2021 Playoff and Offseason Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS????

[suns12345]

Wish it was the other way around for some reason. Want Booker to get his recognition

[suns12345]

AD worse in every counting stat besides rebounding to Book, and Gobert has the same stats as Ayton besides an extra block and a half a game....

[Qwigglez]

My hope is the Pelicans waive or buyout Steven Adams and we could nab him. Having Adams for a few months to practice would be huge for the development of Ayton. Would be the best insurance policy as well, but I'm not sure if he is okay playing very limited minutes since he's also only 27 years old still.

Javale McGee would likely be the best candidate and would accept such a limited backup center role. I don't think he's as much of a headcase as he once was. I'd also take Dragan Bender with the roster we have now and see if he can develop into a better version of Frank Kaminsky.

[TouchPassDario]

I’m hoping to pull in George Hill. Would love to have his experience if Payne gets a little shook under the lights.

[GetYourPHX]

If there's a real opportunity for the Suns to acquire John Collins for Smith + picks the Suns need to do it. He's a perfect fit. Give him his max and figure out the rest of the money later. That roster would legitimately contend for the next two years.

[Slim Charless]

Would love PJ back but the guy is playing decent rotation minutes and I'm not sure we can get him that on the Suns. Any addition, unless they are elite players, will have to understand that they may not play the minutes they are accustomed to.

At least not right away, BUT if a guy like say Boogie shows that he can still recapture something like his old self....I'm all for him playing solid minutes.

Mentioned in a previous post but he's too much of a risk from a chemistry and personality standpoint to add to this team. Unlike the Warriors when they took a punt on Boogie, they've already won multiple titles, their core guys have been together for close to a decade and they have a system they've played and won under for half a decade at that point. That's a low risk, high reward pick up for them.

It's a different situation for us. Our core group of rotation players have only been together since this season and arguably the chemistry has only been build up a couple of weeks ago, it's just far too risky to add a guy like Boogie to the team.

Yup. Just let our guys play out the season as is. In the off-season we can make moves if there are moves to be made. King4day mentioned just signing some vet to sit on the bench and offer support. That'd fine if it was someone who's won some titles before. Ironically, a Tyson Chandler signing would work now if we got him for vet min and he was the version we had b4 things got salty here. That won't happen but still.

[Qwigglez]

If there's a real opportunity for the Suns to acquire John Collins for Smith + picks the Suns need to do it. He's a perfect fit. Give him his max and figure out the rest of the money later. That roster would legitimately contend for the next two years.

The problem is he likely wants a max contract and will be a RFA this off-season. Someone is going to give him the max since he's only 23 years old, and Sarver isn't likely to max Collins with the looming free agency period for our two guys in Bridges and Ayton. We are legitimately contending the next two years anyway.

[King4Day]

AD worse in every counting stat besides rebounding to Book, and Gobert has the same stats as Ayton besides an extra block and a half a game....

I don't mind Utah getting 2. They have the best record in the league by 3.5 games.
Just have to hope they get Book in as a replacement.

[King4Day]

My hope is the Pelicans waive or buyout Steven Adams and we could nab him. Having Adams for a few months to practice would be huge for the development of Ayton. Would be the best insurance policy as well, but I'm not sure if he is okay playing very limited minutes since he's also only 27 years old still.

Javale McGee would likely be the best candidate and would accept such a limited backup center role. I don't think he's as much of a headcase as he once was. I'd also take Dragan Bender with the roster we have now and see if he can develop into a better version of Frank Kaminsky.

Pels extended Stevens to big money this past offseason and gave up a first (I think) to get him. I don't expect him to be bought out right now

[Qwigglez]

My hope is the Pelicans waive or buyout Steven Adams and we could nab him. Having Adams for a few months to practice would be huge for the development of Ayton. Would be the best insurance policy as well, but I'm not sure if he is okay playing very limited minutes since he's also only 27 years old still.

Javale McGee would likely be the best candidate and would accept such a limited backup center role. I don't think he's as much of a headcase as he once was. I'd also take Dragan Bender with the roster we have now and see if he can develop into a better version of Frank Kaminsky.

Pels extended Stevens to big money this past offseason and gave up a first (I think) to get him. I don't expect him to be bought out right now

Oh damn, I was on ESPN trade machine and saw that he had zero years remaining on his contract. They need to update their stuff more often. Thanks for pointing that out.

[JDJ26]

Just a question.....look, i know we all love Book and all, but would this be an offer too good to refuse?

Booker to MIN for Edwards/Rubio and the #1 pick in the draft if they land it (Cade Cunningham).

Rubio backs up CP3 for a year (And then expires), Cade plays a season at SG/PG (Like Booker somewhat does) and learns under CP3. Edwards continues to improve. Cunningham/Edwards/Bridges/Johnson/Ayton as a starting 5 in 2 seasons and coming in way less than the salary cap.

Not saying that the Wolves would even consider it, or that we would, just wondering how they plan on fixing the Wolves and get a player that fits their timeline. We all know that as long as the Wolves have DLO/KAT, there will always be that connection there, so just throwing out this hypothetical.

[Fo-Real]

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Nader with his style of play, abilities, one year left on a small contract and the fact that he is buried on our bench kinda makes him a possible trade target to add in a deal. If Pj was bought out, would you trade Nader for a pick and scoop up PJ?!?!

[Fo-Real]

Deleted.... already answered.

[GetYourPHX]

If there's a real opportunity for the Suns to acquire John Collins for Smith + picks the Suns need to do it. He's a perfect fit. Give him his max and figure out the rest of the money later. That roster would legitimately contend for the next two years.

The problem is he likely wants a max contract and will be a RFA this off-season. Someone is going to give him the max since he's only 23 years old, and Sarver isn't likely to max Collins with the looming free agency period for our two guys in Bridges and Ayton. We are legitimately contending the next two years anyway.

Sarver needs to pay all those guys and bring a championship team to Phoenix for once. This city just gave him 150 million for his new stadium, let's see him open his pocketbook in return.

[Barkley6]

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Nader with his style of play, abilities, one year left on a small contract and the fact that he is buried on our bench kinda makes him a possible trade target to add in a deal. If Pj was bought out, would you trade Nader for a pick and scoop up PJ?!?!

I don't think anyone is surrendering a pick for a half season rental of Nader. Maybe if it's needed to facilitate a 3 team deal or something, but unlikely otherwise.

[irish22022]

Do you move Saric + Crowder and our 2021 1st for draymond? I know we love those guys but draymond in our starting lineup is a team that can beat anybody in the league.

And that's coming from someone who doesn't even like draymond that much, but c'mon, look at our defensive unit...

Not a chance in hell. I honestly don't think our defense improves dramatically, I mean it's already pretty good now. But our offense is going to absolutely tank. Without Crowder and Saric, we lose shooting, we lose scoring, we lose real depth and we also lose two great locker room guys.

Draymond is averaging FIVE points per game....FIVE. And that's only absolutely abysmal efficiency.

AND that's without even comparing the very cap friendly deals both Saric and Crowder are on (both on $9-10m a year for 3yrs) whereas Draymond is on a relatively mammoth $25m a year until he's in his mid-30's.

Wow. 5 ppg on <40% eFG%... I didnt realise that. No matter how good of a defender or passer (and he has regressed there) you are, you can't be getting paid $25m+ a year and be doing that.

I'd rather have Wiggins, which is saying something.

I definitely did NOT know he was averaging only 5! I do love crowder and saric, a lot, and I love their contracts. But we can't hope that frank the tank keeps working for us at the 4. And we weren't doing well with cam or crowder. When I ask myself how much of an upgrade is dray over frank? It's a lot. Or at least the dray I remember. But losing a couple bench boosters (even if crowder is a bit of a chucker sometimes) is prob not worth it.

I don't really see anything we can reasonably upgrade at this point. But I have a feeling a vet big will sign with us for a playoff run.

[TouchPassDario]

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Nader with his style of play, abilities, one year left on a small contract and the fact that he is buried on our bench kinda makes him a possible trade target to add in a deal. If Pj was bought out, would you trade Nader for a pick and scoop up PJ?!?!

Nader is good wing insurance if one of Bridges, Cam, or Jae get hurt. I would prefer to hang on to him.

[TouchPassDario]

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Nader with his style of play, abilities, one year left on a small contract and the fact that he is buried on our bench kinda makes him a possible trade target to add in a deal. If Pj was bought out, would you trade Nader for a pick and scoop up PJ?!?!

I don't think anyone is surrendering a pick for a half season rental of Nader. Maybe if it's needed to facilitate a 3 team deal or something, but unlikely otherwise.

You read that wrong. He was saying Nader + pick for PJ. I would not trade any draft capital (except a heavily protected 2nd) for a PJ rental.

[TouchPassDario]

If there's a real opportunity for the Suns to acquire John Collins for Smith + picks the Suns need to do it. He's a perfect fit. Give him his max and figure out the rest of the money later. That roster would legitimately contend for the next two years.

The problem is he likely wants a max contract and will be a RFA this off-season. Someone is going to give him the max since he's only 23 years old, and Sarver isn't likely to max Collins with the looming free agency period for our two guys in Bridges and Ayton. We are legitimately contending the next two years anyway.

Sarver needs to pay all those guys and bring a championship team to Phoenix for once. This city just gave him 150 million for his new stadium, let's see him open his pocketbook in return.

Sarver spent 9figs of his own money to put in luxury renos and the practice facility.

More to the point, the NBA is a cap league, and nobody serious about winning in a cap league is paying John Collins 1/3 of the cap.

[TouchPassDario]

Not a chance in hell. I honestly don't think our defense improves dramatically, I mean it's already pretty good now. But our offense is going to absolutely tank. Without Crowder and Saric, we lose shooting, we lose scoring, we lose real depth and we also lose two great locker room guys.

Draymond is averaging FIVE points per game....FIVE. And that's only absolutely abysmal efficiency.

AND that's without even comparing the very cap friendly deals both Saric and Crowder are on (both on $9-10m a year for 3yrs) whereas Draymond is on a relatively mammoth $25m a year until he's in his mid-30's.

Wow. 5 ppg on <40% eFG%... I didnt realise that. No matter how good of a defender or passer (and he has regressed there) you are, you can't be getting paid $25m+ a year and be doing that.

I'd rather have Wiggins, which is saying something.

I definitely did NOT know he was averaging only 5! I do love crowder and saric, a lot, and I love their contracts. But we can't hope that frank the tank keeps working for us at the 4. And we weren't doing well with cam or crowder. When I ask myself how much of an upgrade is dray over frank? It's a lot. Or at least the dray I remember. But losing a couple bench boosters (even if crowder is a bit of a chucker sometimes) is prob not worth it.

I don't really see anything we can reasonably upgrade at this point. But I have a feeling a vet big will sign with us for a playoff run.

Frank is a testament to fit over talent. There are tons of more talented players ON OUR OWN TEAM, that could start for him, but he appears to fit really well with elite playmakers and DA/Mikal. If he stops making threes then he loses a lot of value, but his shooting gravity is helpful. His defense is not atrocious this year either.