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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#761 » by Fat » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:41 pm

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dukeknicksirish wrote:Latest Mock Draft has us selecting :

13. New York Knicks (via Dallas Mavericks): Corey Kispert (Gonzaga, SF, Senior)

There may be other prospects with higher perceived ceilings, but the Knicks need shooting badly enough to target Kispert, who's at 45.7 percent from three and 87.7 percent on free throws. Though the senior lacks on-ball creativity and defensive upside, head coach Tom Thibodeau would appreciate his general offensive efficiency and team-defense IQ.

16. New York Knicks: Jaden Springer (Tennessee, PG/SG, Freshman)

Though Springer skeptics question his athleticism and playmaking, his scoring efficiency (49.0 field-goal percentage), shooting (15-of-32 on three-pointers), passing IQ, defense and age (18) should be enough for a mid-first-round team to look past his limited transition offense and assist numbers.

32. New York Knicks (via Detroit Pistons): Charles Bassey (W. Kentucky, C, Sophomore)
Bassey is back from injury and picking up right where he left off, rebounding and blocking shots at a high level.

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Springer / Rivers
Kispert / IQ (6th man)
RJ / Knox
Randle / Obi
Mitch / Bassey

Until we sign a starting PG and SG because God knows Thibbs won't start 1 rookie, let alone 2


For one, there’s no way we draft three rookies. They will combine the picks for one guy or move the picks for a star.

That aside, these dudes would be g-league bound or best case scenario getting 9 minutes off the bench behind some vet on a 1 year deal. Don’t even entertain the idea that they will start games.


Kispert i could see easily getting minutes. he doesnt have a high upside as other guys but He's providing elite shooting off the rip, smart player, low turnovers, excellent free throw shooter, His defense isnt great but i doubt he will be a liability on that end.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#762 » by robillionaire » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:44 pm

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dukeknicksirish wrote:Latest Mock Draft has us selecting :

13. New York Knicks (via Dallas Mavericks): Corey Kispert (Gonzaga, SF, Senior)

There may be other prospects with higher perceived ceilings, but the Knicks need shooting badly enough to target Kispert, who's at 45.7 percent from three and 87.7 percent on free throws. Though the senior lacks on-ball creativity and defensive upside, head coach Tom Thibodeau would appreciate his general offensive efficiency and team-defense IQ.

16. New York Knicks: Jaden Springer (Tennessee, PG/SG, Freshman)

Though Springer skeptics question his athleticism and playmaking, his scoring efficiency (49.0 field-goal percentage), shooting (15-of-32 on three-pointers), passing IQ, defense and age (18) should be enough for a mid-first-round team to look past his limited transition offense and assist numbers.

32. New York Knicks (via Detroit Pistons): Charles Bassey (W. Kentucky, C, Sophomore)
Bassey is back from injury and picking up right where he left off, rebounding and blocking shots at a high level.

2021 New York Knicks
Springer / Rivers
Kispert / IQ (6th man)
RJ / Knox
Randle / Obi
Mitch / Bassey

Until we sign a starting PG and SG because God knows Thibbs won't start 1 rookie, let alone 2


For one, there’s no way we draft three rookies. They will combine the picks for one guy or move the picks for a star.

That aside, these dudes would be g-league bound or best case scenario getting 9 minutes off the bench behind some vet on a 1 year deal. Don’t even entertain the idea that they will start games.


Kispert i could see easily getting minutes. he doesnt have a high upside as other guys but He's providing elite shooting off the rip, smart player, low turnovers, excellent free throw shooter, His defense isnt great but i doubt he will be a liability on that end.


You sure? Thibs values defense over shooting
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#764 » by cgf » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:06 pm

It's cool to see Ayo get love; always fun when the local(-ish) team is good. If his shooting progress continues & his 3ball translates to the next level, he's a really interesting combo guard...though Butler is still my favorite junior guard; as I trust his shot to translate more & think his penetration will be more effective at the NBA level because of that.

But I may be higher on Butler, despite his t-rex arms, than most folks are.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#765 » by Fat » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:18 pm

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For one, there’s no way we draft three rookies. They will combine the picks for one guy or move the picks for a star.

That aside, these dudes would be g-league bound or best case scenario getting 9 minutes off the bench behind some vet on a 1 year deal. Don’t even entertain the idea that they will start games.


Kispert i could see easily getting minutes. he doesnt have a high upside as other guys but He's providing elite shooting off the rip, smart player, low turnovers, excellent free throw shooter, His defense isnt great but i doubt he will be a liability on that end.


You sure? Thibs values defense over shooting


Defense is thibs calling card but not everyone on the knicks is a good defender hell our best perimeter defending guard (ntilkina) doesnt even play, effort/production is just as much as valued. A guy like kyle korver who was a terrible defender still got 20 minutes under thibs and was part of rotation.

Kispert isnt moving mountains but he can be a piece you can add to the puzzle. if our intentions is to build with Randle, Mitch, Barret your going to need a guy like kispert to open up the floor one way or another. elite shooters with size that arent complete liabilities on defense is not a easy find.

we have two picks so i personally wouldnt mind kispert with one of them and a guy with more upside with the other. (especially if these picks are shaping out to be late lottery - late teens range)
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#766 » by Fat » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:40 pm



Realistically this is probably a guy in the knicks range. Im not sure where you play him though hes more of a power forward and we have Randle/Obi at that position. unless you get rid of obi
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#767 » by louisorr » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:53 pm

Watched the Texas WVa game this pst Saturday. Greg Brown had ZERO points and somehow I came away thinking I want this guy on the Knicks. I liked how he didn't hang his head while shooting poorly and being frozen out and seemed to be in the right place and active on D and saw enough of his athleticism to see what some of the buzz is about.
We really shouldn't be thinking about top 15 prospects with either pick. We definitely need more high level athletes that are 6'8", 6'9" and Brown figures to be there. Also Courtney Ramey stood out as a nice second rounder prospect.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#768 » by HEZI » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:21 pm

louisorr wrote:Watched the Texas WVa game this pst Saturday. Greg Brown had ZERO points and somehow I came away thinking I want this guy on the Knicks. I liked how he didn't hang his head while shooting poorly and being frozen out and seemed to be in the right place and active on D and saw enough of his athleticism to see what some of the buzz is about.
We really shouldn't be thinking about top 15 prospects with either pick. We definitely need more high level athletes that are 6'8", 6'9" and Brown figures to be there. Also Courtney Ramey stood out as a nice second rounder prospect.


He's intriguing for sure. There's flashes of Jerami Grant and Brandon Clarke with Brown. He would especially be worth a gamble for a team with two picks in the 1st round like the Knicks.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#769 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:58 pm

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I watched the triple double game from the other day and was sold on him if we stay in the teens. Looks like an nba athlete with nba size. Not sure if there was anything not to like about him.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#770 » by cgf » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:46 pm

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louisorr wrote:Watched the Texas WVa game this pst Saturday. Greg Brown had ZERO points and somehow I came away thinking I want this guy on the Knicks. I liked how he didn't hang his head while shooting poorly and being frozen out and seemed to be in the right place and active on D and saw enough of his athleticism to see what some of the buzz is about.
We really shouldn't be thinking about top 15 prospects with either pick. We definitely need more high level athletes that are 6'8", 6'9" and Brown figures to be there. Also Courtney Ramey stood out as a nice second rounder prospect.


He's intriguing for sure. There's flashes of Jerami Grant and Brandon Clarke with Brown. He would especially be worth a gamble for a team with two picks in the 1st round like the Knicks.

Both Greg Brown & Kai Jones fall into that BJ Boston tier for me, where the potential is clearly there and if they put it together they could be really good players...but I'm nowhere near as confident in them making good on that potential as I am Ziaire Williams or Keon Johnson eventually realizing theirs.

If both we & Dallas make the playoffs, I'd be down to spend a pick on one of those boom-or-bust projects & the other on Jared Butler...though I still expect us to fall out of the playoff spot before lottery night.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#771 » by 2010 » Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:23 pm

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dukeknicksirish wrote:Latest Mock Draft has us selecting :

13. New York Knicks (via Dallas Mavericks): Corey Kispert (Gonzaga, SF, Senior)

There may be other prospects with higher perceived ceilings, but the Knicks need shooting badly enough to target Kispert, who's at 45.7 percent from three and 87.7 percent on free throws. Though the senior lacks on-ball creativity and defensive upside, head coach Tom Thibodeau would appreciate his general offensive efficiency and team-defense IQ.

16. New York Knicks: Jaden Springer (Tennessee, PG/SG, Freshman)

Though Springer skeptics question his athleticism and playmaking, his scoring efficiency (49.0 field-goal percentage), shooting (15-of-32 on three-pointers), passing IQ, defense and age (18) should be enough for a mid-first-round team to look past his limited transition offense and assist numbers.

32. New York Knicks (via Detroit Pistons): Charles Bassey (W. Kentucky, C, Sophomore)
Bassey is back from injury and picking up right where he left off, rebounding and blocking shots at a high level.

2021 New York Knicks
Springer / Rivers
Kispert / IQ (6th man)
RJ / Knox
Randle / Obi
Mitch / Bassey

Until we sign a starting PG and SG because God knows Thibbs won't start 1 rookie, let alone 2


For one, there’s no way we draft three rookies. They will combine the picks for one guy or move the picks for a star.

That aside, these dudes would be g-league bound or best case scenario getting 9 minutes off the bench behind some vet on a 1 year deal. Don’t even entertain the idea that they will start games.


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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#772 » by Reign23 » Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:41 pm

robillionaire wrote:
dukeknicksirish wrote:Latest Mock Draft has us selecting :

13. New York Knicks (via Dallas Mavericks): Corey Kispert (Gonzaga, SF, Senior)

There may be other prospects with higher perceived ceilings, but the Knicks need shooting badly enough to target Kispert, who's at 45.7 percent from three and 87.7 percent on free throws. Though the senior lacks on-ball creativity and defensive upside, head coach Tom Thibodeau would appreciate his general offensive efficiency and team-defense IQ.

16. New York Knicks: Jaden Springer (Tennessee, PG/SG, Freshman)

Though Springer skeptics question his athleticism and playmaking, his scoring efficiency (49.0 field-goal percentage), shooting (15-of-32 on three-pointers), passing IQ, defense and age (18) should be enough for a mid-first-round team to look past his limited transition offense and assist numbers.

32. New York Knicks (via Detroit Pistons): Charles Bassey (W. Kentucky, C, Sophomore)
Bassey is back from injury and picking up right where he left off, rebounding and blocking shots at a high level.

2021 New York Knicks
Springer / Rivers
Kispert / IQ (6th man)
RJ / Knox
Randle / Obi
Mitch / Bassey

Until we sign a starting PG and SG because God knows Thibbs won't start 1 rookie, let alone 2


For one, there’s no way we draft three rookies. They will combine the picks for one guy or move the picks for a star.

That aside, these dudes would be g-league bound or best case scenario getting 9 minutes off the bench behind some vet on a 1 year deal. Don’t even entertain the idea that they will start games.

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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#773 » by 2010 » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:20 pm

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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#775 » by Fat » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:42 pm

Davion Mitchell might be the quickley of the draft, talent wise i like him over Jared butler but butler looks more pro ready. i could see Butler fitting like a glove next to Quickley just based off how comfortable he is playing off ball next to mitchell.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#776 » by Knicksfan1992 » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:06 pm

Y'all know I love the draft but I haven't really looked into it too much but if the Knicks have any sort of chance to trade up for Bouknight they need to jump all over that. Shot maker supreme.
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Post#777 » by TerrenceClarke » Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:16 am

Knicksfan1992 wrote:Y'all know I love the draft but I haven't really looked into it too much but if the Knicks have any sort of chance to trade up for Bouknight they need to jump all over that. Shot maker supreme.



One of the best shot makers I have seen coming out of college in a long time. Im not saying he is Kobe, but the difficulty level of some of the shots he takes is Kobe Level like. I been thinking about recently that he is prob the most underrated player in the draft. He is top five worthy in my opinion but is not seen as so. I really really really like his game.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#778 » by Fat » Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:46 am

Knicksfan1992 wrote:Y'all know I love the draft but I haven't really looked into it too much but if the Knicks have any sort of chance to trade up for Bouknight they need to jump all over that. Shot maker supreme.


how much youd be willing to give to move up?
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#779 » by HEZI » Sat Feb 27, 2021 5:07 pm

Angryfatboy wrote:Davion Mitchell might be the quickley of the draft, talent wise i like him over Jared butler but butler looks more pro ready. i could see Butler fitting like a glove next to Quickley just based off how comfortable he is playing off ball next to mitchell.


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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#780 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Feb 27, 2021 5:08 pm

Angryfatboy wrote:Davion Mitchell might be the quickley of the draft, talent wise i like him over Jared butler but butler looks more pro ready. i could see Butler fitting like a glove next to Quickley just based off how comfortable he is playing off ball next to mitchell.

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