WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1

[tarantism]

If you don't think Wiseman alters shots just by being there, I question which team you've been watching. I'm not going to get into the whole thing again, but a seven footers who can jump means a lot of drives start and then are broken off when Wiseman (or anyone his size and reach) is playing low. I've watched it. You've watched it. It does make a difference.

I didn’t say he hasn’t, I said he prolly isn’t a net positive on D yet statistically. There could be tons of unalarming reasons for that not the least of which, he’s a 19 year old rookie. I was just trying to shift the criteria for evaluating what he is doing away from shot blocks (which is kind of dumb) to something more meaningful.

The ability to terminate opposing possessions is not accurately represented in the box score counting stats. Lots of blocks don’t actually result in a possession change anyway.

Opp FG% on/off is what will tell us the results of how a players defensive inputs contribute to the end results but I’m sure there are more meaningful metrics for how we get to that result than blocked shots.

Does watching basketball games count as meaningful metric? Lol

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[Sleepy51]

If you don't think Wiseman alters shots just by being there, I question which team you've been watching. I'm not going to get into the whole thing again, but a seven footers who can jump means a lot of drives start and then are broken off when Wiseman (or anyone his size and reach) is playing low. I've watched it. You've watched it. It does make a difference.

I didn’t say he hasn’t, I said he prolly isn’t a net positive on D yet statistically. There could be tons of unalarming reasons for that not the least of which, he’s a 19 year old rookie. I was just trying to shift the criteria for evaluating what he is doing away from shot blocks (which is kind of dumb) to something more meaningful.

The ability to terminate opposing possessions is not accurately represented in the box score counting stats. Lots of blocks don’t actually result in a possession change anyway.

Opp FG% on/off is what will tell us the results of how a players defensive inputs contribute to the end results but I’m sure there are more meaningful metrics for how we get to that result than blocked shots.

Does watching basketball games count as meaningful metric? Lol

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That depends entirely on who is doing the watching.


If I were watching a game with Jerry West, or Hubie Brown, or my high school coach then yeah, I’m going to take their observations as meaningful. But anonymous internet fan telling me Oubre is a better player than JTA? They better bring receipts.

[tarantism]

I didn’t say he hasn’t, I said he prolly isn’t a net positive on D yet statistically. There could be tons of unalarming reasons for that not the least of which, he’s a 19 year old rookie. I was just trying to shift the criteria for evaluating what he is doing away from shot blocks (which is kind of dumb) to something more meaningful.

The ability to terminate opposing possessions is not accurately represented in the box score counting stats. Lots of blocks don’t actually result in a possession change anyway.

Opp FG% on/off is what will tell us the results of how a players defensive inputs contribute to the end results but I’m sure there are more meaningful metrics for how we get to that result than blocked shots.

Does watching basketball games count as meaningful metric? Lol

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That depends entirely on who is doing the watching.


If I were watching a game with Jerry West, or Hubie Brown, or my high school coach then yeah, I’m going to take their observations as meaningful. But anonymous internet fan telling me Oubre is a better player than JTA? They better bring receipts.

Fair

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[Mylie10]

I would say that Juan has a better understanding of the complete game of basketball than Oubre does.

Both athletic. Oubre with an obscene 7’3” wingspan. But Juan has had to scratch and claw his whole way through. He’s around 28 years old I believe, so he’s been around and has played around the World.

One of the best run downs I’ve heard on Juan was from Jeff Van Gundy, who faced him coaching with team USA against Mexico. He said Juan wreaked havoc on the USA team when they played. He really gained respect for him, and raved about how hard and smart he played.

[KevinMcreynolds]

wtf is going on with JW? A sprained wrist doesn't need this much rest. Man up, let's **** go.

[Quazza]

"likely to return" tonight

[FNQ]

"likely to return" tonight

Let the developmevalution continue!

[shazam_guy]

wtf is going on with JW? A sprained wrist doesn't need this much rest. Man up, let's **** go.

My guess is it has a lot more to do with the Ws medical staff and coaches being careful with a young player than anybody failing to "man up".

But we're all guessing. I just tend to come down on the side of "not looking for conspiracies unless they're too obvious to ignore" and "not blaming the players until I know more".

[FNQ]

wtf is going on with JW? A sprained wrist doesn't need this much rest. Man up, let's **** go.

My guess is it has a lot more to do with the Ws medical staff and coaches being careful with a young player than anybody failing to "man up".

But we're all guessing. I just tend to come down on the side of "not looking for conspiracies unless they're too obvious to ignore" and "not blaming the players until I know more".

Not to mention, there's no one size fits all timeline for wrist sprains. And since it was on JW's shooting hand, and considering he's a bit behind developmentally from peers his own age, there's no reason to rush him back before he's 100%. I told yall the minute he fell, he'll finish the game but he's gonna be out for a while after

[Mylie10]

Yeah you don’t mess around with shooting hand wrists.

Any wrist hit shooting hand is so delicate. I cringe everytime Steph hits the floor with his hands lol

[KevinMcreynolds]

The problem is they wait till someone is literally 100% these days. Nobody plays through injuries anymore. Meanwhile, we're losing to scrub teams like Orlando and Charlotte and back into play-in game territory.

[wco81]

They were at least playing no worse without JW.

That is why they're not in a hurry.

I don't know if he's been able to do any drills recently. Would be unfortunate if he hasn't been able to do anything.

[Sleepy51]

They were at least playing no worse without JW.

That is why they're not in a hurry.

I don't know if he's been able to do any drills recently. Would be unfortunate if he hasn't been able to do anything.

They said he practiced yesterday and would play based on how he felt this morning after practicing and again based on how he looked and felt after warmups tonight assuming he felt well enough to warm up

[FNQ]

The problem is they wait till someone is literally 100% these days. Nobody plays through injuries anymore. Meanwhile, we're losing to scrub teams like Orlando and Charlotte and back into play-in game territory.

If they cared about playoffs/playoff seeding, the rotation would be different

Everything done this year is with the intent of striking in 2022.. as it should be. Making the playoffs should mean very little to this franchise. Titles are whats important

Forcing a very green rookie to learn while injured is not a good combo

[MintFresh]

Good to see Wiseman make that dunk playing off ball on that last possession in the third quarter. No call on him getting fouled though when he got clearly shoved

[shazam_guy]

Rookie tax. It's ugly and it's real.

In Other News: Yeah, Kevin McReynolds (you a San Diego guy or one of McReynolds' other stops?) is worried about this year. That's okay. I'm totally into next year while still enjoying this year as a theme ride and don't care much about how it turns out officially. (That might change if they made the playoffs and then went fire.) That's okay too.

I'm glad we all had this talk.

[tarantism]

Wiseman looked as good as we could have realistically hoped tonight in his first game back. Tomorrow should be a fun test for him, though Dray will likely get most of the Sabonis reps, I'd expect.

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[tarantism]

Edit: Go Warriors

[Impuniti]

The problem is they wait till someone is literally 100% these days. Nobody plays through injuries anymore. Meanwhile, we're losing to scrub teams like Orlando and Charlotte and back into play-in game territory.

If they cared about playoffs/playoff seeding, the rotation would be different

Everything done this year is with the intent of striking in 2022.. as it should be. Making the playoffs should mean very little to this franchise. Titles are whats important

Forcing a very green rookie to learn while injured is not a good combo

You want this team in the playoffs though, experience to play together. Can't say it's ok now and then excuse them over a year later when the team fails because.. they didn't have enough experience outside of the main guys there. I'm not saying you would say that, but it'll be in the backpocket to be used by many as an excuse including the organization.

[wco81]

What kind of a playoffs experience though?

If they get crushed in the first round, is it worth losing their FRP?