find talent wherever you pick and build incrementally.

If we lose we lose. If we win we win. But there aren't guys like Duncan or James in this draft.

We can find somebodu whereever we pick if we just eval properly. I wouldn't try to start from new.

We're one competent point away from seeing a level jump.

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[nedleeds]

He isn't instantly changing Memphis. He doesn't make thebgame easier for his teammates and needs JJJ to win.

Love the guy but he isn't changing thatbfranchise.

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He's definitely a franchise changer. You guys don't think anyone is good around here..

This....^^^^
I was here when people would say hella disrespectful stuff about Randle saying how fast we needed to get rid of him I would quietly point out that you need to show loyalty in order to build a winning franchise. Continuity, for everyone’s sake, fans can’t keep buying a new jersey every year because we keep switching rosters... Randle was young, 20 and 10, bully ball, decent shot, decent defense, played with Kobe, I def believed in him from day 1 and would like to see him paired with another star on the Knicks through free agency.

As for Ja Morant you’re right these guys don’t think anybody is good. Ja almost singlehandedly made Memphis highlights interesting and now their other young guys are starting to step up. Memphis has completely rebuilt and Ja is the clear leader. He makes it easier for teammates idk what theyre seeing

He makes everyone on his team better. He dragged a crap roster to the play in in the West as a rookie. He didn't have JJJ, their second best player for the last 6 games though. Past JJJ nobody on their roster would start on a contending team.

Dillon Brooks
J.V.
Kyle Anderson
DeAnthony Melton
Brandon Clarke

Replace RJ with Ja and we'd have a completely different outlook and future. To put it in perspective, Memphis wouldn't trade Ja for Mitch / RJ and Randle cap madness not withstanding. Finding Ja, Luka level talents outside the top 5 or 6 in the draft is very hard.