Julius Randle IS a 'cornerstone' player

[prophet_of_rage]

He's definitely a franchise changer. You guys don't think anyone is good around here..

This....^^^^
I was here when people would say hella disrespectful stuff about Randle saying how fast we needed to get rid of him I would quietly point out that you need to show loyalty in order to build a winning franchise. Continuity, for everyone’s sake, fans can’t keep buying a new jersey every year because we keep switching rosters... Randle was young, 20 and 10, bully ball, decent shot, decent defense, played with Kobe, I def believed in him from day 1 and would like to see him paired with another star on the Knicks through free agency.

As for Ja Morant you’re right these guys don’t think anybody is good. Ja almost singlehandedly made Memphis highlights interesting and now their other young guys are starting to step up. Memphis has completely rebuilt and Ja is the clear leader. He makes it easier for teammates idk what theyre seeing

He makes everyone on his team better. He dragged a crap roster to the play in in the West as a rookie. He didn't have JJJ, their second best player for the last 6 games though. Past JJJ nobody on their roster would start on a contending team.

Dillon Brooks
J.V.
Kyle Anderson
DeAnthony Melton
Brandon Clarke

Replace RJ with Ja and we'd have a completely different outlook and future. To put it in perspective, Memphis wouldn't trade Ja for Mitch / RJ and Randle cap madness not withstanding. Finding Ja, Luka level talents outside the top 5 or 6 in the draft is very hard.

This is where I bieve we devalue our own. I think RJ will be better than Ja sooner rather than later.

And Ja's playstyle can be found later in the draft as Mitchell, SGA, can attest.

And we just have to add a player like that and then a reliable shooter and our starting 5 is set.

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[NewKnicks]

Until it loses regularly in the RS because it isn't good enough.

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I get it. You love Randle and don't think we should consider any other options except building around him. And that's fine.

You don't get it at all. I don't believe in the AAU kids and their hype.

The Pelicans and Grizz have records near the Knicks with much more talent. The AAU kids just aren't ready fast enough for me to prefer them to spme current talent.

I believe in building through a mix of drafts, trades and free agency.

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It took Jordan 7 years to win a title. You're not being fair to either Zion or Morant. Give them some more time dude.

[NewKnicks]

He's definitely a franchise changer. You guys don't think anyone is good around here..

Yeah, he's 100% a changer. His skill level, balls and athleticism are all elite. He had them in in the playoff run in the West without JJJ and with some turds in the lineup. His only question is can he play with a little more control while he gets stronger so he doesn't die. Dude tries to rack every mother **** in his path.

If we had 1 spot higher and had him instead of RJ this thread wouldn't even exist. Nobody would be talking about a road apple like Randle.

You know he midsed that dunk, right? But yes his athleticism is crazy. Still the Grizz are a middling 13-13 despite fielding Brandon Clarke, JV, Morant and Brooks.

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13-13 is still better than the RANDLE lead Knicks. Not the RJ LEAD Knicks. Grizz are the MORANT LEAD Grizz. Also a big difference.

[NewKnicks]

He isn't instantly changing Memphis. He doesn't make thebgame easier for his teammates and needs JJJ to win.

Love the guy but he isn't changing thatbfranchise.

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He's definitely a franchise changer. You guys don't think anyone is good around here..

I agree.

I think Ja Morant personality and determination is made for progress. He gives me Iverson vibes too based on his demeanor and willpower. He will shoot 50% FG eventually too and provide energy on both ends of the floor. I think he has potential to average 25-30 ppg and average 10 apg. He'll be up there with Trae Young and Ja isn't close to peaking at all. He's only 21.

I like the AI comparison, but AI was more of a pure scorer, whereas Ja is more of a pass first guy. But that doesn't mean he can't light up the scoreboard when he wants to.

If we just could have got the 1 or 2 in that draft instead of 3.. what could have been..

we would be talking about a lot of different things on this board instead of trying to defend RJ when he isn't playing well. This doesn't mean I don't think RJ has a good future, but those two will impact the Pels and the Grizz more than RJ will impact the Knicks.

[NewKnicks]

He isn't instantly changing Memphis. He doesn't make thebgame easier for his teammates and needs JJJ to win.

Love the guy but he isn't changing thatbfranchise.

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He's definitely a franchise changer. You guys don't think anyone is good around here..

This....^^^^
I was here when people would say hella disrespectful stuff about Randle saying how fast we needed to get rid of him I would quietly point out that you need to show loyalty in order to build a winning franchise. Continuity, for everyone’s sake, fans can’t keep buying a new jersey every year because we keep switching rosters... Randle was young, 20 and 10, bully ball, decent shot, decent defense, played with Kobe, I def believed in him from day 1 and would like to see him paired with another star on the Knicks through free agency.

As for Ja Morant you’re right these guys don’t think anybody is good. Ja almost singlehandedly made Memphis highlights interesting and now their other young guys are starting to step up. Memphis has completely rebuilt and Ja is the clear leader. He makes it easier for teammates idk what theyre seeing

It has everything to do with the fact that we missed out on him and Zion in that draft. If we had either one of those players, everyone on this board would be talking about them as future franchise players. It's only about defending RJ.

[NewKnicks]

He's definitely a franchise changer. You guys don't think anyone is good around here..

This....^^^^
I was here when people would say hella disrespectful stuff about Randle saying how fast we needed to get rid of him I would quietly point out that you need to show loyalty in order to build a winning franchise. Continuity, for everyone’s sake, fans can’t keep buying a new jersey every year because we keep switching rosters... Randle was young, 20 and 10, bully ball, decent shot, decent defense, played with Kobe, I def believed in him from day 1 and would like to see him paired with another star on the Knicks through free agency.

As for Ja Morant you’re right these guys don’t think anybody is good. Ja almost singlehandedly made Memphis highlights interesting and now their other young guys are starting to step up. Memphis has completely rebuilt and Ja is the clear leader. He makes it easier for teammates idk what theyre seeing

I see a small guard leading a team to a middling record woth more talent than we currently have.

I don't think switching Randle for a guy like him changes the Knicks much. Adding him to Randle does.

I'm not for jettisoning everybody for a theoretical draft pick. Find talent wherever you pick and build incrementally.

If we lose we lose. If we win we win. But there aren't guys like Duncan or James in this draft.

We can find somebodu whereever we pick if we just eval properly. I wouldn't try to start from new.

We're one competent point away from seeing a level jump.

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You don't know that. Either do I. But it is a possibility. Also, I'm not saying that they are LBJ or Duncan level of talent. That's a ridiculous comparison. But they could end up being all-stars. All of them have all-star potential. Which means if we were to get one of them, it could change the trajectory of the franchise.

[NewKnicks]

He's definitely a franchise changer. You guys don't think anyone is good around here..

This....^^^^
I was here when people would say hella disrespectful stuff about Randle saying how fast we needed to get rid of him I would quietly point out that you need to show loyalty in order to build a winning franchise. Continuity, for everyone’s sake, fans can’t keep buying a new jersey every year because we keep switching rosters... Randle was young, 20 and 10, bully ball, decent shot, decent defense, played with Kobe, I def believed in him from day 1 and would like to see him paired with another star on the Knicks through free agency.

As for Ja Morant you’re right these guys don’t think anybody is good. Ja almost singlehandedly made Memphis highlights interesting and now their other young guys are starting to step up. Memphis has completely rebuilt and Ja is the clear leader. He makes it easier for teammates idk what theyre seeing

I see a small guard leading a team to a middling record woth more talent than we currently have.

I don't think switching Randle for a guy like him changes the Knicks much. Adding him to Randle does.

I'm not for jettisoning everybody for a theoretical draft pick. Find talent wherever you pick and build incrementally.

If we lose we lose. If we win we win. But there aren't guys like Duncan or James in this draft.

We can find somebodu whereever we pick if we just eval properly. I wouldn't try to start from new.

We're one competent point away from seeing a level jump.

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Apparently you're suggesting that because either the Grizz or Pelicans aren't close to winning chips yet, that those two players must not be living up to the hype. Jordan took 7 years. Give them some time.

On top of that, they don't make the front office decisions. There is also a chance that one or both of those franchises don't add the right players around Zion or Morant. Doesn't make it either of their faults.

[NewKnicks]

This....^^^^
I was here when people would say hella disrespectful stuff about Randle saying how fast we needed to get rid of him I would quietly point out that you need to show loyalty in order to build a winning franchise. Continuity, for everyone’s sake, fans can’t keep buying a new jersey every year because we keep switching rosters... Randle was young, 20 and 10, bully ball, decent shot, decent defense, played with Kobe, I def believed in him from day 1 and would like to see him paired with another star on the Knicks through free agency.

As for Ja Morant you’re right these guys don’t think anybody is good. Ja almost singlehandedly made Memphis highlights interesting and now their other young guys are starting to step up. Memphis has completely rebuilt and Ja is the clear leader. He makes it easier for teammates idk what theyre seeing

He makes everyone on his team better. He dragged a crap roster to the play in in the West as a rookie. He didn't have JJJ, their second best player for the last 6 games though. Past JJJ nobody on their roster would start on a contending team.

Dillon Brooks
J.V.
Kyle Anderson
DeAnthony Melton
Brandon Clarke

Replace RJ with Ja and we'd have a completely different outlook and future. To put it in perspective, Memphis wouldn't trade Ja for Mitch / RJ and Randle cap madness not withstanding. Finding Ja, Luka level talents outside the top 5 or 6 in the draft is very hard.

This is where I bieve we devalue our own. I think RJ will be better than Ja sooner rather than later.

And Ja's playstyle can be found later in the draft as Mitchell, SGA, can attest.

And we just have to add a player like that and then a reliable shooter and our starting 5 is set.

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Oh yeah, JUST add a player like Ja? The ONLY chance we have at doing that is by getting into the top 5 of this coming draft. Stop pretending players like Ja are growing on trees..

[3toheadmelo]

Yeah, he's 100% a changer. His skill level, balls and athleticism are all elite. He had them in in the playoff run in the West without JJJ and with some turds in the lineup. His only question is can he play with a little more control while he gets stronger so he doesn't die. Dude tries to rack every mother **** in his path.

If we had 1 spot higher and had him instead of RJ this thread wouldn't even exist. Nobody would be talking about a road apple like Randle.

You know he midsed that dunk, right? But yes his athleticism is crazy. Still the Grizz are a middling 13-13 despite fielding Brandon Clarke, JV, Morant and Brooks.

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13-13 is still better than the RANDLE lead Knicks. Not the RJ LEAD Knicks. Grizz are the MORANT LEAD Grizz. Also a big difference.

The big difference is the supporting cast Ja Morant has versus what Randle has. Ja better have a better record..

[BugginOut]

This....^^^^
I was here when people would say hella disrespectful stuff about Randle saying how fast we needed to get rid of him I would quietly point out that you need to show loyalty in order to build a winning franchise. Continuity, for everyone’s sake, fans can’t keep buying a new jersey every year because we keep switching rosters... Randle was young, 20 and 10, bully ball, decent shot, decent defense, played with Kobe, I def believed in him from day 1 and would like to see him paired with another star on the Knicks through free agency.

As for Ja Morant you’re right these guys don’t think anybody is good. Ja almost singlehandedly made Memphis highlights interesting and now their other young guys are starting to step up. Memphis has completely rebuilt and Ja is the clear leader. He makes it easier for teammates idk what theyre seeing

I see a small guard leading a team to a middling record woth more talent than we currently have.

I don't think switching Randle for a guy like him changes the Knicks much. Adding him to Randle does.

I'm not for jettisoning everybody for a theoretical draft pick. Find talent wherever you pick and build incrementally.

If we lose we lose. If we win we win. But there aren't guys like Duncan or James in this draft.

We can find somebodu whereever we pick if we just eval properly. I wouldn't try to start from new.

We're one competent point away from seeing a level jump.

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You don't know that. Either do I. But it is a possibility. Also, I'm not saying that they are LBJ or Duncan level of talent. That's a ridiculous comparison. But they could end up being all-stars. All of them have all-star potential. Which means if we were to get one of them, it could change the trajectory of the franchise.

So we would Trade Randle who is an all star to tank for a player who can potentially be an all-star?

Drafting an all-star player will not change the trajectory of the franchise. All-stars are a dime a dozen. Drafting and MVP player might change something, but there is usually only one MVP every 3 to 4 drafts and usually it takes 7 years for the player to get to that level.

You got to stop looking at fantasies and think about building with what we already have.

[3toheadmelo]

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[NewKnicks]

I see a small guard leading a team to a middling record woth more talent than we currently have.

I don't think switching Randle for a guy like him changes the Knicks much. Adding him to Randle does.

I'm not for jettisoning everybody for a theoretical draft pick. Find talent wherever you pick and build incrementally.

If we lose we lose. If we win we win. But there aren't guys like Duncan or James in this draft.

We can find somebodu whereever we pick if we just eval properly. I wouldn't try to start from new.

We're one competent point away from seeing a level jump.

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You don't know that. Either do I. But it is a possibility. Also, I'm not saying that they are LBJ or Duncan level of talent. That's a ridiculous comparison. But they could end up being all-stars. All of them have all-star potential. Which means if we were to get one of them, it could change the trajectory of the franchise.

So we would Trade Randle who is an all star to tank for a player who can potentially be an all-star?

Drafting an all-star player will not change the trajectory of the franchise. All-stars are a dime a dozen. Drafting and MVP player might change something, but there is usually only one MVP every 3 to 4 drafts and usually it takes 7 years for the player to get to that level.

You got to stop looking at fantasies and think about building with what we already have.

I get your point. But moving Randle now at an all-time high as far potentially getting great assets in return could be the right move. I don't believe we'll win in all with Randle in a Knicks uniform. He is a great player (this year), but I don't even see him as a #2 on a championship team. #3, I could go with that. Plus he's older than our young core. Another reason it could be good to move him if we can get into the top 5. I believe there is franchise player talent in this draft. It obviously won't be all 5 of them, but one or two could be franchise players.

If we could luck into getting into the top 5 (because we drop this year), and also trade Randle to get another spot in the top 5, that would be incredible.

[NewKnicks]

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Honestly, this level up by Randle this year is amazing. It's not like I just want to dump him.. Also, why can't he level up again next year?

I don't want to move him just to move him. But I would for the right haul in return.

[BugginOut]

You don't know that. Either do I. But it is a possibility. Also, I'm not saying that they are LBJ or Duncan level of talent. That's a ridiculous comparison. But they could end up being all-stars. All of them have all-star potential. Which means if we were to get one of them, it could change the trajectory of the franchise.

So we would Trade Randle who is an all star to tank for a player who can potentially be an all-star?

Drafting an all-star player will not change the trajectory of the franchise. All-stars are a dime a dozen. Drafting and MVP player might change something, but there is usually only one MVP every 3 to 4 drafts and usually it takes 7 years for the player to get to that level.

You got to stop looking at fantasies and think about building with what we already have.

I get your point. But moving Randle now at an all-time high as far potentially getting great assets in return could be the right move. I don't believe we'll win in all with Randle in a Knicks uniform. He is a great player (this year), but I don't even see him as a #2 on a championship team. #3, I could go with that. Plus he's older than our young core. Another reason it could be good to move him if we can get into the top 5. I believe there is franchise player talent in this draft. It obviously won't be all 5 of them, but one or two could be franchise players.

If we could luck into getting into the top 5 (because we drop this year), and also trade Randle to get another spot in the top 5, that would be incredible.

Woj mentioned this but the trade market is dead. There is no realistic trade scenario we could do where we could equal value for Randle. No team that needs him has a top 5 pick to trade for him. Also Randle is 26. We can potentially have 6 or more years of him playing at a high level, he definitely fits with our core.

Also I definitely think he can be #2 if we get an MVP level player and high end role players. Kawhi won with Siakem and Lowry as his 2nd and 3rd best players and Randle is at that level now. We just need to hope IQ, RJ and Mitch develop and then we can sign our #1 in FA.

[NewKnicks]

So we would Trade Randle who is an all star to tank for a player who can potentially be an all-star?

Drafting an all-star player will not change the trajectory of the franchise. All-stars are a dime a dozen. Drafting and MVP player might change something, but there is usually only one MVP every 3 to 4 drafts and usually it takes 7 years for the player to get to that level.

You got to stop looking at fantasies and think about building with what we already have.

I get your point. But moving Randle now at an all-time high as far potentially getting great assets in return could be the right move. I don't believe we'll win in all with Randle in a Knicks uniform. He is a great player (this year), but I don't even see him as a #2 on a championship team. #3, I could go with that. Plus he's older than our young core. Another reason it could be good to move him if we can get into the top 5. I believe there is franchise player talent in this draft. It obviously won't be all 5 of them, but one or two could be franchise players.

If we could luck into getting into the top 5 (because we drop this year), and also trade Randle to get another spot in the top 5, that would be incredible.

Woj mentioned this but the trade market is dead. There is no realistic trade scenario we could do where we could equal value for Randle. No team that needs him has a top 5 pick to trade for him. Also Randle is 26. We can potentially have 6 or more years of him playing at a high level, he definitely fits with our core.

Also I definitely think he can be #2 if we get an MVP level player and high end role players. Kawhi won with Siakem and Lowry as his 2nd and 3rd best players and Randle is at that level now. We just need to hope IQ, RJ and Mitch develop and then we can sign our #1 in FA.

But who is the MVP level player we'll put next to Randle? How will we get this player? Is Beal MVP level? Not so sure. Lavine? Who is this player? The only available option to where we don't completely gut the roster in a trade is getting insanely lucky and getting Cade or one of the others in the draft. Obviously that would require so much luck, but, this would be easiest way for us to get significantly better fast.

Again I'm not looking to just dump Randle, but I'd do everything possible to get a high pick in this upcoming draft.

[Meat]

I for one am glad randle is breaking out, it’s so rare for players do to that in a contract season

[El Poochio]

GET RANDLE SOME HELP ASAP

[Fury]

I for one am glad randle is breaking out, it’s so rare for players do to that in a contract season

Not a contract season

[islanders11040]

So we would Trade Randle who is an all star to tank for a player who can potentially be an all-star?

Drafting an all-star player will not change the trajectory of the franchise. All-stars are a dime a dozen. Drafting and MVP player might change something, but there is usually only one MVP every 3 to 4 drafts and usually it takes 7 years for the player to get to that level.

You got to stop looking at fantasies and think about building with what we already have.

I get your point. But moving Randle now at an all-time high as far potentially getting great assets in return could be the right move. I don't believe we'll win in all with Randle in a Knicks uniform. He is a great player (this year), but I don't even see him as a #2 on a championship team. #3, I could go with that. Plus he's older than our young core. Another reason it could be good to move him if we can get into the top 5. I believe there is franchise player talent in this draft. It obviously won't be all 5 of them, but one or two could be franchise players.

If we could luck into getting into the top 5 (because we drop this year), and also trade Randle to get another spot in the top 5, that would be incredible.

Woj mentioned this but the trade market is dead. There is no realistic trade scenario we could do where we could equal value for Randle. No team that needs him has a top 5 pick to trade for him. Also Randle is 26. We can potentially have 6 or more years of him playing at a high level, he definitely fits with our core.

Also I definitely think he can be #2 if we get an MVP level player and high end role players. Kawhi won with Siakem and Lowry as his 2nd and 3rd best players and Randle is at that level now. We just need to hope IQ, RJ and Mitch develop and then we can sign our #1 in FA.

isnt woj saying the trade market is dead in terms of no one is selling? everyone is still trying to make the playoffs. so it would be a good time to trade a player, not bad.

On the other hand i wanna keep Randle.

[El Poochio]

If Randle doesnt make the All-Star game there is Knicks bias